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The 9 megabit problem (please read)

The 9 megabit problem (please read)

Since we moved to the subscription system we've been able to directly see how much bandwidth is used by subscribers/customers versus non-customers/non-subscribers.

Specifically:
Anyone who has purchased Object Desktop or any Stardock product or a WinCustomize subscription or is an apprentice or higher goes to a different high speed server than those who have not.

The problem is, the people who have not bought anything at all are now consuming about 9 megabits per second.

That's 6 T1's being used by people who are essentially non-contributing bandwidth consumers.

That's why the "Server is busy" message is coming up more and more often for these guys.

As you can imagine, 6 T1's of bandwidth is expensive. Especially when, not to use too fine a point, being used largely by free-loaders.

I'm not sure what the solution is. If we cap it, the site becomes unbearably slow and we don't want to punish people who are just trying out this stuff (i.e. legitimately seeing what this is all about versus people who just want to leech off the bandwidth).

Any suggestions?
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Reply #26 Top
-It's nice to know that as long as people aren't skinners here they are nobodys. Why even call it wincustomize.com when it should still be "skinz-something or other"...

Boy, I'm depressed.

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Reply #27 Top
might be a good time to stay away from the message boards

Whoa the vomit emoticon is gone

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Reply #29 Top
I was working on an icon set and now I'm trashing it... Back to hopeless 101

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Reply #30 Top
DS: Hang in there... Lord knows it ain't easy. You do good stuff, you'll get icons too.

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Reply #31 Top
Thanks werewolf...I'm just sad...not entirely from this thread of course (that would be pathetic)...just one of those icky days and this was the topper on the cake so to speak.

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Reply #32 Top
DS I had one of those the other day on the Marathon thread...it wasn't pretty. Everyone told me that it would pass, so I'm passing that on to you. Right now sucks, but later, sometime later, it won't suck so much

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Reply #33 Top
As a wallpaper artist (primarily), I think the wallpaper section should be left exactly as it is. I believe that any tampering with or removal of the wallpaper section will alienate many people who come here, myself included. I can't understand why some of you "look down" on that section, in my opinion that is where some of the best talent on this site lies. Wallpapers are the basis of any good looking customized desktop, and isn't that what we are in the business of doing, customizing our desktops?
Also, disabling a section would have an impact on the top 10 authors and downloads list, which is unfair, and rather makes a mockery of having the lists at all.

There has to be a better way of doing things. Restrict the freeloaders, who gives a toss about them? If they don't want to play fair, don't let them play at all.

I really would be seriously unimpressed with the restriction of any of the sections, I don't think it's the way to go.
Reply #34 Top
Thank you werewolf

And "Amen" Boxxi

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FWIW I rather like Jobeleca's suggestions. (Granted streamlining the webpages doesn't address the download issue, but it would make for faster page loading and browsing.)

I rather like the "one stop shopping" aspect of WC...skinners can have skins and matching walls here (and skins for other apps) or people can find walls to as they say, "customize" their desktop. At least requiring a site registration (which costs nothing) shouldn't be a problem, should it? And perhaps restricting the downloads per day for those registrants who aren't SD app registrants or WC subscribers? Something that allows people to use the site but makes it a bit more difficult or takes more effort (multiple registrations?) to just siphon stuff off the site wholesale.

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Reply #36 Top
Could the wallpaper section be limited to wallpapers featured in the screenshots of the different products? Just curious.
Reply #37 Top
Things have changed so much in the last 3 years with the introduction of home access broadband.It is more fun than a barrel of monkeys! It is also very expensive.I don't know why WC or StarDock have to mollycoddle anyone who does not understand this. I have dloaded many programs for a 3o day trial and many I have bought in less.Time the software out.If their not impressed enough to spend a measly 20$ after seeing what WB,Desktops,and such can do for their systems,then who really cares about these people? Not me.

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Reply #38 Top
D_S, Boxxi:

Join me now, at a small, humble restaurant.

The couple looks at each other, and then back to the man in the stained apron.

They say, " ...but all Mexican restaurants have free tortilla chips!."

"But please, I beg you. I can't afford it." the poor owner pleads, "You come and eat all the chips. I have good food. I work hard. If you keep eating just the chips the restaurant will close!"

In the back, the hiding, silent 'chef d' tortillas' leers triumphantly, assured his art is appreciated.

The couple huff simultaneously, enraged by the owner's heinous display of self preservation.

"Well, you may close, but we'll have our chips and salsa in the meantime, Jose'!!"

Manuel nods in defeat, a small tear welling up in his eye as he thinks of his Mother, far to the South. She waits for her ticket to America, to her great-grandchildren.

