The ethics of blogging.

I've been blogging for almost a year now, and during that time I've seen some questionable stories told in order to demonstrate the writers point. 

Stories that are passed off as being factual, but have such big holes and discrepancies in them that it becomes obvious to most readers that it can only be fiction.  Wild accusations are made against all kinds of people and agencies...accusations that, with a little research, are proven to be untrue, yet the writer still claims that they are the 'truth', that this really happened to them despite all the hard evidence to the contrary.

To me, it's perfectly fine to create a scenario to demonstrate your point, as long as you state that it's fiction.  Trying to pass off a fictional piece as fact (even when the writer has been found out in a lie) only serves to undermine the author's credibility.  Tell a lie once about something, and I'm not likely to believe a word you say subsequently.

I want to know what you think, JU.  Is it ethically okay to make up a story and not label it as such?  Is it okay to write fiction and tell everyone that it's fact?  Given that this site is syndicated and is easily accessible to the public, is it ethical to make up events and publish them as the 'truth'?

What are your blogging ethics? 

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I think as people we should always try to be as honest as possible. And while there is nothing wrong with a fictional story, to illustrate a point or just entertain, it should be stated as such to prevent confusion. I think it's not so much about blogging as about anything, lying is bad...
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The way I look at it is as follows:

1) Given an audience, people will say whatever is on their mind
2) Most thoughts and daily occurances people have are boring as hell
3) People want their stories to be interesting and engaging... they want responses and feedback

Combine the three, and you have a perfect recepie for fiction. Now, remember that most fiction is also based somewhat in truth. Most people start out intending to just recite how their day went, but as they write it out, they on some level realize how boring it is. Once they realize that, they start to edit, to add, to modify events and facts to better fall in line with whatever exciting climax they really wish had happened.

In the end, blogging isn't journalism (no matter what people like to think), it's not academic work, it's not a piece of business writing. People blog largely to entertain themselves and have people read what they write. It is a form of self expression that wants an audience. It's all about attention gathered. It's always best to view blogs as such. If you put too much weight in what someone write in an article, you're setting yourself up for trouble down the line. (see: recent bouts of drama on JU)

A blog is someone's personal stage. They can lecture, they can rant, they can rave, they can bare their souls... whatever. There are no rules on posting, no real ethics to speak of. The writer is free to use whatever methods they like to make whatever point they wish. The trick is to filter out the bloggers who do not blog according to your desired rules, and simply not read the articles.
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I assume that all threads (especially the political ones) are ficion...unless I reall know the writer through previous blogs. Much of what we see is nothing more than attention seeking drama... I wont give examples because that always lead to denials and rants...
BUT... it's hard to take anyone (or most) really serious as a result of the others.
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while there is nothing wrong with a fictional story, to illustrate a point or just entertain, it should be stated as such to prevent confusion. I think it's not so much about blogging as about anything, lying is bad...

Exactly.  The articles I was thinking of when i wrote this included things that were so outrageous that it was blatantly obvious they were untrue, yet the author's said nothing about them being fictional; rather they gave the impression that they were actual events, not a story based on actual events.

In the end, blogging isn't journalism (no matter what people like to think), it's not academic work, it's not a piece of business writing.

Technically it's not, no.  But, given the recent Dan Rather and CBS memo incident, it's getting harder and harder to deny the impact that blogging can have.  Also, when you consider that this site is syndicated to one of the most popular search engines on the internet....I just don't think it advisable to tell lies and try to pass them off as fact, especially when you're making allegations about particular individuals and government agencies - allegations that, with a little research, can be proven to be untrue.  I don't know that the TOS says about such things, I'd have to go look it up...

Much of what we see is nothing more than attention seeking drama... I wont give examples because that always lead to denials and rants...

Ahhh...you get it.  That makes me happy...!

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I'm new to blogging, and have made errors for sure, I wouldn't write fiction and label it as factual though!
I do leave out names, as I believe that to use names would be an invasion of privacy.
I don't use profanity, and can't abide material that's obscene. Perhaps what's obscene is in the eye of the reader.......
I don't try to force my beliefs onto others, and am not up for debating issues. Just a personal choice.
Trudy
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Technically it's not, no. But, given the recent Dan Rather and CBS memo incident, it's getting harder and harder to deny the impact that blogging can have. Also, when you consider that this site is syndicated to one of the most popular search engines on the internet....I just don't think it advisable to tell lies and try to pass them off as fact, especially when you're making allegations about particular individuals and government agencies - allegations that, with a little research, can be proven to be untrue. I don't know that the TOS says about such things, I'd have to go look it up...


