There are Holes permeating the idea of evolution just as evolutionists feel that there are holes in the Adam and Eve theory.

Evolution is a theory in constant study taking in consideration all that surrounds us to determine how exactly was the universe (and life) created.
Adam and Eve is (according to the bible) a fact and not a theory

I do believe in both but not in the sense that I came from a friggen monkey

We did not evolved from a 'monkey' The string of cells that generated the 'modern human DNA' were spawns of an original cell that gave way to different species of mammals each one evolved in a different way. The much often comparison of man to apes/monkeys is do to the fact that they are the closest thing (behavior and appearance wise) to the human form.

As explained by a professor at the NYC Museum of Natural History

I agree Apocalypse.

Sorry to have inflamed ppl. I was just making a comment and not trying to go against what paxx originally said.

[Tin Foil Hat time]

I believe that the planet was seeded, and a genetic structure for mankind was deposited on earth. HA!

Whether it be asteroidal, manufactured probe, or whatever. I have a hard time believing in mere happenstance that the complex genetic sequence just happened, along.

But seriously I think the evolution of the gene sequence, is remarkable, to have evolved. Even more amazing is that the gene sequences for as many lifeforms, that are on this planet, have evolved. It's like lightning in a bottle..to the N'th degree.
So this is why I tend to lean towards the Terra Seeding philosophy.
Being that there is such a genetic and ecological interdependance.
We are just now discovering, interactions from species, that were not known before. As we kill off species and observe their effects on th ecological front.
Now I do not want this to be interpreted as a Religious or even remotley religous leaning. I do belive in a Superior Being, only in the respect that Mankind, is a unevoluted distant relative, and is heading that way.

/me remembers the "Creation vs Evoulution" thread last year..

kona,

hang on a second while I warm up my keyboard

(Just kidding!)

Okay folks, for all you true believers in evolution out there, science has now proven that all mammals descend from a prehistoric rat! http://www.mnh.si.edu/mammals/mammalpictures/morgie.htm

Just so you know the truth now! Wouldn't want you to believe that humans were only evolved from monkeys! Rats are so much more.....creepy!

I mean if it's in the Smithsonian it must be the truth, right??????

/me has been wondering how evolution explains why caterpillers and worms turn into butterflys and moths?????? I mean couldn't evolution make up it's mind on what they were 'sposed to be? Worms or butterflys?????

hang on a second while I warm up my keyboard (Just kidding!)

hehe

I find it really hard to understand how people I feel are of reasonable intelligence can not keep in mind the very first post that started this thread to begin with...

Totally asinine of them in my opinion...

Summary......crapload of stuff happened way before we noticed it........somebody started keeping track of it......

I agree with Iplural on this one.. go start your own thread!!

Yes, please, this is not about debating if Evolution is true or not. It's a thread for people who believe in it to ponder on how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things.

And just for the record, loveblessing, that animal would be the ancestor of all mamals, not just the ancestor of primates. That means the ancestor of rats, dogs, lions, girafes, etc. Even whales. And before that, we decend from fishes, and before that from virus-like cellular organism. I don't see any contradiction between the fact that monkeys and humans have a common ancestor, and that this ancestor has another ancestor.  The fact that you're your mother's child, is that a contradiction to the fact that you're your grandmother's granchild?

Anyway, if you wish to discuss this further, please open an "Disccussion about Evolution" thread. But we alread had many of them.

It's my thought that we need to take the term 'Evolution' and use it on a little larger scale than just the Earth.... I believe that science, philosophy and theosophy are tied together on a much grander scale that just our third rock from the sun

Did my eye spot the term "theosophy"? As in: the believe that mankind is curently being in its fifth evolutionary cycle and was preceded by Atlanteans, Lemurians, Hyperboreans and Polarians (to name just a fragment of this school of thought)?

Or did you mean "theology"?

Dang. (Theosophy) wasted a nickel word there.

To borrow from Wikipedia (One of my Faves BTW.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Wikipedia

Theosophy A stricter definition from the Concise Oxford Dictionary describes theosophy as "any of various philosophies professing to achieve a knowledge of God by spiritual ecstasy, direct intuition, or special individual relations, esp. a modern movement following Hindu and Buddhist teachings and seeking universal brotherhood."

So everyone Get yer KEDS, and Rolls of Quarters ready, we's a goin' home.

