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new 'puter. help me.

new 'puter. help me.

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ok, so i have formed a couple of computers together and an trying to decide which one is a better bang (no i dont mean crash) for my buck, please help me out:

Corner 1:

Soyo Ultra Dragon P4X400 Socket 478 Barebone Kit Blue
-Chieftec Dragon Mini-Tower MS-Blue ATX Case with Front USB, FireWire and Side Fan
-3X5.25 and 3X3.5 bays
-front usb, firewire and side window

Soyo P4X400 Dragon Ultra Platinum Edition Motherboard
-3 dimm sockets upto 3GB
-5 PCI one AGP pro
-8X agp port

Ultra 400 Watt ATX PS With 120mm Blue LED Fan

209.99

Intel® Pentium® 4 2.8GHz / 512K Cache / 533MHz FSB/ Socket 478 / Processor 169.99

Ultra Aluminum Socket 478 up to P4 2.8GHz CPU Cooling Fan 14.99

GEFORCE FX 5200 256 MB DDR DVI & TV Out - 8X 99.99

210+100+170+15=495+ S/H


CORNER 2:

Black ChenMing Aluminum Case with Side Window - 450Watt PSU
-4 x 5.25" , 2 x 3.5" 4 x 3.5" HDD
-450 watt dual fan power supply.

90.00

SOYO 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model "SY-P4I875P DRAGON 2 (Platinum Edition)"
-FSB: 800/533MHz
-RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR400/333 Max 4GB
-IDE: 4x UltraDMA 66/100/133(2 for RAID) up to 8 Devices
-Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI
177.00

Intel® Pentium® 4 2.8GHz / 512K Cache / 533MHz FSB/ Socket 478 / Processor 169.99-20.00 rebate

Ultra Aluminum Socket 478 up to P4 2.8GHz CPU Cooling Fan 14.99

GEFORCE FX 5200 256 MB DDR DVI & TV Out - 8X 99.99

90.00+177.00+170.00-+15.00+100=452.00


CORNER 3:

Chieftec Dragon Green ATX Mid-Tower Case with Ultra 500 Watt Power Supply
-4 - 5.25" Bays with Easy-Pull Port Covers
-3 - Removable 3.5" Bays (2 External and 1 Hidden)
-3 - Hidden Removable 3.5" Bays with Removable Case Fan Mount
-Ultra 500W ATX Power Supply with 2-80mm Cooling Fans
80.00
-ASUS nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU, --Model "A7N8X-E Deluxe"
-chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T
-FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz
-RAM: 3x DIMM support Dual-Channel DDR400/333/266/200(Non-ECC) Max 3GB
-IDE: 2x UltraDMA 66/100/133 up to 4 Devices
-Slots: 1x AGP Pro/8X, 5x PCI
116.00
AMD Athlon XP 2700+, 333MHz FSB, 256K Cache Processor - OEM
-Operating Frequency: 2.17GHz
-FSB: 333MHz

113.00
ASUS RADEON 9600SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "9600SE/TD”
-Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9600SE/325MHz
-Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz
-BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
-Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
-Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@75Hz
94.00
And a fan for say 20.00

80.00+116.00+113.00+94.00+20=419

AND CORNER 4:

Chieftec Dragon Servers Series Black Aluminum Workstation Tower Case without Power Supply,
-Specification:
-Case Type: Workstation Tower
-Color: Black
-Material: Aluminum
-Drive Bays: 5.25'' x4,3.5''(External) x2, 3.5''(Internal) x4
-Front Ports: USB2.0 x2,IEEE1394 x1
-Cooling System: 2 Rear Mounted fans and 1 Side Panel fan
-Motherboard Compatibility: ATX
$65.00

SOYO NVIDIA nForce3 150 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU, Model "SY-CK8 DRAGON Plus" -RETAIL
-Specifications:
-Supported CPU: Socket 754 AMD Athlon64 Processors
-Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 150
-FSB: 400/800MHz
-RAM: 3x DIMM support DDR400/333/266 Max 2GB
-IDE: 3x UltraDMA 66/100/133 up to 6 Devices
-Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 6x PCI
-Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,Audio Ports
-Onboard Audio: CMI9739 6-Channels Audio
-Onboard LAN: 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
-Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1
-Form Factor: ATX
128.00

