Anti-Christmas in Bible?
It Started 2000 Years Ago (Short)
It Started 2000 Years Ago (Short)
| It's not surprising to see those who zealously work today, to destroy celebration of the day OF Christ's birth |
i dont know of any zealous attempts to destroy the celebration of christmas in this country. if youre referring to legal challenges to sectarian exhibits or activities on or involving publicly-owned property or tax-funded programs, your statement is an extreme exageration/misconstrual of both intent and consequence. it's not a matter of destroying anything but protecting/ensuring every citizen's right to engage in his or her preferred religous expression without attaching to any one faith or belief the appearance of government endorsement (or lack thereof).
or...perhaps you meant retailers who'd welcome expanding the christmas season 4 months longer and starting it four months earlier, would happily surround and fill their stores with representational creches, angels, wise men, shepherds, the holy family, candles, stars, rudolph and his blinking red nose, santa, elves, sleighs, bows, the sounds of carols, jingle bells, etc. etc. to guide shoppers to the true miracle of christmas--its commerical potential. nobody or nothing does more to diminish the true meaning of christmas
i hadnt thought of this for a while, but i guess it's probably a good thing the first celebrations of xmas began 30 years after herod's rampage. the parents of those boy babies who were slain on herod's orders may not have considered the anniversary of that massacre were very likely dead themselves by 34ad. thos who werent probably wouldnt have considered that anniversary much of an occasion for joyousness.
| I had never thought of it that way, but the paralllels between Herrod and the religious bigots of today are too juicy to ignore! |
| the paralllels between Herrod and the religious bigots of today are too juicy to ignore |
well, who am i to try to argue with reason? come to think of it, whatta great reason to counter the growing moment to destroy xmas by infusing the traditional celebration with even more new testament authenticity! herod has been left too long off to the side. even the merchandisers will go for this one cuz itll add new product to jazz up the the limited character product line by adding new life-like reprensentations of herod AND some dead babies to the shepherds, wise men, manger animals, angels, etc.
an evil-looking king herod action figure and some little dead babies to scatter around the creche could do a lot to help believers recapture the threat aspect that has been so successfully secularized by attribution to santa claus, the grinch and the economy. having herod around to 'see you when youre bad' and some dead kids has to be a much more effective deterent to 4th quarter kid sinning than some fat old homeless guy who merely withholds presents.
on a more basic level, it fills a badly neglected guilt void ('but daddy, werent their parents sad about having their kids killed so the rest of us could have a wonderful holiday? couldn't god have hidden them someplace so they didnt get killed? well you see kids, whenever bad people try to 'take jesus out' of the equation theyre helping to kill these poor innocent babies. seeing those dead babies should always remind you of evildoers who dont abstain and wind up having abortions')
let's face it, while there's definitely a place for joy at the birth of christ, too much joy erods a healthy fear of god just like too much candy eventually rots healthy teeth.
| Herod's attempt to destroy Christ AT the DAY of His birth |
| Actually, since the story appears in only one gospel and no historical sources |
| Let me cite a few examples. Here in my town, Raleigh, No christmas lights. My son's school no longer celebrates christmas, they have a 'winter holiday' party. My work? Can't mention the C word here, and there can be no display of lights, bows, holly, or anything. It's like people are becoming afraid to mention christmas for fear of offending someone. |
there are no christmas lights on private homes, churches, stores in raleigh?
public schools are state instutions. would you be okay with the school celebrating a religious holiday with carols, decorations, etc. that were very clearly identified with a particular christian sect? jehovah's witnesses perhaps? or snake handlers? how about the type of catholicism common to brazil or haiti that's combined the ancient african gods with catholic saints? unitarian? the most sensible and constitutional way to ensure one sect isnt--or doesnt appear to be--endorsed by the government is to keep government institutions free of expressly religious events or symbols.
you are responsible for instilling your children with your religious values and traditions. public school teachers arent hired on the basis of their theological qualifications. religious school teachers are. if you wish your children to receive dogmatic instruction, you have every right to enroll them in a private church-school.
do you work for a government agency? if you work in the private sector, the owners of the company have every right to manifest their religious beliefs. they may choose not to do so, however, rather than risk alienating non-christian customers.
| lights, bows, holly, or anything |
since those are non-religious holiday trappings--as opposed to holy day symbols--i'm surprised any business owner would have a problem with them any more than they would the easter bunny or a jackolantern.
| I thought it was Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion |
freeing the state from religion is the only sure way to free religion from the state.
