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Bush Used Illicit Drugs? Surprise, Surprise

Bush Used Illicit Drugs? Surprise, Surprise

Who Ya Gonna Believe? GWB Or Them Lyin Ears Of Yours?

if former friend doug wead had taped george w. bush stopping short of candidly admitting he never used drugs, it would be a much bigger story.  no matter how straightforward and morally valued his supporters may believe him to be, if they wouldn't happily sell the family cow for some magic beans, they either have enough magic beans already or they simply aren't that naive.
  
it's not that he exhibits any of the so-called telltale stoner symptoms, although his public speaking style does seem  to have been more influenced by tommy chongs  'dave's not here' oration than any other model of elocution (ironicaly, tommy has only 5 months to go before he's off probation--not for smoking dope but for  “glamorizing the illegal distribution and use of marijuana”  in such a way as to  “trivialize law-enforcement efforts to combat drug trafficking and use.”  according to the john ashcroft proxy who prosecuted chong). 
 
just so yall don't get the wrong idea here, i not only have no problem with the future president's previous drug use--whether or not he just smoked some pot or used cocaine  (his vehement insistence to wead that he hasn't denied doing blow leads me to believe he did).  if anything, i'm convinced he quit using dope too soon for anyones benefit, especially his own. 
 
although this may eventually change, since the story broke, sympathy seems to be  the most prevalent  reaction to the whole sordid story of bush's betrayal by doug wead (the religious right's answer to dr phil).  totally undeserved sympathy, too, in my opinion.  not because i don't think it was a rotten thing for wead to have done, but because if you're gonna surround yourself with snakes, you don't deserve a lotta consolation when you wind up snakebit.  
 
despite his no longer being with us, goldwater's innate wisdom continues to shine on in his absence.  when good ol doug wead ran for congress in 1992--loudly proclaiming himself one of barry's heirs-- goldwater not only refused to support him, but actually endorsed wead's democrat opponent. 
 
(karl rove is another one, but that's no big secret).

anyway the really deplorable thing about all this--once again in my opinion--is how badly moral values have been devalued by those who attribute them to themselves while lying into the camera--in collusion with those who accept those lies at face value.  shining it on by claiming to expect lies from politicians leads to a place where antispyware software developers intentionally permit some scumware to thrive on your computer, gay escort entrepreneurs impersonate journalists as well as females and someone in the whitehouse feels comfortable in committing treason by publicly outing a cia agent, betting on the public's refusal to say shit while gulping it down.

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Reply #26 Top
..And we have women who went on tape saying that Clinton had raped them. I somehow doubt Kingbee was very concerned about that


even the darkest cloud is lined, however sparingly, with silver. one of the best proofs of that cliche is kenneth starr. if there was anything close to flammable amidst all the smoke of those accusations, i'm sure ken woulda come bounding outta the starr chamber waving indictments.

i have six sisters, two of whom have been raped and i'm close to a half-dozen women who are victims of rapists. if there's something you feel credible which starr somehow managed to miss, whip it on me. i've no investment in clinton that blinds me to his faults--and no reason whatsoever to ignore a crime of that magnitude...but i've yet to see an allegation that clinton engaged in anything but mutual seduction.

in any event, wead's tape doesnt contain anyone other than bush suggesting he himself has been less than forthright about his own drug use.
Reply #27 Top
I omitted the word "not" in post #19. I DO NOT hate Bush! As I have said many times before, the problem is the results are just as I have said in #19. He is not resolving our problems at home or abroad.
Reply #28 Top
Something tells me that Bush smoking weed in the past and not being proud of it, in fact, going so far as not to comment on it so he won't influence children into drugs shows some true care. Meanwhile, Kerry, who was loved by the people who actually care what Bush smoked decades ago, committed atrocities in Vietnam, and embraced his past, and he won their support for it.
So, in other words, smoke pot, turn a new leaf, and not talk about your past lest you influence children: EVIL!
Kill Vietnamese people and do things you aren't supposed to do, and speak of that time as honorable: MORAL!
Unless the left is saying that they aren't moral either, in which case, they should take their plank out of their eye before they worry about our splinter.
Reply #29 Top
What took place 35 years ago is not the most important issue. What is moral about cutting help for the poor to heat their homes and pay for their health care? What is moral about cutting funding to our Vets for the prescription drugs? What is right about driving this country into debt so our children are forced to pay for our excesses?

