Will things ever change?

I just saw a segment on Good Morning America where they spoke to two groups of very young children White/Black "terms they used". They were asked mostly about their feelings about the other group and the answers were sad enough. The reason I am writing this is because of one question given and the answers received.
Question... " Wouldn't it be nice if you could not see the color of people and everyone was just all mixed up."
Answer... " That would be really, really bad."
Question..." Why?"
Answer... " Because then you would not know who your friends were."

This is not a thread to be answered in any way, I think one emoticon sums it all up.
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Interesting anecdote:
Last night, we were watching a movie and there were two persons on the screen, a white man and a black man. Note that the black guy was wearing a blue shirt.
My son, at some point when the black guy was running, asked me:
- Why is the man running?
- Which man? (I was curious to hear how he would describe him)
- The man with the blue shirt.

Now, any "grown up", racist or not, would have described him as "the black man" or "the man with the dark skin". But it is interesting that children don't see this as a distinguishing trait any more than the hair color. In the case of my son, it was much more obvious to describe the shirt color.

Why do we grow up to learn that there are skin differences?
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Actually Paxx, while I'm not trying to sound like I'm tooting my own horn - but chances are I would have mentioned the shirt colour before even thinking of the colour of his skin. Why? Despite decades of society and my peers trying to force upon me the differences in peoples' skin colours - my father (from a very early age,) made a very active effort to make sure that I never saw skin colour as just that - the colour of a persons' skin, and as people go, ultimately inconsequential.

I guess I'm lucky - both for him, and for the fact that with essentially the rest of the world working against that 'view' - it still stuck with me all these years.

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Good for you kthxbye! I applaud your dad!
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Same here, Paxx. Every day of my life! ^_^

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Think it has to matter in witch 'enviroment' you grow up, dasn't matter here in holland, the population is about 70% blanc, and 30% other (hehe, don't let me catch on that one) but isn't it easyer when you name the skin color to recognise?
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Not to start a war, because I certainly don't want to start one, but I personally don't think it's inherently bad to notice the differences between people, no matter their skin-color or whatever else... It's what you teach your children to do with that information that makes it good or bad.

As long as you teach your children that the differences between people is what makes the human race so beautiful, and that a difference doesn't mean less or more, then everything is okay.

I believe people should embrace their differences, not try to hide them under a cover of 'blindness' to avoid politics.

Just my 2 cents
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SoundGuyDon: it depends. If the difference is relevent or not.
One might ask if the hair colour would be notice as much as the skin colour.
To come back to my case, if both men would have been white, but one would have been blonde (with a blue shirt) and the other brown haired. Would one have answered "The blond guy" or "the man with the blue shirt"?

Same kind of story:
When I was a kid (about grade 3), I had a birthday party and invited al my best friends from school. My best friend was named Michael, and I often talked about him at home. When Michael showed up at my party, my mother said to me:
- You never told me that Michael was black.
- But he's not black! He's my friend!

For a reason that I can't understand now but that made perfect sense then, I could not see the difference between Michael's skin color from another guy's. He was just my friend, that's all I could see.
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It's when the differences are used in a negative connotation ("You never told me that Michael was black") that is the problem. If a person is identified as "that black guy over there in the corner", or "that oriental guy..." or whatever... that is not, inherently, a bad thing. It is when a prejudice is brought along with it that it becomes a bad thing.

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I dunno.
I think the best is still not to see the difference.
Kids teach us something. Why is it that they don't see the difference? Why is it that we learn to see it? Is the difference so important that we have to LEARN to see it?
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but that's my point, kinda.... There is a difference between a red shirt and a blue shirt and dark skin and light skin... It's the *meaning*, the *implication*, of the difference that has always been the problem. There is nothing wrong with difference, it should be celebrated. Just without all the racial crap that goes along with it.

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Kids see the difference...they don't see the other stuff.

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*blinks*

Type in a long, rambling sort of post - and then reread it and realize it makes utterly no sense whatsoever. *sighs* I need coffee.

