yay i wont be in england during the war! yay lol i will be in france !

I call them as I see them and I could care less what you think of that....and I find it really strange how a country that claims they don't have WMD and chemical weapons would now use them if they are attacked. Isn't that strange to any of you? It's even worse for me to think that countries (France) who said that the US has not proved that Saddam poses a threat is now hearing it from the horses mouth that he will in fact use these weapons.

The reason France will help "now" is to save face because they new all along that Saddam had them but they didn't want to play ball....it's simply a matter of not being told "I told you so" by the US making them look bad.

How would we know if Saddam actually left? Doesn't he have like 100 look alikes that he uses?

Not giving my opinion. Just posting another opinion from a poll.

Paxx, actually what France said was: "If the war starts and if (President) Saddam Hussein uses chemical or biological weapons, it would change completely the situation for the French president and for the French government, and President (Jacques) Chirac will have to decide what we will do to help the American troops to confront this new situation."

It's a bit vague since they said that they will *then* need to decide what they will do.

Saddam already stated that he has no plans of leaving, so it really is just a matter of when things will happen at this point.

Even if Sadam leaves Iraq the US President has made it clear that they intend on going into destroy weapons of mass destruction and would seek Iraq's co-operation in doing so. to suggest that they would drop bombs on bagdad if they left is wrong and out of context.

To be hoest there is nowhere he can go....he's alienated his neighbors, attacked others. It's not like he can call the Ayatollhah and ask him if he can crash in the spare bedroom.

GA, I know exactly what you're saying.
Certain members of the Australian Media in Iraq are really pissed because they are being ordered out.
Tough about that, the Media have no place in a War Zone and they have no concept of how they are compromising our Intel Sources by chasing 'the big story' .... I never had much time for Maggie Thatcher but her stance re the media and the Falklands Campaign was brilliant.
The Navy controlled communications ergo the navy controlled the media .... the conduct of warfare should be right out of the hands of politicians and civilians.
And yes, it's a different picture you and I are getting by the hour.

Karma: how is that different than what I said? It's not vague. He said he would help. He didn't say he would then see IF he would help, but HOW he would help.

media in a war zone??? there are over 600 US reporters over there.

i picked up my newspaper yesterday and found that someone in my neck of the woods painted "scum, go back to France" on the garage door of a French immigrant lady in town. "Freedom fries" may have had a trace of humor in it, but this definitely isn't funny.

When Lord Cornwallis would have escaped from Yorktown in the Revolutionary War, the French fleet blockaded the coast and left him with no choice but to surrender and end the war. If he had escaped with his army, there is no telling how much longer the war would have gone, and even what the ultimate outcome might have been. People should remember this. ( yeah, yeah, they gave us a few "headaches" during the French and Indian Wars, but we're still buds).

bkb, did you happen to catch SNL? They said "people are calling French fries "freedom fries". In response, France is calling American cheese "idiot cheese"." I thought that was pretty cute. People can be pretty stupid.

what's good for the goose..

paxx - here's a quote on patriotism from my old man
"Most patriots don't prove out to be blind followers,
but most blind followers seem to also be patriots."

All jokes aside I think everyone here is pretty cool and regardless in the differences of opinion we are all still a community of artists whether novice or expert and I just hope we stick together.

If we can unite when another site is flat out ripping the work of artists who belong to WC and we as one voice flat out shut them down, then I would hope and pray we can make it through our "separate lives" together....I hope that makes sense.

" picked up my newspaper yesterday and found that someone in my neck of the woods painted "scum, go back to France" on the garage door of a French immigrant lady in town"

That is really bad...

yeah, that really sucks....

I'm all for France supporting the US, but ultimatly it's their choice not to, and I can't really fault them for not wanting a war in their back yard.

The thing I can't stand are the American's who over-react and make everything bad like the person you mentioned c242... All that "If you don't support America then go to Iraq" crap gets old really fast. I'm American, I have been for years, and my family for generations. I love America, but I don't always agree with everything it does....

That doesn't make me anti-American, just concerned about America.

I hate seeing that. People being treated in-humane because of association. Yeah I may not like the French government but I respect her people. I guess there is a fine line that people can cross so easily. Sorta reminds me of peace rally's....sorta ironic how peacenics riot or fight at these rally's when they are there in the first place for no war, or no fighting.

I was once spat at in Berkley, CA (Bezerkley for us military folk) simply because I was a Marine. It made me think, am I gonna die so that this person has the freedom to spit on me? Makes me sad but I then think of those that I love and care about most and I guess I find comfort in that I would do it for them

/ME has much community love right now

well there is going to be a war, so...no matter what your opinions on war are, let's be sure to give our support and prayers to all the soldiers from all the countries who are participating. Also to all the other support folks.

I'll still support.

I hate the war, and I don't think we should be going, but it's not my choice. IMO, America is in the wrong just as much as Saddam. On the bright side, this will at least end the whole standoff we've been having, and that may be worth it.

Are we talking 50/50 or 20/80. Is it wrong for the US to finally put an end to a regime who practice what I listed a few posts ago. How can you say we are in the wrong? How are we wrong? Statements like that with zero reference is probably what makes people upset.

Well Green Armani, thats what happened when we came back from NAM. They couldn't wait for us to get into the airport. Called us baby killers and spit on us.

ah, my bad.

I agree Saddam is not a good person, and his regime is wholly inappropriate, and he should not be in power.

I disagree that the US should be the one to do it since we have little support from contries in the area (since it is their turf (for lack of a beter word), and not in our locale). Granted, we depend on the oil from Iraq and other countries there, so we have some times, but it's the same as me going and stealing from someone across town because he stole from his neighbor.

I know, crappy example, but it's the way I see things about this. I'm a strong believer that there is always a way that doesn't involve war (being a pacifist), and from what I've seen and heard from papers, articles and radio, I get the impression we barely tried anythign but threats. I see the US being a bully to Iraq.

Saddam isn't a nice guy, and I dislike him completely, but I don't think America has the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. If we do that, then I really feel that the US would be no better than Saddam has been.

Just my opinions though as to why I dislike the war. Right or wrong, I can't support the war and be honest with myself.

hmmmm....

Is Saddam someone who you would trust to disarm? As against the war that I am no one on my side has yet to say Saddam has no weapons and prove it, that Saddam has a stable country, that Saddam treats his people fairly, thats Saddam's military wouldn't just sell or give weapons on the open black market.

Can someone give me something that clearly states that peace has a chance against Saddam?

I respect your opinion because that is how you are feeling regardless of what is factual but you have to be honest to yourself about what is really going on.

I hear that line about oil and all that but does anybody know where the US gets the majority of it's oil? I can tell you it's not the middle east. Anyway.....being a pacifist is one thing but being ignorant is another.