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Review of Object Desktop in PC Zone Magazine

Review of Object Desktop in PC Zone Magazine

I just bought the June issue of the UK magazine PC Zone for the big preview of Half-Life 2, and happened to notice a mini-review of Object Desktop in an article about making your computer 'cool'.

Quote:

"Products such as Stardock's Object Desktop can be downloaded in a flash, and allow you to tweak and fiddle with the default appearance of Windows by reshaping its look and feel. The vast bulk of replacement frame, images and cursors are garish, blatant copyright theft or just plain awful, but if you couple Object Desktop with Winbar, which gives at-a-glance readouts of Godzilla's vital signs, you'll have something truly awesome."

Then elsewhere:

"Object Desktop - Turns Windows into an unusable, graphically offensive mess. Chalk up some points for being weird."

I'm sure I'm not alone in finding these comments downright offensive. They also lay into CursorXP by basically saying it's totally uncool.

Who knows where these so-called journalists learn to talk about this stuff, but it seems to me that they probably haven't even tried to research for the article. They probably just read an ill-informed comment on a forum somewhere and thought they'd add it to their copy.

If you'd like to give them some feedback on their journalistic integrity, you might like to e-mail their letters page at '[email protected]'.

By the way, if you want to give Winbar a go to improve your horribly disfigured desktop after using Stardock's products, go to http://www.winbar.nl .
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Reply #51 Top
Jafo: "only 'perhaps' motive is different..."

The motive for uploading a screenshot is 'perhaps' to redistrbute the items therein? Really, even 1% of the time?

Do developers themselves assume people are going to cut icons out and re-use them when they post screenshots of their software? Hardly. I am sure the original developers don't expect anyone to steal icons from the screensots they post. Nor do I when I post images of my destop.

So screenshots have to be *abused*. I know of no legitimate reason to distribute a zip file full of someone else's copyrighted icons...

Regardless, the developers themselves should decide. Time will tell.



Post #52 makes the situation... relatively... clear. No further need for discussion.
Reply #52 Top
IN ADDITION:

See the post regarding on topic. Grayhaze was nice enough to create his own thread here informing users about a hack review. It is disrespectful to those who take the time to create threads to hijack them into ones pet topic. If you want to discuss copyrights, trademarks, case law, create your own thread and go for it. Don't hijack someone else's thread.
Reply #53 Top
Jafo: i know you do a good job here. heck, i just wanted to give a few links for sig as he was so surprised on that "blatant copyright theft" in that review. but tell Paxx to at least edit the comment to give a little credit to Misery on that Nijikon Fetchi WB skin. else it really looks as there are different rules.

§tatic: well, i did not do re-engeneering nor decompiling nor disassembling. i edited a file that came with the install, that is true, but then the registry and other files get altered as well, so i am not fully convinced.
Reply #54 Top
sorry for the last one. took to long to post.
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My email to those morons:

Dear PC Zone Magazine,

In a recent article (June 2003 issue) about Object Desktop, a program from Stardock Inc. certain accusations were made, that were not completely true, and the statements should not have been made without any research into the programs mentioned. However, the article made it's way into your magazine, anyways, despite the fact that no actual research was done on the programs in question, and no tact was used in the way that your columnist made his improper claims.

Here is a quote from your article; "The vast bulk of replacement frame, images and cursors are garish, blatant copyright theft or just plain awful." The truth is that, even at Stardock's own website, www.wincustmoize.com, any copyright infringement is shunned upon, and it is in the terms and conditions of the site that no one attempt to upload copyrighted material without permission from the original author. The truth, which you apparently have not attempted to find, is that every skin that is uploaded is moderated for quality. Any skins that don't work properly, or are found to infringe on copyrights are not shown on the site, and authors may be removed from the site, and have their ISP number blocked for disobeying the terms of service of the site. On Wincustomize.com you will find this in the rules of the site "If you upload something that is owned by someone else or contains materials owned by someone else, we have the right to delete that item without notification," and also the following "Images taken from other sources cannot be accepted without permission, including but not limited to pictures taken from movies, television shows, games, web sites, magazines, celebrity pictures. However, although they are theoretically also copyrighted, we will be lenient concerning corporate logos and OS ports, unless we are approached by the companies and asked to remove them. An exception: sports logos. Sport organization make money selling the right to use their logos and explicitly forbid the distribution of art containing their logo unless a license is purchased."
Also I would like to know if you can site specific examples of copyright theft that you mention, so that I could forward them to Stardock, and the others at Wincustomize, so that the skins in question may be removed. I am sure however you will find very little on a Stardock sponsored website at all, since all skins are moderated. I find that a journalist is lacking when he makes claims that he can not support, and this is very unprofessional to make unjust claims of a company or product you obviously have no first hand knowledge of.

You mention that the rest of the skins, that aren't copyright theft are "awful". Most of the artists that design the skins for the programs in object desktop design custom interfaces for other programs such as Trillian, Litestep, Aston Shell, and many others. Authors that make skins for Object Desktop designed the interface for the movie The Recruit, and commercial interfaces have been designed by Pixtudio.com, which specializes in skins for many Stardock products. Pixtudio has made skins for major companies like Nintendo, and NVidia. Two multi-billion dollar companies don't think the Skins are "awful." In fact, Nintendo and Nvida both paid for Pixtudio to make custom Windowblinds skins, and yes Windowblinds is a big part of Object Desktop. A Windowblinds skin was even made for PC Magazine, and they gave Object Desktop an awesome review. The top artists that work with Stardock make skins for almost every skinnable program on the net, and are respected in the skinning community for their interfaces that they make for other programs as well as skins for Windowblinds, Object Bar, and Desktop X which are all parts of Object Desktop. So the interfaces for every skinning program on the internet should be called bad and not just Stardock's, if what you say is true. The top skinners in the community have up to 5 years experience skinning if not more, and up 20 years with graphics programs. So, to say that an artist with that much experience makes something "awful" is a blatent insult, and is not called for, however to say that a journalist that makes untrue claims, and insults others is ignorant, is 100 percent justified in my eyes. I noticed that you mentioned cursors as well, Object Desktop does not include any cursor program when you buy it. You may be referring to a program called Cursor XP which is sold separately, but like most of your other comments, if you had done research you would have known that. So if your one of your claims isn't even about object desktop, then why did you put it into your article as though it was a problem with Object Desktop.

