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Politics Makes Strange Bedfellows

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141856,00.html
from JoeUser Forums

A prominent republican politican once said "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice".  He was soundly trashed for that statement.  But if we expand on that just a bit, we could also hear him say: Extermism in the pursuit of virtue is no vice.

And that latter brings us to the topic dujour.  How the ACLU and Castro are making fine bedfellows.

This is not an anti ACLU tirade, but it is a warning.  In their zealousness to remove all christian symbols from our society, they have become a caricture of their former self.  And they fit right in with Castro's workers' paradise.

You would think that they would see the stupidity of their zealousness, and you would be wrong.  For altho I do not question their intelligence, I do question their blindness.  They have won many battles, and I have no doubt they will win many more. But in the end, their own blind ambition will be their downfall as finally, a majority of America screams enough.  Extremism in the pursuit of virtue IS A VICE.

And it will be their fault for the backlash for failing to understand that being able to recognize history is not the same as promoting  a religion.

Sleep well ACLU.  Just dont complain about his scratchy beard.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

the symbols on the billboard about which the fox article reports aren't christian symbols (the common cartoonish santa claus isnt st nicholas).

I bet you are one of the ones that accused Bush on not connecting the dots too.  Seems it is a non-demoniational disease!

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
dr guy,

i like your article, though i do not completely understand or agree with what i think you are saying.

in general, i agree with kingbee that aclu attempts are not consistently extreme. kingbee suggested, before all of this became personal, that aclu was devoted to the separation of church and state, not the eradication of religion from society. i do, however, think that aclu occasionally misjudges their own mandate.

i also am a bit confused about the correlation you draw between aclu and castro (communism?). im not ripping, here; i am just trying to understand.

are you suggesting that aclu strives to exile all elements of organized religion from our society? that aclu hopes to create a secular utopia, or that aclu sets organized religion in opposition to government?

my thought is that aclu hopes to separate the two, rather than link them either by allowing elements of religion to shade public propaganda or by opposing each other.

you have to admit that it is a difficult mandate to fulfill: they want to provide for everyone's freedom of religion, but they want to keep public policy from using any religious filter. personally, i think the ideal is a good one, and very important; i just think it is a difficult, and often confusing journey. two steps forward, one step back.

heather: in some ways i agree with you; i think any attempt to color history or rewrite it is a very dangerous, possibly catastrophic error. but i don't think evolving public symbols as society's understanding and tolerance evolves is a snub or attempt at manipulating history. if the aclu wanted to ban the memory of the state symbol, or education relating to the purpose and meaning and origins of such symbols, i would completely agree with you.

but symbols mean more than a lot. they mean everything. if our government sanctioned the use of religious symbols in the life of public policy, it means something. educating and relating history is one thing, but the crucifix, the swasticka, the star of david--these symbols mean so many different things and have so many rooted significances, that to link such ideologies to our government is a fundamental control placed upon truth.

freedom provides for a society allowed to include any of these symbols in our lives, just not to link them fundamentally to public policy. as such, i agree with the aclu.

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

i also am a bit confused about the correlation you draw between aclu and castro (communism?). im not ripping, here; i am just trying to understand.

are you suggesting that aclu strives to exile all elements of organized religion from our society? that aclu hopes to create a secular utopia, or that aclu sets organized religion in opposition to government?

Yes.  Otherwise why would they go after the Boy Scouts, who are a private organization, for the only reason they require a profession of God?

I in no way am implying they are conspiring with Castro, only that they are both on the same side of this issue in trying to rid soceity of all references to God.  I did not say they were evil, only that they are making their bed, and that the consequences of their actions is not going to be what they want due to a backlash of them having gone too far. They may have the best of intentions, and I do not doubt that, but in their zeal, they have gone too far.