While blogging got a lot of attention in this election, just because a few sites caught some of the spotlight, doesn't mean the rest of us have to change our tune. True blogging is becoming a victim of its own popularity, but I for one plan to hold out as long as possible. Your blog is your personal soapbox. Short of violating laws or site terms of service, you should be completely free to write whatever and however you like. The people who lie frequently will eventually be exposed and they'll lose their readership completely anyway. It's a self-correcting system for the most part.

I honestly think it has less to do with ethics and more to do with common sense. People who pause to think about what they're writing will tend to avoid some of the more extreme fabrications.

As a side note... there are certain users here that I love reading because of their complete off-the-wall rants and "facts" There are times where the lunatic ramblings are far more entertaining and worth reading than the well thought-out, properly referenced and punctuated articles
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There are times where the lunatic ramblings are far more entertaining and worth reading than the well thought-out, properly referenced and punctuated articles


Actually it's one such article that inspired this.  The story behind it is so...delusional it's almost comical!

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Great job, dharma! It's great having a sleuth to expose the lies on this site and help maintain its integrity!

I want to know what you think, JU.  Is it ethically okay to make up a story and not label it as such?  Is it okay to write fiction and tell everyone that it's fact?  Given that this site is syndicated and is easily accessible to the public, is it ethical to make up events and publish them as the 'truth'?


It depends on the intent. If it's to garner sympathy or support a real belief, than no. If it's just for entertainment purposes, then I see nothing wrong with making a story up, even if it isn't obviously fictional.
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Personally, I am an honest person and I expect the same from others. To post lies as fact is wrong, even if it for "entertainment value".
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Lying is just wrong period. The lying is one of the reasons why I don't read the political threads at all. However, people will want to believe what they want, regardless if it's proven been untrue. They don't want holes poked in their belief system because they believe in it so firmly.

For my articles, I try to find credible sources when attributing quotes and look to see if it's been reported on the wires to confirm it. Instead making up a story, what I will do is make a series of what if questions to get my point if it's serious issue. I like questions because at least it will maybe get people to think differently,. But that's just me

Blogs bring privacy and libel issues to mind. If I do talk about someone in my blog, I keep it vague and don't name the person at all. I would hate to google myself and find someone who wrote "(Dusk411's real name) is a stupid, ugly person who did this and this to me." It would a) creep me out, 2) make me curious as to wrote it, and 3) send an e-mail to that person asking them to take my name out of the article.

If a person is a writing a story for fictional purposes and not trying to pass it as something which really happened. That's fine. Personally, I would love to see more writers interested in short fiction write blogs.

Great blog, Dharma!
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While blogging isn't journalism, there is a fine line between satire and deception. I can think of some good examples of satire on joeuser, but while many here would be inclined to disagree, I will let sleeping dogs lie. I have, however, seen some deceptions that have had no other end than to manipulate and hurt others, and when the person was caught, they passed it off as satire or fiction. That is, in my not so humble opinion, poor form.
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It depends on the intent. If it's to garner sympathy or support a real belief, than no.


And ther articles I had in mind when I wrote this were doing just that, garnering sympathy with what I honestly believe are manipulations of the truth and outright fabrications.


If a person is a writing a story for fictional purposes and not trying to pass it as something which really happened. That's fine.


Yes, absolutely, that's fine.  It it's a fable-esque type of article, I have no issue with that.  It's the people who fabricate scenarios in order to draw attention to their cause that really piss me off. 


 

While blogging isn't journalism, there is a fine line between satire and deception


Yes, there is.  Satire is fine, it's a form of humor...but deception?  That's wrong.


I wrote an article a while ago entitled 'My BS-O-Meter is going off'..there have been a few articles of late that have set my meter twitching, and one that sent it off the scale.  I have, for the most part, left them alone, but there was one that I just couldn't ignore.  Now, should the author be able to provide me with some evidence that I can research for myself and verify that what was said was in fact the truth, I'll be more than happy to apologize for doubting them.


Somehow, I don't think that's going to happen.

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I knida treat blogging HERE as a very slow moving chatroom, with.. different sides, with a political bent.
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My point wasn't to say that it's OK to post lies as facts, my point was that this is someone's personal space much the same as your blog is your personal space. I've seen posts like this take many forms here, on livejournal and other blog sites. I don't like attempts to establish rules on how people should blog. I know no one here is saying there are XYZ rules for posting, but the feeling is there nonetheless. You're all saying that everyone who posts should conform to standard rules of journalistic ethics.

The problem with satire vs deception is that it's so hard to define. Very good satire is hard to separate from deception (see Peter Jackson's mockumentary on the birth of man powered flight). If you write the satire well, it will fool a LOT of people. Who's to define the line there? It's like sarcasm, it's very hard to pick up on at times unless you know the person. Is it malicious or is it for fun? It gets even harder online because all you have to go by is text on a screen... no inflection or anything. How you read it is colored by your attitude and existing knowledge.

