Hmmm. I don't agree. I think the whole point of life is to give souls a playground in which to interact with one another. If we were all aspects of the same soul, what would be the point?

A man can learn much more about himself from having a conversation with another than he can from staring into a mirror...

Why should there be a point?

"I don't consider myself to be anymore different from my dog..." - craeonics

Sit Crae! Rollover! Goodboy.

Count me in with the other Christians

I believe in life after death. Hell is being without God for eternity, Heaven is being with Him for eternity.

Well...here're the versions I've heard.

1. You go to Heaven and become perfect
2. You go to hell and burn for eternity
3. You go to Heaven and you become some sort of a god/goddess in training.
4. You go to Hell and the demons cuts off your tongue if you lied and cuts off anything else if you did wrong.
5. I've heard you resurrect and keep coming back to earth until perfect has been achieved.
6. I've heard you just wonder the earth for the rest of your soul life and make people freak out.
7. Some say you turn into vampires

Anymore?

Erm..believe me..I didn't make those up

MisterME,
Did I wrote anything about mirrors?
Of course, there are mirrors but other mirors than those you mention. The mirrors beetwen Macrocosmos-cosmos-microcosmos, the mirrors beetwen soul and personality e.t.c. Think about it.
Think the souls like the cells of your body, but don't forget the relation they have with your Self.

It is not the right place for expounding theories and the english language does'nt help me for that.
Any way I like your thoughts


Draginol,
This not only a religion discussion, we are talking about our existence and I think that everybody is interesting about it

"You go to Heaven and become perfect"

I know this is only a reiteration of a definition you heard but I just wanted to respond to that statement.

By going to heaven does not make you perfect by anymeans. Only God is perfect. If you remember, Lucifer was an angel. And as we can all see now, he was not perfect.

hehe..it's only what I've been told . Just stating it word for word they say .

Well, if simply believing or not believing in something sets you up then I guess I'm partially safe. I certainly don't believe in hell.

The concept of 'eternal punishment' doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me and I tend to think it would be extremely difficult for a normal human being to commit any true offenses against any god(s and goddesses) you might believe in. OTOH, I imagine a lot of those religious doctrines are great for keeping people in line who couldn't go around being 'good' on their own without the promise/threat of some sort of reward/punishment at the end of it all.

I have a friend who believes that anyone can become a god/goddess. Actually, she has some rather eclectic religious beliefs now that I think about it but they helped her survive two bouts with cancer when she wasn't expected to so I won't be the one to knock them.

I've also heard others mention the idea that you finally become 'perfect' or your 'perfect self' in the afterlife. Perhaps it's a common belief, maybe just wishful thinking. lol

Of course, where T-Man might think such a belief is 'wrong' according to his own religion we should keep in mind that it may not be wrong for those of other religious paths.

I agree with the janitor

I'm just going to let it be a suprise.

T-Man,

The idea of reaching perfection in Heaven comes from simple association in the Bible. Heaven is a place without sin. Sin is what makes man imperfect. Therefore, man is perfect in Heaven because he can't, by definition, harbor sin in Heaven.

That's the way I was taught, growing up Nazarene (a strict "holiness" Protestant denomination).

Of course, I've always had a hard time with this logic. You cannot be sinful in Heaven. Also, you cannot be unhappy in Heaven. But if you go to Heaven, and (say for instance) your wife doesn't, wouldn't you miss her? And be unhappy in her absence? And be concerned for the tormet she's suffering in Hell? (Assuming, of course, that you don't *want* you wife punished in Hell for all eternity...) It has always rubbed me the wrong way that Heaven makes you incapable of feeling the loss of a loved-one. It's almost like Heaven strips you of your humanity... No thanks.

Last time I died I didn't remember the whole experience but did bring the memory of my death in the form of a dream that reoccurred constantly while I was an infant.

Later in life I was lucky enough to have a Tibetan Monk take me through the whole experience conciously. It was refferred to as 'realizing the dream state'.

After death there was a void - absolute nothingness - except I was still aware. A tiny sensation in what seemed like a distant point in the void caused the sensation of motion, which caused an acceleration towards the point, which caused a skin to form around my awareness in relation to the motion which went extremely fast as I was pulled up and held upside-down by my feet in a bright room. And then I let out a cry that filled my lungs with air and made the world feel perfect.

earth, water, fire and air
met together in the garden fair,
put in a basket, bound with skin.
If you answer this riddle,
you'll never begin....

MisterMe why would you "want" to grieve in Heaven? By the time you leave this world you should be pretty full and ready to try something different.
I don't really think I'm going to make it to Heaven, but if I did I certainly don't want to be grieving over anyone or feeling anymore bad feelings, I want to leave them all behind.

It's almost like Heaven strips you of your humanity...
by Scribe misterME - 10/13/2001 1:03:14 AM




Well that is the idea... hehe

Hmmm...I don't know. I guess I feel like *not* grieveing is simply, well, inhuman. And like I said, I'm not willing to give up my humanity.

Now, I appreciate the whole evolutionary thing. That we'll continue to evolve, and the face of humanity will change. But I don't think we'll ever grow out of emotions. At leat I hope not. To me, that's a very sad thing. The truth is, I *want* to feel.

And here's another something: What good is happiness when not contrasted against sadness or despair? Happiness loses its oomph when it's not in direct competition with sadness. So what's the point of being happy when you no longer hold the potential for sadness? Answer: None.

hmmm very good points MisterME

I thinkkkk since we wont be sinful humans anymore, the "need" to feel the pain will no longer exist, to know the difference of good and bad.
I think we only have that now, so we can see the difference and make some choices.

We will be Heavenly beings and perfect and so will our surroundings be.

One thing for sure we will "all" have our answers to these questions someday...

/I'm hoping if I make it there by some miracle, that I'll be able to fly hehehe

Swings n Roundabouts......
wot we do down here, is a reflection of wot happens to us up their
Try your best to be a good kid.....
its a cusion for old age

Peace,Light & Prosperity

Doreen,

You can fly now! Just throw yourself at the ground real hard and miss.

(BTW, it takes a couple of tries...)

hehe nah I think I'll wait to check that out alil later when and if I get to Heaven...

If you are a good person in life, you will be remembered, missed, and loved in death, ergo, you will live on...in the hearts and memories of others.
For yourself, before you die, you will know that you will be remembered....that is the 'heaven'.
As for you as an animal, there is nothing.

I may sound a little deep and meaningful.....one of the riders at the GrandPrix meeting was killed on Saturday in one of the local support races.

Life is precious...it deserves respect....