Can an admin check these comments?

https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=26&SkinID=1141

Also have a look at comments for the One World One Peace logon by the same author.

May I add a comment to the list? https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=8&SkinID=8523

https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=26&SkinID=1156

would you like me to delete these?

David Mandle, got rid of that one...

I'd like you to delete the person who made them..... >

They are not comments on the art, but personal attacks, name calling, and death wishes.

The comments are out of line on Goodmorphings link. I'm not big on 'wrath-of-God' type stuff, but saito80 should be banned for what he said (in spanish):

"I hope that your friends die in combat or are taken like prisoners death to all the North Americans around the world"

I dunno why Oblivicon doesn't just delete it and remove the venue for those tactless enough to discuss it on someone's comments. I am really surprised at _Martin_ and alo_cmr for taking up such a discussion where it doesn't belong.

Uncharacteristic. That is what I would expect from the more chaotic sites in the community.

Suggestion: Why not limit people to a single comment on a skin? Why do they need to serially comment on a single work? I am still all in favor of letting artists delete comments on their skins, here and anywhere else. Comments should be for the author, not for a public display of "intelligence" by a viewer. Too often they are like a 'critics corner' for the public, and not the author.

If the author doesn't want them there, I don't see why they should be forced to have them there. As long as they read them to begin with they have served their purpose.

good grief...I have never been so....pissed, mortified, embarassed, whatever. What in the world is the matter with these people.

Umh, sorry, these comments are really bad, no doubt and there must be something done against them. But such a political skin/statement will provoke good and bad reactions. I am not sure if the site should accept them. This is a skin site, no platform for political propaganda in this or the other way. I would also feel uncomfortable if someone would upload an anti-us artwork to make that clear (but I have reasonable doubts that it would go through moderation...)

I just got through the login section (I am normally not interested in it) and found some more. I am again not sure if I like this 'trend' here on my favorite site...

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The comments are out of line on Goodmorphings link. I'm not big on 'wrath-of-God' type stuff, but saito80 should be banned for what he said (in spanish):

"I hope that your friends die in combat or are taken like prisoners death to all the North Americans around the world"

I dunno why Oblivicon doesn't just delete it and remove the venue for those tactless enough to discuss it on someone's comments. I am really surprised at _Martin_ and alo_cmr for taking up such a discussion where it doesn't belong.

Uncharacteristic. That is what I would expect from the more chaotic sites in the community.

Suggestion: Why not limit people to a single comment on a skin? Why do they need to serially comment on a single work? I am still all in favor of letting artists delete comments on their skins, here and anywhere else. Comments should be for the author, not for a public display of "intelligence" by a viewer. Too often they are like a 'critics corner' for the public, and not the author.

If the author doesn't want them there, I don't see why they should be forced to have them there. As long as they read them to begin with they have served their purpose.

/me says "I couldn't agree with you more on this one, I am all in favor of your suggestions...."

Jam: thanks

c242: Almost everything would be offensive to someone. That would be kind of like imposing hard-line Islam's "non-representational art" rule. All you would end up with is abstract or geometric stuff, which is too prevalent already, imho. It would be Bryce and fractal hell... The art isn't the problem, the inappropriate comments are. Address the comments, not the art.

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The problem is that there has never been an established purpose for comments on skin sites. Are they there to present constructive criticism *to* the artist, or op/ed-style criticism to the audience as a whole?

No one lets people stick post-it notes under the art in a museum, and no one complains about it being a limit to their freedom-of-speech. They can always go somewhere else and publish their criticism without riding the art's popularity to further their own visibility.

If it functions like a messageboard, I'm afraid they'll use it like one. I think the artist should be able to moderate to a point, or the physical structure should prevent people from (ab)using it that way.

Those comments will stay for the moment.....helps with the exiling process....to be sure the appropriate 'people' are given their marching orders.

I personally didn't like the politicality [new word] of the works themselves, anticipating emotive response...

Fear not, Jafo is on their case....

Of course...political 'messaged' works or not, the 'War debate' isn't really appropriate on the skin comments...there's a number of related threads on the board for that.

So....some will be excised...

Excised.... yes, I've always liked that word..... can be used in many different scenarios...

I mean : A political sysmetrix skin... Hello ???

Unfortunate subject matter to start with >

Me ?

No.... them!

"Unfortunate subject matter to start with"; so much for art.

So in the end, art can't contain political statements, but art criticism can, and not even bother to reference the work in question... I'm not following how this issue is 'grey'. If the site feels flags or military images are "asking for it", post such and let people go elsewhere. Bullets are bullets. I didn't see hell raised over Russ's combat vehicle.

re: the item linked in post #4, all that is is a US flag, and look at the comments he has to look at...

saito80 is exiled, but his "death to the United States " and "I hope that your friends die in combat or are taken like prisoners death to all the North Americans around the world " statements are still there.

That author has to either delete his work or tolerate all that hateful diatribe when he gives someone a link to his work here. If I had to delete a work because of inappropriate comments, I dunno if I would bother to reupload it.

The issue isn't whether or not the work is troubling to you, art often is. The point here is the ranting arguments in the comments are inappropriate, and some are purposefully offensive. I mean, how often do we see the word "faggot" allowed here, regardless if it is used for irony or not. As much as I have seen DevArt dissed for its chaos, I would have never supposed there'd be this much 'tolerance' here.

bakerstreetL saito80 is exiled, but his "death to the United States " and "I hope that your friends die in combat or are taken like prisoners death to all the North Americans around the world " statements are still there.

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At least one of his 9/11 comments remains... (he seemed to suggest that he knew another was coming). Still, Jafo said he was on it and some things take time.....

Not usually, goodmorphing. We have had stern warnings recently about using the word 'gay' in a derogatory manner, and here we have someone saying "I say we go kill those faggots!" and going on their merry way untouched. I don't care if it is for shock value or for irony's sake, that sort of behavior has never been allowed here, and for some reason in this case it is.

I mean "stupid login, stupid war" is bad enough, but it is a shame that guy has to tolerate much worse when all an admin has to do is delete them.

Now I am really curious what would happen if someone would post skins with german flags all over the place...

Nevertheless I am all for removing those offending comments as they are deeply violating some rules and are very offending.

And as for Dangeruss' wall : I see nothing related to this war on it, I just see what it is : A damn good render of a futuristic military vehicle... And he even stated that in his description.