Bush should read his Bible about what Christ had to say about helping the poor and how hard it was for a rich man to receive eternal life. Morality is a lot more than Gays and abortion!
Reply #30 Top
Like most of us didn't at least try smoking weed in our youth.

I don't see this as a big issue. The one thing i took from these tapes is that dubya is human. He was adamant about kids not following in his footsteps (without actually admitting to firing up the fattie).

I think it's the most human thing he has said in a long time.

Hey Buu? the election was in november...You can put the Kerry stick away.
Reply #31 Top
The election is over but the issues facing us are NOT. Social Security, Job creation, the deficit, tax cuts, trade deficit, Iraq etc are all front and center and will be the subject of Congressional action. We need different solutions because the Bush policies have not resolved any of these issues! In fact, most have gotten worse during the past four years.
Reply #32 Top
The election is over but the issues facing us are NOT. Social Security, Job creation, the deficit, tax cuts, trade deficit, Iraq etc are all front and center and will be the subject of Congressional action. We need different solutions because the Bush policies have not resolved any of these issues! In fact, most have gotten worse during the past four years.


You guys are just so wrong about everything. Ever since I have been following elections all I have heard from democrats is how bad the Social Security system is. I have seen the mail they send to elderly people about how their benefits are going to stop because the system is is such bad shape. Now all of a sudden they claim the Social Security system isn't that bad, and we need to just keep it the same. The only reason is because Bush is taking action. It seems that democrats hate the thought of a person actually managing some of their own money.

The whole "job creation" issue is one you guys still don't get either. Unemployment is low in this country. It's interesting that when Clinton was President a 5.5% unemployment raised was praised in the media as being "record low", but when it was 5.4% under Bush, we were "headed for a depression". The rhetoric and distortions you guys use is really pathetic.

Until you guys realize that you are on wrong track you will never win elections. The solutions Bush has done over the years have worked. Nothing is perfect, but it's better than any democrat can come up with.
Reply #33 Top
#19 by COL Gene
Thursday, February 24, 2005


do hate Bush


How can you hate someone you don't know? I can see you hating his politics or policies, but to claim to hate the MAN shows the level of your ignorance in general.
Reply #34 Top
Look at #27

I forgot the word "NOT"
Unlike Bush, I can admit when I make an error.

Unemployment is low because many workers that have been out of work for so long are not being counted. The unemployment rate in Dec 2000 was 3.9% Job growth was reported today as very week. We have far more new workers because on population growth than new jobs. Many of the jobs that have been created are by small business and they are part time and with few if any benefits. 46 Million workers (outside the retired) have NO healthcare Ins.

We see increased profits and increases in productivity not in the creation of jobs that enable a worker to support themselves and their families.

The savings rate is at an all time low.
Personal Debt (as well as federal debt) at an all time high.
Reply #35 Top
I didn't really gain any further insight on Bush's principles. I mean so he smoked weed, big deal who hasn't, so he may have tried coke, we already suspected that. The only thing that I gained was a confirmation for his willigness to forget himself in order to bend towards the will of special interests like the religious right. He clearly doesn't really care about whether homosexuals marry which is more than likely why he hasn't even brought up the amendment he proposed. But even bowing down to special interests is commonplace now adays in politics. So again no further insight.
Reply #36 Top
I agree with you for the most part Gene, but i think the real issue here is wether it's a bad thing that he hasn't copped to doing illegal drugs, when all signs point to the fact he most likely has.

I still disapprove of him. I just think that for once, he said something i liked. Even the devil gets his due.
Reply #37 Top
Hey Buu? the election was in november...You can put the Kerry stick away.


Yes. It's definitely a dead horse, but I'm sure the other dead horse wanted company.
Reply #38 Top
Messybuu

Look at #31. That is the important point.
Reply #39 Top
Look at #31. That is the important point.