In the end - skin colour, to me, is no different from the colour of a persons' eyes, or hair, or even their handedness anyway. We're all humans above all else, after all. ^.^


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yea its not like your saying the guy with the green teeth
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I have Blond Hair and Blue eyes.. Remember the history on that?

Same with your religion

Basically it comes down to, if they aren't like you in any way then f^@* them. But it only deals with certain issues. They don't see the one thing that is common within all of us. We are all human. Made of flesh and bone. We also bleed the same.

A good song for this is ( DC Talk - "Colored People" ) It's Christian music.
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Pardon me, your epidermis is showing, mister

I couldn't help but note your shade of melanin

I tip my hat to the colourful arrangement

Cause I see the beauty in the tones of our skin



We've gotta come together and thank the maker of us all



We're colored people, and we live in a tainted place

We're colored people, and they call us the human race

We've got a history so full of mistakes

And we are colored people who depend on a Holy Grace



A piece of canvas is only the beginning

It takes on character with every loving stroke

This thing of beauty is the passion of an artist's heart

By God's design, we are a skin kaleidoscope



We gotta come together, aren't we all human after all?



Ignorance has wronged some races

And vengeance is the Lord's

If we aspire to share this space

Repentance is the cure



Well, just a day in the shoes of a color blind man

Should make it easy for you to see

That these diverse tones do more than cover our bones

As a part of our anatomy

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I hope this doesn't sound rasist but I think society fosters separatism. All this quota stuff, Black History month, Latino entertainment awards. Black entertainment awards etc. etc. I'am a mexican american, afro american so on and so on. Why can't we just be americans, humans, brothers and sisters. To me this isn't healthy. We should all start getting along before we start killing each other.

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Snarph went for the lyrics of the song I suggested.. Thanks.
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I'm a Norwegian-Scottish-English-Irish-American...my kids are all that plus Commanche.

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no problem weaksid today Martin Luther King day kinda appropriate
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I'd hate to be colorblind...I'd miss out on all the beautiful and diverse shades of skins...AND skinz

/me digs all the shades, baby... many forms of beauty are everywhere you look just so long as you're lookin'

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In remembrance


I Have A DreamI Have A Dream
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand,
signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great
beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the
flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long
night of captivity.
But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is
still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile
in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the
architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and
the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which
every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be
guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness.
It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar
as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred
obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check --- a check which has
come back marked "insufficient funds". But we refuse to believe that the bank of
justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in
the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this
check --- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the
security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America
of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling
off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make
real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and
desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the
time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time
to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of
brotherhood.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to
underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the
Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating
autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a
beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now
be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as
usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is
granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake
the foundation of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm
threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our
rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to
satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and
hatred.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and
discipline. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting
physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed
the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many
of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to
realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is
inextricably bound to our freedom. We can not walk alone.
And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot
turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "when
will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the
victim of unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as
long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the
motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as
long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We
can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro
in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not
satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and
righteousness like a mighty stream.
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and
tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have
come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of
persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the
veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned
suffering is redemptive.
Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back
to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our
northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.
I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and
frustrations of the moment I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in
the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true
meaning of its creed --- "We hold these these truths to be self evident, that
all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former
slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at
the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state
sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into
an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where
they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their
character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are
presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be
transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be
able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as
sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and
mountain shall be made low, and rough places will be made plains, and the
crooked places will be made straight,and the glory of the Lord shall be
revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the south. With this
faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope.
With this faith will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation
into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to
work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together,
to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new
meaning "My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land
where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let
freedom ring."
And if America is to be a great nation this must come true. So let freedom ring
from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty
mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of
Pennsylvania.
Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado.
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California.
But not only that --- let freedom ring from Stone Mountain in Georgia.
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every
mountainside, let freedom ring.
When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every
hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day
when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,
Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of
the old Negro spiritual,
Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!