Gun Ownership and Homocides

6 States With Most Guns and Homicides

By Cathryn Conroy, CompuServe News Editor
Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, West Virginia, Arkansas, which are the six states with the highest rates of gun ownership, have more than 21,000 homicides combined. That is nearly three times as many as the four states with the lowest rates of gun ownership, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New Jersey, according to a new study from Harvard University's School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts.

The study, which used U.S. Census data from nine regions and 50 states, implies "that guns, on balance, lethally imperil rather than protect Americans," lead author Dr. Matthew Miller told Reuters. "This inference is consistent with previous...studies that have found that the presence of a gun in the home is a risk factor for homicide, and starkly at odds with the unsubstantiated, yet often adduced, notion that guns are a public good." Reuters notes that the link between household gun ownership and homicide rate was found in all nine census regions, and at the state level it existed for all homicide victims older than age 5.

People who live in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, West Virginia, and Arkansas are more than three times as likely to be murdered and four times as likely to die from a gun-related homicide than people who lived in the low gun-ownership states of Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. In the six high gun-ownership states, about half of all households have firearms, compared with 13 percent of households in the low gun-ownership states. The Harvard team said they are not certain if the higher rates of household gun ownership are a cause or a result of the increased number of homicides. "It is possible, for example, that locally elevated homicide rates may have led to increased local gun acquisition," they write in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health where the research was published.



Throwing a bone to Jafa

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This has been done to death. Nothing would be accomplished by doing it again.
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Like I said, jus' thrown' a bone to Jafa

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No offense, but the numbers are stupid anyway. The last *total* I saw for homicides in the US ( 2000 ) was: 16,137. That's guns, knives, vehicular homicide, etc.

Saying that there are 21,000 gun homicides for 6 states is kind of stupid, no? Maybe in a ten year sample. here's a good link: ( http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005110.html ), and another: ( http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm )

People spend a lot of time twisting numbers to their benefit, and none of it changes anyone's mind. I respect Jafo's beliefs, and I personally don't want to argue with him any more about it. It makes sense when the topic is 'at-hand', i.e. forced upon us by some shared tragedy, but picking fights is needless.

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Yes, lets no go there anymore.
Besides, as the Harvard people pointed out, people could be buying a gun BECAUSE there are a lot of homicides, not the other way around. Or it could be a combination of both.
As everybody knows, I am against gun ownership, but I can be fair when need be: this study doesn't prove anything.
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Note, from another article on the study I found they included suicides in their gun deaths count.

I have a hard time believing this low grade stuff came out of Harvard.

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A fairly good thread in response to this article. http://slate.msn.com/default.aspx?id=3936&m=5135793 Note: Passport required to participate in this thread.

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the misspelling of "homicide" in the thread title is going to give some the wrong impression.
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Jobeleca...

The word is 'homicide'...and my 'name' is JAFO.....and I removed the gratuitous translation of 'jafa'.

I'm not getting into another argument about a few hundred years of misguided social conditioning....[parting jibe]...

Try at least to get my Nick correct...
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listen to moonbeam... er... sunflower... er... Jafo.
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watch out for increase in sales of kitchen utensils
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I guess we're safe in Texas, where we have a concealed hand gun permit. I would hate to guess how many of us are carrying at any one time. Except for work I carry all the time.

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at least it was a better translation that what Jafa meant a few weeks ago

Yup, I caught the spelling error right after I clicked submit Somehow I knew you'd catch (and mention) it.

ttyl Jaf - um - o

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My Company makes kitchen knives. Anyone feel the need to make a purchase let me know

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Hi there, Jobe!
I own a hand gun, I know how to use it, I don't carry it anywhere, but I "pity the fool" who tries to
break into my home if I'm inside it at the time....

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unless he has a gun himself, in which case it'll be a nice showdown. May the quickest gun in the West win.
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If he got a gun, me jumping out the window to run!.....

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There are very few on this board who have had to use a weapon to kill another human.
Those who have not should consider themselves very fortunate. >

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I would add that anyone who has a handgun properly prepared to defend themselves in the US is probably in violation of law, or at least putting themselves in danger of liability. In many places guns are required to be in a locked container, with ammunition stored in a separate container. I would suggest strongly to anyone sleeping with a loaded gun in the dresser drawer to check their local gun laws. If you 'make it available' to someone who is gonna use it, even if they take it without your permission, you are probably gonna be liable, possibly criminally.

The kid who went on trial for killing a teacher recently stole the gun from a cookie jar in another house. The people he stole it from now owe the teacher's family 13 million dollars. Who knows what will happen on appeal, but if they get off completely fine-free, they still have to think about the dead teacher. Guns are about responsibility, before *and* after they are used. If you aren't responsible before, then you'll most certainly be held responsible after.
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Driving home today, I saw a two vehicle caravan for Biohazard Solutions (1-800-***-BLOOD). According to their vehicle signage, they specialize in suicide and homicide clean-up. What a job, no? Anyway they service a 3 state area Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas. Not by sheer coincidence these states report significantly higher gun ownership.

While I agree that people kill other people, not guns per se, the availability of the ubiquitous handgun makes it so much easier to do so. I believe that many suicides and homicides stem from the convienience of handguns. It's only a flick of an index finger... too damned easy if your nightstand has a weapon in it.
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If you own a gun, don't come calling on me. A man who feels he needs to own a gun is nothing more than the man who has to own a corvette because of his lack of manhood. I won't say anything more than this. There will never be a gun in my home so there will never be a man who owns one either. I agree with Dangeruss, a flick of an index finger can make a murderer out of someone who would not normally be one. >
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i don't feel the need to own a gun...i was a collector. some where never even fired.

but i'm in canada, and our gun laws are pretty heavy, and in a wee bit of a mess right now...

i just sold over 20 firearms as i couldn't be bothered with the mounting paperwork...

either way, as far as i know criminals STILL don't have to follow the gun laws

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Kimbabe - "A man who feels he needs to own a gun is nothing more than the man who has to own a corvette because of his lack of manhood"

i don't know or care about people's reasons for owning corvettes, but my gun ownership motivation has nothing to do with my manhood or lack thereof, and everything to do with my family's safety. If you're absolutely determined to attack those with different opinions, then at least try to put some thought value into the attack. Challenging someone's manhood and trying to verbally castrate him for simply holding an opinion that you don't approve of is not a mark of high intelligence.