hehe Paxxy and that's cuz you're always searching for the truth and somehow you know it's there too...
I know it's all there but I really really hate reading so God has to speak to me other ways but I'm always blasting my tunes so he does not get to far w/ me... hehe

Well, Doreen, not really. I actually do think it's a great book.

welll you must! you read it 2-3 X's! I have not read it through even once! hehe
(maybe someday I will)

Adam and Eve were like children today, innocent "of" evil, as they had yet to recognize that evil as well as good exists. They were seperated by each through choice made very clear. But they chose to disobey a simple command through temptation, cunning and deceit. When they discovered this after the fact, then they were no longer innocent and began upon the road to choosing whom or what they will serve, being banished from the only place where they could have lived free and innocent.

Just as children today who become no longer innocent, means becoming responsible for their own actions and choices. All we as parents and adults can do is to see that they remain on a straighter path in this world and be there to guide them when they veer off that path. For us to neglect this responsibility, will only lead to the childs destruction which we will be held responsible for, while allowing evil another foothold in this world.

We have available the power to ensure that evil never gains the upper hand though it exists. If it does gain the upper hand, then we have only ourselves to blame and not GOD, for not using that power, freely available to us.

dang, done typed and deleted 6 times now....

-=[ MUM'S the WORD ]=-

I find it 'ironic' that the forbidden fruit was knowledge...how 'convenient' (she says in "Church Lady" voice). He-he

I think faith is a very good and important thing to the human spirit...but to not ever feel safe to question it...to not 'delve' further is blindness but to have no faith is without sight just as much so...

/me grew up with a very religious "holy-roller" Christian mother...it did her absolutely NO good...

If someone uses religion as a 'front' to mask their own demons and take advantage of children (especially the poor and the meek ones) then that is truly evil... There are many belief systems...and many can use those beliefs as a means to do/believe good or do/believe evil... It's all how it's used and interpreted in the end.

/me thinks Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream is the most evil of all! Especially when it shows up on her thighs! Okay, THAT and Red Robin's Steak Fries! Oh salvation from fast food...where art thou?! He-he!

religion is subjective and the bible is a creation of huamns, men at that... and also subjective tool used to keep women as second class citizens, children as chattle and men in power...

Honor thy mother and father, sure if they earn it...

Thou shalt not kill, but what he really meant was Thou shalt not Murder? rather presumptious don't you think?

faith is good, belief is also... religion is the opiate of the masses and the helms man of the vote and pocket book. Also a neat and simple manner in which to make sure women stay in thier place...

anyway...

ok mum isn't the word for those moments, but enough of it from me...

on to good and evil, don't need no bible or god for reasoning that... its a human condition without the need of crutches...

#138 by Developer joetheblow - 3/12/2003 10:26:06 AM

"With the Hitler (and others more or less) situation, what I was saying is that the people who followed them felt they where 'right' or they were on the good side. They weren't saying, "Hey lets join him and spread evil all across the land."

Let me clarify... while I might think guys like him and there acts are extremely bad, I am not saying that I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I am right (I am not a judge or jury on all things in the Universe). It is my belief that I am right.

I could point to many facts as to why I feel I am right; why their actions were bad and opposing action is good, but nevertheless, in the end does it mean it truly was Evil?

The people who followed Hitler most likely felt they were right. They most likely felt that they were destroying the forces of "Evil" by doing there actions in the camps and racist views. I am sure that they were not thinking, "Hey lets join him and spread evil all across the land." They could point to many facts as well is they want and still feel they are just as right as I am.


But this is where it gets dirty... if they won and continued that way of life (killing, murder, suppression, racism), in the end would they have been defeated by someone else to change the way of life on Earth or would that type of society self destruct?

I believe that Hitler's way of seeing things would ultimately ended in self destruction (either of that society or of the Earth's human population)


Freedom and rights for all individuals seems the way to go when it comes to a society. Is it Good? I think so, BUT that doesn't mean it can not end in the same result. It would just take longer with more of a chance for the human race to possibly live to be enlightened even further.