I think the problem is self-balancing. Those that post lies as truth will be caught in it. Not many people here survive making unfounded claims against other users unless they're based in fact and have evidence to back it up Those that post complete and utter crap are filtered out by the community at large (like the spam bloggers for example... we just learned to ignore them completely).

What it comes down to is anyone has every right to write whatever they want here (within the boundaries of the law of course). Ethics don't enter into it. Those who feel it does need to step back and reevaluate just how seriously they're taking this whole activity.
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Reply By: ModeratemanPosted: Monday, January 24, 2005I knida treat blogging HERE as a very slow moving chatroom, with.. different sides, with a political bent.


... we were sooooooooooooo apolitical till you came along... we disgussed gardening, knitting, cooking...etc... You came in and there was a complete turnaround... politics politics and more politics.....B O R I N G
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Reply #16 By: Manopeace - 1/24/2005 4:11:13 PM
Reply By: ModeratemanPosted: Monday, January 24, 2005I knida treat blogging HERE as a very slow moving chatroom, with.. different sides, with a political bent.


... we were sooooooooooooo apolitical till you came along... we disgussed gardening, knitting, cooking...etc... You came in and there was a complete turnaround... politics politics and more politics.....B O R I N G


ummmmm have yer second "brat" of this year.... lol... gee ya mean joeuser was around and doing things before I got here... well!!
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ummmmm have yer second "brat" of this year.... lol... gee ya mean joeuser was around and doing things before I got here... well!!


We been here awhile... but I can honestly say Mod that you are a welcome addition....even if I'm a lil to the left of you....just a lil...
That's one of the lies Dharma was talking about lol (me being JUST a lil left of you... not the welcome addition part)
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Ha ha ha . . . now I'm dying to know which article(s) you're referring to . . . I guess I'll just have to poke around and see if anything sets off my less-finely-tuned BS-O-meter.

I realize that some people go online to "be someone else" or whatever, and that would be fine except for the fact that it brings other people into their little game, and these people develop relationships or begin caring for someone who is essentially just a fictional character.

I enjoy good fiction (for example, Shovelheat's awesome tales) but I don't appreciate being manipulated or lied to by someone who is presenting themselves as someone other than who they really are. Honesty is something I place a high value on, even in the online arena.

Interesting article, dharma.
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I realize that some people go online to "be someone else" or whatever, and that would be fine except for the fact that it brings other people into their little game, and these people develop relationships or begin caring for someone who is essentially just a fictional character.

I enjoy good fiction (for example, Shovelheat's awesome tales) but I don't appreciate being manipulated or lied to by someone who is presenting themselves as someone other than who they really are.

It's not even someone pretending to be something that they're not.  It's more a question of them either embellishing the truth or fabricating then entire scenario in order to make a point about the legal system.  There are just some things about the story that I find hard to believe, and I have come out and told the person so.....but have yet to recieve a response.

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It's not even someone pretending to be something that they're not. It's more a question of them either embellishing the truth or fabricating then entire scenario in order to make a point about the legal system. There are just some things about the story that I find hard to believe, and I have come out and told the person so.....but have yet to recieve a response.


D--I responded on that article. While I know little about cattle prods--so I can't comment on that aspect--the rest of the story seems believable to me as resident of DC. The beggars and panhandlers around here are often frightening and dangerous but the police don't want to deal with them. Also, in my response over there, I told about a time that I had to call 911 and the operator debated with me whether or not it was really an emergency even though my friend was held up at gunpoint. It's a sketchy city here in the nation's capital. I wouldn't be so quick to assume it was total bull.
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The pr0n bloggers have been handing us silly scenarios for ages... unless all those writhing lipstick lesbians, hot for a mixed threesome, really exist...

It is personal ideals, I think. I wouldn't do it, myself, but maybe people feel like putting their ideas in parable form makes them stick better. The downside is well-displayed here, though. If you take too far, you're liable to torpedo your idea because people can't get around the far-fetched story.

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wouldn't be so quick to assume it was total bull.

I'm not saying that it was ALL bull, I'm just saying that there are parts of the story that don't make sense to me.  I've been to DC and I've been hassled by the panhandlers, and I also researched the weapons laws there just yesterday....whilst I can understand the person's point about legitimate, law abiding citizens having their hands tied as far as self defense goes, I have a seriously hard time believing some of the things he says in the story....which, to me, undermines the entire thing.

The downside is well-displayed here, though. If you take too far, you're liable to torpedo your idea because people can't get around the far-fetched story.