Seriously though, I agree but why limit the evolutionary Concept, and evolution of the Human Species to just one, teensie Planet.
If you believe in Evolution, then you have to believe in LGM's (Little Green Men.) I mean let's just accept the whole thing. If we have evolved, then there has to be somewhere another species, that has evolved, and as we have technological advancement, then they to must be advanced and possibly more so."We evolved ero they Must Evolve." "We are ergo they are." Sadly it was reported that /me completed the typing of his note, proved Black was White, and was run over at the nearest Zebra Crossing.
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This is just the wrong thread to post, whilst I am in the middle of a Carl Sagan (Cosmos) Marathon. I tried to warn ya.

Imagine that the history of the universe is compressed into one year—with the big bang occurring in the first seconds of New Year’s Day, and all our known history occurring in the final seconds before midnight on December 31. Using this scale of time, each month would equal a little over a billion years. Here’s a closer look at when important events would occur when we imagine the universe in one year.

I've read that off the link a few times and I still don't get it? hehe!
(what diff does time make nor effect on anything really)

/me comes to bug paxxy and take his thread off topic...

jussssss kidding carry on bro

It's just easier for people to understand one month than one billion years, you know, that's all.  It's reducing the scale, just like it's sometimes easier to admire the architecture of a building if you see it smaller.  If the Big Bang happened one year ago, then writting was invented only 15 seconds ago, and Columbus dicovered America only 1 second ago.   How long is a human life in this? 1/10th of a second?

For me it always blows my mind when I look up at night, makes me always realize how nothing we are...

and then of course the nagging questions "why" w/o the answer... (that part sucks) hehe

Aha, another one who has grasped the infinity of space.

It's kind of sad, in a way, that so many people can't see the sky without interference (city lights, mostly).

If one can find a place well away from any light interference on a clear night (out at sea is very nice, since you can see horizon to horizon), it's amazing how much more striking the skyscape is, and it really drives home the scale of what you're seeing far more than the comparatively meager display one gets in the populated areas.

It's one of the most awesome views I've ever seen.

The Infinateness of the "Without" is as Vast as the "Within."

"There are No Greater Depth's than that of the Soul"

"I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my MotorCycle."
Arlo Guthrie

You guys might be interested to read some of Robert J. Sawyers' Books, given the topic of discussion.

http://www.sfwriter.com/
Website of Robert J. Sawyer

Book Hominids
"Discover What It Means To Be Human

A bridge opens to a parallel Earth where Neanderthals survived to the present day and we did not. "

The whole series is like this, and it makes for an interesting read.
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...a short somewhat simply edited exerpt from Elements of Theosophy by Lilian Edger: (printed London) the author's note is dated 1903....and she speaks of the society as being around 25 years old at the time...which does not mean to say that theosophy per se began at that time, I'm convinced it's been around the universe for a whole lot longer lol...but that the Theosophical Society as a coordinated group began around that time....

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The 'Theosophical Society' is no new sect it does not aim at propogating some new religion.
No one is asked what religion *they belongs to when *they wishe to join there are in the society Christians, Parsis, Hindus, Mohammedans, Buddhists..*.all shades of opinion...there are those that profess no relion, free thinkers, materialists.
None are asked to leave *their religion because *they are not asked to subscribe to any creed or dogma. All that is asked is that by *their life they shall try to bring nearer
the realization of the ideal of brotherhood, and that in all matters of opinion, whether religious or otherwise, *they shall show to those who disagree with them the same perfect tolerance that *they would wish to be shown toward *themselves.

)I still gotta lotta woik ta do on that part) lol

Basically it's a band of students who try to bring to their study especially of philosophy and religion an open and unprejudiced mind, a recognition that the knowledge
of any individual is limited and imperfect, and a willingness to receive truth, in whatever direction *they may find it
and thus add to *their store of knowledge.

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some very interesting reads:

I wish I could understand more of it...

The Seven Principles of Man Annie Besant

Karma Annie Besant

The Secret Doctrine H.P. Blavatsky

The Voice of the Silence H.P. Blavatsky

and many more that I can't begin to understand lol

I also dig Omni and Star Trek and Nasa Tv...

does that count????

Oh my god, she actually meant theosophy! The Secret Doctrine's online, by the way. For example, here: http://sacred-texts.com/the/sd/index.htm