damn double posts
| public schools are state instutions. would you be okay with the school celebrating a religious holiday with carols, decorations, etc. that were very clearly identified with a particular christian sect? jehovah's witnesses perhaps? or snake handlers? how about the type of catholicism common to brazil or haiti that's combined the ancient african gods with catholic saints? unitarian? the most sensible and constitutional way to ensure one sect isnt--or doesnt appear to be--endorsed by the government is to keep government institutions free of expressly religious events or symbols. you are responsible for instilling your children with your religious values and traditions. public school teachers arent hired on the basis of their theological qualifications. religious school teachers are. if you wish your children to receive dogmatic instruction, you have every right to enroll them in a private church-school. |
| Does anyone find it odd that in the "public school system" in California, children are not allowed to mention God, Jesus Christ or any mention of the Bible- yet are allowed to read from the Koran, to role play the muslim faith and must understand and quote the 7 tenants of the muslim faith? |
i find it strange beyond credibility. can you cite the california statute(s) that forbid the mention of god or require the recitation of the 7 tenets (do you mean the five pillars?) of islam?
| ? In Oregon a child could not distribute a Christmas card with the story of the candy cane because it referenced the name of Jesus Christ |
| It seems that the direction of our nation is not Seperation of Church (religion) & State but God, Jesus Christ, the Bible and State! |
| No mention of God in the Constitution |
omg...youve discovered the DARK SECRET we've all taken a satanic oath to hide. please dont tell anyone about that okay? 
| KingBee, I honestly cannot see how you cannot see the attacks on Christmas in this country. Let me cite a few examples. Here in my town, Raleigh, No christmas lights. My son's school no longer celebrates christmas, they have a 'winter holiday' party. My work? Can't mention the C word here, and there can be no display of lights, bows, holly, or anything. It's like people are becoming afraid to mention christmas for fear of offending someone. |
Well, Christ wasn't born on December 25th, sad to say. There's much that can be gleaned from reading in context to understand this. As well, there is no directive in the bible to celebrate "Christmas"...I think the celebration of it or lack thereof is up to the individual.
It would be more fair to say that Herrod tried to stomp out CHRIST than "Christmas".
| im not sure why jesus' name would be mentioned in the story of the candycane. what did the text say? |
King,
There's an apocryphal story that ascribes religious significance to the candy cane. If you are familiar with the nature of apocryphal stories, you can probably piece it together. If not, I'm reasonably certain snopes has it.
Here is the story, with the snopes followup, for your info:
A candymaker in Indiana wanted to make a candy that would be a witness, so he made the Christmas Candy Cane. He incorporated several symbols from the birth, ministry, and death of Jesus Christ.
He began with a stick of pure white, hard candy. White to symbolize the Virgin Birth and the sinless nature of Jesus, and hard to symbolize the Solid Rock, the foundation of the Church, and firmness of the promises of God.
The candymaker made the candy in the form of a "J" to represent the precious name of Jesus, who came to earth as our Savior. It could also represent the staff of the "Good Shepherd" with which He reaches down into the ditches of the world to lift out the fallen lambs who, like all sheep, have gone astray.
Thinking that the candy was somewhat plain, the candymaker stained it with red stripes. He used three small stripes to show the stripes of the scourging Jesus received by which we are healed. The large red stripe was for the blood shed by Christ on the cross so that we could have the promise of eternal life.
Unfortunately, the candy became known as a Candy Cane a meaningless decoration seen at Christmas time. But the meaning is still there for those who "have eyes to see and ears to hear." Every time you see a Candy Cane, remember the Wonder of Jesus and His Great Love that came down at Christmas, and that His Love remains the ultimate and dominant force in the universe today.
holiday traditions with specifically religious origins and meanings. In fact, the strongest connection one can make between the origins of the candy cane and intentional Christian symbolism is to note that legend says someone took an existing form of candy which was already being used as a Christmas decoration (i.e., straight white sticks of sugar candy) and produced bent versions which represented a shepherd's crook and were handed out to children at church to ensure their good behavior:
About 1847, August Imgard of Ohio managed to decorate his Christmas tree with candy canes to entertain his nephews and nieces. Many who saw his canes went home to boil sugar and experiment with canes of their own. It took nearly another half century before someone added stripes to the Christmas cards produced before 1900 show plain white canes, while striped ones appear on many cards printed early in the 20th century.1
Claims made about the candy's religious symbolism have become increasingly widespread as religious leaders have assured their congregations that these mythologies are factual, the press have published these claims as authoritative answers to readers' inquiries about the confection's meaning, and several lavishly illustrated books purport to tell the "true story" of the candy cane's origins. This is charming folklore at best, and though there's nothing wrong with finding (and celebrating) symbolism where there wasn't any before, the story of the candy cane's origins is, like Santa Claus, a myth and not a "true story."
Soon after Europeans adopted the use of Christmas trees, they began making special decorations for them. Food items predominated, with cookies and candy heavily represented. That is when straight, white sticks of sugar candy came into use at Christmas, probably during the seventeenth century.
Tradition has it that some of these candies were put to use in Cologne Cathedral about 1670 while restless youngsters were attending ceremonies around the living creche. To keep them quiet, the choirmaster persuaded craftsmen to make sticks of candy bent at the end to represent shepherds' crooks, then he passed them out to boys and girls who came to the cathedral.1
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