Here is another quote from your magazine; "Object Desktop - Turns Windows into an unusable, graphically offensive, mess." In fact Windowblinds which is a part of Object Desktop, and skins the windows themselves, uses the same API's as the default Windows XP theme, so any problems inherent in Windowblinds would also be inherent in Windows itself without Windowblinds. Also Windowblinds uses 2 megabytes less ram than the default Windows XP theme, issues of stability don't apply since Windows will run faster with it, than without it. Windowblinds is in the Windows catalog, and is endorsed by Microsoft, no other program of it's type is. Even Microsoft endorses it over their own built in skinning engine. Microsoft considers it an enhancement to their software, and it is no way unusable since a majority of the skins work much like the default Windows themes in functionality. The many Object Desktop programs will work wonderfully with novice to advanced users, because one can make subtle changes, with the looks, colors, and icons or one can add functionality with extra titlebar buttons, advanced taskbars, and MP3 player plugins.

I think this was terrible on the part of your magazine, and I think the author of that story should be repremanded for his blatent personal attacks against Stardock, and the artists that devote their time to making the skins and themes for Stardock products. He has no right to make comments that are untrue, and such action does not only make him look bad, but it makes everyone that works for your magazine look bad. I hope whatever his personal issues are that he has he gets them worked out, and this nonsense of his can stop, and I hope that your magazine can someday be something worth reading again.

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Reply #56 Top
da_zman20...unfortunately you 'may' be guilty of similar 'inaccuracies'.
When making 'claims' that something did or did not occur, it far more appropriate to pepper the statement/s with 'appears to' and/or 'alleges', etc.

When claims of unsubstantiated conduct are made it's appropriate that their efficacy is suitably 'protected'..

Only read the first few lines before hurriedly posting this...
Reply #57 Top
he he he sorry, I was a little mad at their claims... but you make good points and I will remember that the next time I get angry with people like them...

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Reply #58 Top
The chances are that the journalist was given a topic, told to write x-amount of copy, was pointed to a proggy, proceeded NOT to 'RTFM', got himself into some form of 'mess', got miffed, and took it out on/in his article.

I have read worse in PC Answers...the 'Extreme Customizing' section makes amusing reading at best and me want to strangle the prick at worst.
THAT author clearly has a personal agenda, nothing more....and knows precious-little about what he speaks..
Reply #59 Top
I think digital copyright's are just too confusing... it's best with authors to follow your advice jafo in regards to the icons and such...

and I agree with FrogBoy... the copyright on this site works... if you find something you don't agree with give it to an admin, i've never seen an issue given to admin that hasn't been handled promptly

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Reply #60 Top
There's a few I haven't gotten to as yet..but I'm working on it...

Whenever you wish someone to alter their 'ways', reasoned argument or better, polite discussion will get you further than going in, guns blazing...[unless you are lucky enough to have really BIG GUNS...thay always win arguments, etc]...
Reply #61 Top
thay = they....but you knew that.. Spell checker
Reply #62 Top
that is true Jafo, people will listen to you more when you speak to politely, even if the discussion is about them disrespecting you or not listening to you.

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Reply #63 Top
"speak to (them) politely"

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Reply #64 Top
To prevent anyone making fools of themselves when responding to the magazine about the article, I thought it might be a good idea to actually let you people see the article itself. I know this is sort of illegal, and it will probably kill my bandwidth, but here are the scans of the 3 page article itself:

Page 1: http://grayhaze.com/scans/pczonepage1.jpg
Page 2: http://grayhaze.com/scans/pczonepage2.jpg
Page 3: http://grayhaze.com/scans/pczonepage3.jpg

The stuff about Object Desktop and CursorXP is on page 3, and I have highlighted the relevant paragraphs in yellow.

Hopefully you'll be able to take the comments in context now, and understand that this wasn't just an article attacking Stardock, but rather a misguided attempt by a journalist to inform the UK readers how to be 'cool'. Oh dear.
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By the way, if the admins here request that I remove the scans, I'll be more than happy to do so.
Reply #66 Top
grayhaze....that lot is entirely tame, apart from the 'blatant copyright theft' bit, which is libelous at best.
As I said earlier...the PC Answers articles are far more disparaging...

Since we [Wincustomize.com] are included in the body content of that article I see no reason to remove it from view....
Reply #67 Top
Interesting how he puts XP Home in the same category ......... I think this guy has issues.
Reply #68 Top
It doesn't seem that offensive actually, just high in "Attitude".
Reply #69 Top
It's a gamers magazine more than anything. Those sorts of reviewers tend to word things in a way more serious reviewers would not. It's more about comedy than accuracy is my impression.

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Reply #70 Top
Oh and religion is people trying to get to God. Christianity is all about God reaching out to people and inviting then to come to him.

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Reply #71 Top
gah wrong thread.


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Reply #72 Top
Ah DINK EM if they can't find a clue...

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