As usual, Baker manages to hit the nail on the head much more eloquently than I!

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I believe the biggest impact a lie has in on the teller, even if they don't know it. If you live for the truth your life will be rich. If you live for lies then your life will be nothing. Embellishment and fantasy are fine, so long as everyone knows this. There have been a number of different posts I've read here and I've wondered how much truth existed in them.

Good on you for calling this one, Dharma.

Cheers,

Maso

PS You have mail...
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I absolutely have to comment on this.

My BS o meter went off at the 'I remembered my cattle prod' part of the story too. If I had to guess, I'd say the guy was carrying a Taser or pepperspray to defend himself and embellished that part of the story. The rest I'm not so sure is BS though.

I've been to the part of D.C. he is referring to. I did a 2 week contract there in 2000 (OAS Building, Farragut North metro stop) and have been to the same part of town MW refers to, specifically 1st and O street (between Dunbar High School and Dunbar Corner store). A black guy yelled "I don't like white people!" to my back. A cabbie saw me, pulled over and waived frantically for me to get in. He gave me a free ride into a safe part of town because he thought my life was in danger, that's how rough that area is. Overall, I liked D.C. a lot though.

When I first joined JoeUser I made mention of a 'false charges thingie' that I was going through. When I read MW's article my jaw dropped because his story is so similar to mine. I had a minor dispute with a neighbour who happened to be black. She was being very loud in a public place and I asked her politely to keep it down. I was surrounded by 3 street urchins who were probably carrying knives, fortunately cooler heads prevailed. I was living downtown at the time adjacent to a rough neighbourhood, this was the last straw, and decided to get a non-lethal weapon to protect myself. I ended up moving to the suburbs 6 weeks later, a textbook case of 'white flight'.

3 days later I'm walking down the street and my neighbour is following me and talking into a cell phone. I didn't think anything of it. A few minutes later the squad cars show up. She told the police that *I* was stalking *her* and threatened to shoot her. I did neither. I was arrested and cuffed on the spot for making death threats. Those charges were quickly dropped, but the illegal weapons charge wasn't. At 34 years old it was the first time I'd ever seen the inside of a jail, all on the word of a pissed off black woman. I strongly believe she made the false claim because black women aren't especially fond of white men telling them what to do, so race is most definitely the issue here.

While at the courthouse waiting for my first court appearance a black woman bursts out of a courtroom, screaming "Nobody does *me* like that". Some kind of civil matter. The woman pulls out a pen and says "I'll kill her. This pen is a weapon and I'll kill her!" all within earshot of several cops. The cops ask her to settle down and walk away from the courtroom, as the person she is threatening to kill is about to come out of the courthouse. Black woman refuses to move. Cops ask again, she refuses again. Cops threaten to physically move her, she grudgingly starts moving. No death threat charges for her, though.

A recent newspaper article reports 67% of calls to the police here in Canada are made by women.

As Moderateman so eloquently points out (holy shit that sounds like Swahili) and my lawyer buddy confirms, around 6% of people in jail are there on false convictions, to speak nothing of false charges. So let's chill out on the 'people in jail deserve what they get' stuff I've been hearing lately, because we - in all western countries - are at the mercy of another person's word and tomorrow it could be you in jail on false charges.

The trial was set for Jan 3. My (free, thank God) lawyer phones the arresting officer in early December to examine evidence. In a remarkable stroke of fate, my arresting officer was a former rugby teammate in high school (I come off not so good in this story, so allow me to gloat about the fact that I kicked my arresting officer's ass on the rugby pitch thoroughly and repeatedly back in the day ). We didn't recognize each other at first when he arrested me but we both clued in on the way to the station, but neither said anything about it as it was awkward. Anyhoo, the officer tells my lawyer that after reviewing the situation they don't really want to go to trial on this. I had obtained the complainant's written statement and it was ridiculous some of the things she said, to the point it was obvious she was full of shit. On Dec. 20th I got off on a peace bond, no record. I was very lucky.

In writing this it was very tempting to slant it in a more favourable way, but I swear to God it's true and is a fair portrayal of what happened. If you've ever wondered what particular bug is up my ass, and why I go bonkers here at JoeUser on issues of false charges, death threats, free speech, morality, and political correctness, it is largely due to this experience. Anyhoo, I am happy as hell it is behind me, though it's going to take a little longer till I am really over it. Time is a good healer.

This would probably me more relevant on MW's blog, but he doesn't allow anonymous comments. Whatever you are doing for inner peace, Dharma, it is working great and it shows in your writing. I hope I'm not spoiling your good vibes by posting this here , but I really had to get this out.

David St. Hubbins