AMD Athlon 64bit 3000+, 512KB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM
-Specification
-Model: AMD Athlon 64 3000+
-Core: ClawHammer
-Operating Frequency: 2.0GHz
-FSB: Integrated into Chip
-Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
-Voltage: 1.5V
-Process: 0.13Micron
-Socket: Socket 754
-Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
-heatsink and fan included.
227.00



i will also add Corsair Value Select Dual Kits 184 Pin 1G(512MBx2) DDR PC-2700 to which ever computer i choose in the end.

-Speed: DDR333(PC2700)
-Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
-Error Checking: Non-ECC
-Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
-Cas Latency: 2.5
-Support Voltage: 2.5V
-Bandwidth: 2.7GB/s
-Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
147.00



the lucky computer will most likely be used for skinning and gaming, oh, and the occasional school work to keep the parents happy, also, i dont plan to overclock the computer because i dont need any problems.

so please, if you have time, help me out. thanks.
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Reply #26 Top
im lookin at a GIGABYTE nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU.

this one has 8 device.

...wait, whats a SATA controller card?

/me is looking it up


yeah, too bad that none of the AMD MOBOs go over 400mhz FBS...
Reply #27 Top
SATA = Serial HD controller basically as all new high speed drives are SATA.

160+ GB drives are most times SATA

If you look into 64 bit AMD chips I believe they go above 400 FSB

BTW the nvidia nforce2 is a AWESOME chipset
Reply #28 Top
i have an MSI on my P3 right now. SHWEET! i need to know how much i can sell it for...


lets see, i have :::

MSI MOBO
P3-866mhz CPU
ATI all-in-wonder rage 128 bit 16 meg vid card
160 Gig HD
CDR/RW rom
DVD+-rom(sony)
Zip drive (250)
and, lets see,
Dell 17" CRT monitor
Windows XP
Office XP
whole buncha software
Reply #29 Top
I could sell all that for you on ebay for about 400 to 700 bucks. depends on the market.
Reply #30 Top
*hhhmmmmm* nice. i got it for $200. i got the p3 at a sale at our school, came with all except the dvd/cdrw which i got for $50 from my cousin, the VID card was laying around at my house (we got a newer one) the 160gig, sale at officemax, got it for $70..... nice i can make some money off this baby...

Reply #31 Top
alrighty, another question:::

what kind/which of Video Card is better?:::

NVIDIAS:::

nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, TV-Out, PCI, for $75

the nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, for $99

the CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce FX5600 ULTRA Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, for $125

the nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 ULTRA Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, for $99

or the nVIDIA GeForce4 TI4200-8X Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, Dual DVI/VIVO, 8X AGP, for $125


ATIS:::

the ATI RADEON 9000PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 4X AGP, for $73

the ATI RADEON 9200 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP for $82

the ATI RADEON 9600 Video Card, 128MB DDR, TV-Out, 8X AGP for $99

or the ATI RADEON 9600 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP for $102



=sorry for the log post again=
Reply #32 Top
Well, the 5600Ultra has a higher memory clock (will differ though and same core clock speed) over the 9600Pro. There is no clear cut winner. I will say this with ATI--better DirectX9 performance for most next-gen games using Pixel Shader 2.0 and better FSAA and anisotropic performance. Also consider the 9600XT.
Reply #33 Top
yeah, i decided to choose the 5600ULTRA in the end. my system is gonna come out to be around $600 without HD or CD/r/rw/DVD drives oh, and without a monitor. i have a 17" crt and that enough for now... thanks dj.
Reply #34 Top
Oh and a 256mb card right now is not necessary. You might only see some improved performance at 1600x1200 w/ 4AA/16AF.
Reply #35 Top
Cool. Great card. What were your specs before and what processor are you choosing to go with?
Reply #36 Top

ASUS P4P800 Deluxe with an IDE expansion card....space for 8 ide devices and 2 sata drives as well [along with 8 USB 2 and 4 ram slots].