Hitler was actually a Hero of WWI and was given the equivliant of the Medal of Honor...

Durring a barrage with gas and High Explosive's, something like 50 men blinded and hardly able to breath, he also almost totally blind, formed them up into a line hand to shoulder and he led those men, each and everyone of them, out of that barrage and down deserted roads until they found medical treatment a town away while in the hospital recovering three officers who had paid for their commision came in and tried to get him to join their revolt against the leaders of germany. They were number one, Jewish and number two part of the communist party of all things, that is where is hatered of both peoples came about from. It festered over a long period of time and personal failures while attempting to become an artist.

He would go to the art school every so often and present his new work for consideration only to be told he wasn't good enough, and yet he was also always pointed in the direction of someone who would purchase even his work for something so he could have money for food and a place to flop. Well the art dealers tended to also be jewish, so even more hate built upon what he already held and on it went until he found himself in the brown shirts... wild huh?

His father was a minor civil servant and when he died provided his mother and siblings a small retirement check which they lived off of, Hitler used to do odd jobs and such to offset the lack of money and also supply himself with paper and pencils when he could. Even then as a young teen he dreamed of being an artist...

I've the two book bio on Hitler by a jewish author, who really did a fantastic job because he did not let personal emotion get in his way of recovering as much of the truth of Hitlers life and presenting it without coloring it, so people could learn to see what makes a Hitler and a leader of a NAZI party...

Even he started out with nobel ideals and christianity as his faith...

It's not so simple really, he was many things even though he died a evil occult worshiping zelot and beyond wackybobo...

I think we read into the Adam and Eve thing o much. I think the idea was to say that the aquired knowledge and because of that they became aware of the many options and thoughts that were available to them. Knowledge of all those things (whatever those things are) is not guided wisdom. Also they did not understand thier newly aquired knowledge either.

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Yes, the bible was written by humans. I am not sure why people think it was not. I believe (I could be wrong) that in the text it says that. John, Luke, Paul... all there stories.

Now the question should actually be is if God is an artist and She makes a painting, isn't that painting a piece of Him? Wouldn't you say there way a control factor in most (not all unless She wanted too) of how the painting looked?

Windowblinds changes the way your GUI looks; millions of combonations and styles... is it not still Windows?

well stated

oops -wrong page - scratch that post above.

"All scripture is God breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God might be mature, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

In the few places where Paul interjected his personal opinion into the inspired text, as when he spoke of marriage, he invariably inserted the advisory "but this I say by way of permission, and not by commandment." so that the reader knew he was seeing a Pauline opinion.

I read the phone-book....fantastic cast, lousy plot....

mr Jafo silly man, Mel Gibson should have got the lead!

/me wonders what people would abuse to jsutify their actions with had Constantinus (or Constantine for the anglosaxons) not made this christian sect the official state religion for political purposes

/me also wonder why people blindly believe in what they are taught, completely disregarding other sources, without even knowing a damn thing

/me can't stand religious justification

/me cannot fathom craeonics' infatuation with the third person self...

Well, Caesar spoke of himself to the third person. And so does craeonics.

phonebook

now I got my own bible, and they drop the new one off twice a year, though it looks kinda goofy that butter yellow color..

Discovery Civilization has a docu on Byzantium " Constinople " and it being destroyed nad plundered in 1204... right now...

something about the fragments of the true cross which jesus died upon, and also the alter at St Marks, and the throne room...

How the ruler was not rulling by the will of God, he WAS the will of God..

kinda of wild..

Kinda like the Pope, huh?

#156 (Shmoopy*)just love that one!!!

hehehehe yup

Actually, a lot of civilisation believed their ruler was a God. The Egyptian Pharoe for example.

About the artifacts, it was a huge commerce in the Middle Ages. The selling and buying of religious artifacts was very common and people spent fortunes upon them. Artifacts included parts of holy objects (such as a piece of the holy cross) or even human remains (such as a piece of bone of a dead Saint). Creepy.