Isn't this about Bush's illicit drug use though?
Reply #40 Top
That is what the Blog started about. Replies got into other things. The shame is that Bush can never admits when he has made an error. He just changes the reason why he is correct. This time it to protect the children from knowing that the President of U.S. was a drug user. Guess what- they all know it. What they do not see is the President admitting to his past mistakes!
Reply #41 Top
That is what the Blog started about. Replies got into other things. The shame is that Bush can never admits when he has made an error. He just changes the reason why he is correct. This time it to protect the children from knowing that the President of U.S. was a drug user. Guess what- they all know it. What they do not see is the President admitting to his past mistakes!


He is admitting them. He's just not publicizing them for the sake of the children, who might then think there's nothing wrong with doing drugs. Why do you think that he wasn't being sincere? It's not as if he knew he was being recorded when he told his "friend" that.
Reply #42 Top
How about a public "come clean and admit he was wrong" and tell the youth not to make the mistakes he made. When the fact became public that he had two DWI's, his mother said, "It was not a big thing". The only reason it was not a, "BIG Thing" is was because George did not kill anyone while he was driving drunk. Had he pulled a Ted Kennedy, he would not be President!
Reply #43 Top
One reason I voted for the man the first time around was because he never denied using them. My friends all did drugs, granted I didnt participate, but it was all around me. While in college the majority of my friends messed around with all kinds of drugs.

So do you label him a bad role model or someone who can understand an average Saturday night in suburbia? If he was still doing them well into his 40s and 50s then I would tend to go for 'bad role model' but like most of the people I knew that dabbled with drugs, he got over it.
Reply #44 Top
How about a public "come clean and admit he was wrong" and tell the youth not to make the mistakes he made.


Perhaps he thinks it'll do more damage than good.
Reply #45 Top
Perhaps he thinks it'll do more damage than good.


it is funny to see someone who professes to hate hypocrisy above all other failings earnestly defending such a hypocritical justification for indulging in blatant hypocrisy.

for the third time, if there was proof bush never touched drugs THAT would have been newsworthy because st this late date. even bush's most devoted admirers--no matter how much they wished and hoped he hadnt--must surely have had serious doubts no matter how fiercely they defended him to others.

by the same token, those who'd volunteer to have a tonguectomy before publicly admitting clinton was lying about monica suckin him off in the oval office knew what was really up in their heart of hearts.

did it do more damage for clinton to come clean (i simply cant resist a bad pun hahahaha)?

refusing to answer a direct question is evasion and evasion is dishonest. simple as that.
Reply #46 Top
I don't know if doing something BEFORE you assume the office and doing something WHILE you are in office are the same thing. Bubba getting a hummer in the Oval office in my opinion is far worse than dubya burning a fattie now and again when he was young.

Holy s**t! I just gave dubya a compliment and dissed Bubba!
Reply #47 Top
doing something BEFORE you assume the office and doing something WHILE you are in office are the same thing


realize im not faulting bush for doing drugs (in or outta office...remember the reason they dopetest race horses is cuz drugs give them an extra advantage). the issue here is his protracted (and very transparent) refusal to be honest about this and, i believe, a lotta other stuff.

while his concern about scandalizing the nation's children may sound admirable on the surface, i'm much less worried bout kids emulating his past behavior than i am them replicating his dishonesty
Reply #48 Top
The issue is not what he did 35 years ago but his refusal to admit it TODAY!
Reply #49 Top
My surprise is how more than half the voters in America do not understand this!


WE understand plenty! Unlike *you* we do not take it personally. You on the otherhand seem to take it *very* personally.
Reply #50 Top
it is funny to see someone who professes to hate hypocrisy above all other failings earnestly defending such a hypocritical justification for indulging in blatant hypocrisy.


It would be hypocritical if Bush said he had never used drugs, but he's not. He's not saying anything. How is silence in the interest of children hypocritical?

refusing to answer a direct question is evasion and evasion is dishonest. simple as that.


No, lying is dishonest. Saying nothing is not.