"Not this month, Mama" he says under his breath, roaming from table to table; each filled with people who drink only water, and eat only tortilla chips.

He's a chef, our Manuel; a master in the art of haute Tex-Mex. A man whose burrito even Bobby Flay would stand in awe of, and here we leave him. Manuel to some, Jose' to others. We leave him watching his dreams slip through hands calloused from years of scalding mole' sauce, and from ferrying ponderous trays of tortilla chips to the little round tables of the unfeeling.



( P.S. wtf? Frogboy said he wasn't getting rid of the section. You want drama? I got Drama out the wazoo. )
Reply #39 Top
I pity da foo-l

Auggie, don't worry I'll leave the tip this time just so long as you understand you were making a scene in the restaraunt and stop streaking in public, it's improper!

Ya know the sad part? Wanna really, REALLY know it? Cuz it's mighty sad....

I don't USE windowblinds, I find it irritating and a waste of my resources any longer, cuz when I'm working on projects it's just one more thing to suck ram. Ohhhh :O

The only eye candy I actually use is (No say it ain't so) WALLPAPER...

But, I gave money and did my part thinking...hey...this doesn't JUST have to be for getting "STUFF" this can *ALSO* be for GIVING stuff and contributing to a community that I'd like to be a part of. Geez...I love the instant "Ousting" of artists... Jeezus...we love you guys...we want to contribute and GIVE with NOTHING in return and we buy your products...we WANT to be a part of you...and now this? I'm so sad.

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Reply #40 Top
Do away with the Wallpaper section and a lot of us will no longer subscribe to this site, period!! >

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Reply #41 Top
If you don't want all the money I spend on Stardock products, that is your choice.

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Reply #42 Top
X-actly... sometimes artists subcribe here for a shot at showing what they have...and doing their best and PAY to be a part of the whole sh-bang.



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Reply #43 Top
Hey Bakerstreet maybe its not tortilla's causing the drain it maybe the napkins... lets prevent the use of napkins and hey how about forks who needs those at rush hour...

change the limit on downloads for non subscribers. its fair and doesn't effect the quality of the content on the site... I like my customized desktop to include walls.

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Reply #44 Top
okay, the peanut gallery didn't read the last line of my post, I guess. You didn't get it. The story wasn't about the tortilla chips, it was about the DRAMA.

Frogboy said:"I think maybe tomorrow we'll see just how much impact the wallpapers are having and disable that section except for customers/registered users."

I'm not seeing the confusion. What is there to form a sewing circle over?
Reply #45 Top
I came in late and didn't have time to read the whole thread....

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Reply #46 Top
Like Boxxi says... it will effect the downloads... top authors etc.
its not going to work and whats even more obvious is the fact the suggestion is already dividing the community.

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Reply #47 Top
§tatic : What's not gonna work? What is gonna change? You are acting like this is a big deal. You have to be logged in. So? People can't register? What do you have to have, one whole email address?

pfft. forget it. The point here is the drama, not actual circumstance.
Reply #48 Top
Wallpapers are esential to the design of the desktop itself. Doing away with the section well hurt all of us.


Have the wallpaper section viewable by everyone but downloadable for people who sign in, subscribe to the site or buy a product. Those who just want to look around get 4 downloads and thats it.


DesktopX has some big files so I think files over 3mb can not be downloaded unless you sign in. Then implement the 100mb cap for those who really don't do anything for the community except download stuff.


WindowBlinds needs to be the way it is. Just keep the cap on it at 100mb (I still think it should be 150). And stop bugging poeple after 5mb of downloads.... wait until 15mb. All that does is annoy people. But if it was 15 then it would be easier to say,"hey, since your downloading so much why don't you become a member?" And show them why it would be good to do so.


I don't agree with removing Winamp and WMP but I have to admit that it is not as important as giving other community apps a chance. (like SysMetrix, Beatnik, QuickNotes, etc..) I also don't think Winamp and WMP is that popular on this site. You can find way more styles elsewhere. I still feel though that to have the whole desktop expierince you need some apps from other places. There are other media player apps but those are most known and have become part of the desktop scene. Maybe at another point in time they should be removed, but not now.


6 T1's? Off of one server? I was wondering about that; How does a connection work? One server has how many processors? How many connections? Just wondering... Also it might be an idea to tell people other places to get themes or wallpapers from.

Go to DeviantArt!
Go to DeskMod for more!!
Join the Wincutomize community for more!!!!!!

Feel free to use that, by the way. Just trying to help.



One stop shopping... that is another reason to have apps like Winamp or WMP and wallpapers. Good on sig101.
Reply #50 Top
I think the point is that all content on the site should be treated the same. So if you only have to be logged in to permit the download well fine thats cool... but its not cool if that restriction in only on wall. >

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