10 has gotta be enough for anyone...

Reply #37 Top
Jafo your system is nice, everyone knows that.

But he wants a AMD processor.

I wonder if Asus makes the same board with a AMD solution?



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Reply #38 Top
lets see, the motherboard im getting:

GIGABYTE nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU,
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket A AMD AthlonXP/Athlon/Duron Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP
FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz
RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 4x UltraDMA 66/100/133 up to 8 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI(PCI 2.2)
Ports: 2xPS2,2xCOM,1xLPT,1xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),3xIEEE1394,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN:8110S Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000
Onboard SATA/RAID: Silicon Image sil3112A, 2x SATA/GiagRAID controller

CPU:

AMD Athlon XP 2800+ " Barton", 333MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2800+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 2.08GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) <-- im tossing the fan and replacing it with Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu+ CPU Cooler for Socket A/370.

Reply #39 Top
and the Allied 400W Power Supply ATX400P4 w/ Two Fans ***AMD APPROVED*** UL, CSA, FCC

with XFX nVIDIA GeForce FX5600 ULTRA Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/VIVO, 8X AGP, Model "PVT31FNC" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce FX5600ULTRA/350MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/700MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+VIVO+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®1.5
Cable/Accessories: VGA via DVI Adapter, 3 Cables, Driver CD, Manual
Reply #40 Top
my system that i am selling is p3-866 mhz with MSI MOBO (6 devices) ATI all in wonder rage 128 pro (16 mb)

so the newer system will seem to me like heaven.
Reply #41 Top
Hmmm, how much you lookin to spend on you video card? You might consider an XFX 5700 Ultra 475/900 at $169 compared to 350/700 on the 5600 Ultra. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-150-047&catalog=48&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1

Or a MSI 5900 non Ultra 400/700 with a 256 bit bus (way better performance with AA and AF over the 5700 Ultra) at $185
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-119&catalog=48&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1
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Reply #42 Top
nVIDIA GeForce FX5600 ULTRA Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, for $125


the 5600 is slightly cheaper and i dont need a super system *yet*

remember, this is my first computer that i am building so i dont wanna try anything fancy just in case i mess up.

i build this one, mess around with it till i get bored, sell it and make a better one, always getting higher quality stuff.

Reply #43 Top
hey dj, you sound like you know your computer stuff, do you have an email that i can email to ask questions like this?
Reply #44 Top
#42 by Evil Emperor Surg - 2/18/2004 5:30:57 PM nVIDIA GeForce FX5600 ULTRA Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, for $125the 5600 is slightly cheaper and i dont need a super system *yet* remember, this is my first computer that i am building so i dont wanna try anything fancy just in case i mess up.



I hear ya. Just wanted to give you some other good options. When you get your new system, download the FarCry, Painkiller and UT2004 demos to 'break in' you system All available at http://www.fileplanet.com/ with a basic account. You'll have to wait in line though.

#43 by Evil Emperor Surg - 2/18/2004 5:32:11 PM do you have an email that i can email to ask questions like this?



Already sent you one
Reply #45 Top
Oh and I can tell you from experience the 2800+ Barton is a nice choice. You mentioned you don't plan on overclocking, so why drop the stock cooling?
Reply #46 Top
i lied . no, i changed my mind. also, the custom cooling is quieter, i heard. thanks for the programs, i already have a couple including PCmark 2002 and Powerstrip (overclocking your Video card) thanks again and i have your email if any more questions arise, but i think that i will post many of them here.

thanks again.
Reply #47 Top
*games* my bad. hehehe, replied before checking out the links.
Reply #48 Top
anyway, gotta run home, be back tommorrow.
Reply #49 Top
No problem.

I use Arctic Ceramique Thermal Compound. I have had a 6 to 10 degree drop. The stock thermal pad is easy to remove and this application is simple.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-100-009&depa=0

http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique_instructions.htm

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Reply #50 Top
thanks. i am prolly gonna get that.