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I am very interested in Sins of a Solar Empire. I had played VGA Planets some years ago (http://www.vgaplanets.com/index.htm)  and loved it. Since then I have played several other 4x games, but nothing captured that multi-player game play that VGA planets did.

 

I have visited the website and started reading reviews - however I had some questions.

 

1. I see that there is a NEW game coming out - Rebellion, should I wait for that or purchase trinity?

2. I see two expansions already - are they for Trinity or will they be included in the new game?

3. I see this is a hybrid RTS / 4x game. While I appreciate RTS games - I am not looking for a "click-fest" (ala Starcraft or Homeworld) - I am open to RTS in general.

4. How would you compare this to other 4x games (Armada 2526, Distant Worlds, etc.)?

5. If you have played VGA Planets - how would you compare this?

6. I see it is multiplayer - can it be played single player?

 

Thanks for you comments and suggestions.

 

Regards....

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1. I see that there is a NEW game coming out - Rebellion, should I wait for that or purchase trinity?

2. I see two expansions already - are they for Trinity or will they be included in the new game?

3. I see this is a hybrid RTS / 4x game. While I appreciate RTS games - I am not looking for a "click-fest" (ala Starcraft or Homeworld) - I am open to RTS in general.

4. How would you compare this to other 4x games (Armada 2526, Distant Worlds, etc.)?

5. If you have played VGA Planets - how would you compare this?

6. I see it is multiplayer - can it be played single player?
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1. It depends really. The best deal for your money is probably to wait for Rebellion, but obviously you can't play in the mean time. You do get $10 off the expansion if you have Trinity/Diplomacy however, so if you intend on getting Rebellion that makes it a bit cheaper. They occasionally have sales of Trinity for $20 on Impulse, so once you factor in the Rebellion discount its pretty much a $10 game.

2. Trinity is the base game plus the two expansions (Entrenchment and Diplomacy). We know Rebellion will have the features from these expansions but we don't know if you will be able to play them seperately.

3. Most people will agree that Sins is no where near as big of a click fest as Starcraft (I actually never played homeworld). Your unit AI will do a decent job of fighting units they are good against, and the UI allows you to issue production and to a degree even attack orders without moving your actual camera (once you learn to use it). That said, the more you micromanage your fleet the better it will perform, which while overkill against AI is a factor online. Thus players who can quickly give good commands have an advantage, but it by no means ensures they win the game like with starcraft, especially with the 5v5 games the mutliplayer community prefers that tend to reduce the importance of these individual advantages with more strategic considerations.

6. Yes, in fact most people play the game just single player (especially with all the mods for it). The mutliplayer community is actually fairly small but with lots of elite players who have been playing regularly or semi-regularly for years. Thus it can be quite hard for new players to break onto the scene if they aren't willing to get utterly annihilated for a while until they pick of the finer points of the game. That said, hopefully Rebellion will bring lots of new or returning players who will be no where near as good, which should make it easier to get into or if you start playing now will ensure you are at least a veteran if not a good player by the time its released.

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1. This is up to you, owners of trinity receive a $10 discount on preorders of Rebellion, and it is expected to revitalize the online community.

2. Trinity is the base game with the 2 expansions.

3. While clicking faster will help at the higher levels of game-play its nothing like the click-fest of SC2.

4. I've played a lot of 4X and RTS games I still play sins and I play it more then any other game.

5. Never heard of it.

6. Yes you can play single player; however there is no campaign so you can play the AI in *skirmish* mode. I personally prefer mulitplayer because when you play AI they don't try to trick or out-think you, they don't learn new things and expand their bag of tricks and tactics, if they are programed to make a move that never works out well for them they will always do it (even the most stubborn players on ICO evolve their strategies eventually). That being said sins has a limited single player experience (I almost regard it as an introduction to the game mechanics, but I've always liked multiplayer more-so then single player, your tastes may be the opposite) multiplayer on the other-hand is always changing and will remain challenging no matter how much you play and how good you are.

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5. If you have played VGA Planets - how would you compare this?
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VGA Planets is a totaly awesome game, but Sins doesnt quite play the same.

Sins bottom line is about fleet battles. So the economics and planet building take a back side to this.

I would say VGA Planets plays more like Star Ruler if your looking for RTS version of it.

 

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On the topic of #3 - I'd say Sins combat is most like Warcraft III in slow motion.  The reflex aspect isn't there and that makes it much less of a "click-fest" and a lot more about planning ahead and being proactive.  However, the multi-tasking aspect is very prominent.  The game is slow enough that you have more than enough time to manage everything, but the large scope of the game means that lots of stuff can be happening simultaneously. 

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1. I see that there is a NEW game coming out - Rebellion, should I wait for that or purchase trinity?

2. I see two expansions already - are they for Trinity or will they be included in the new game?
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Each expansion includes all of the contents of the previous expansions/versions, so, yes, Rebellion will include all of the content from the Original release, and the Entrenchment and Diplomacy expansions.  (Trinity isn't a game itself, it's just a fancy way of saying, "Sins of a Solar Empire Complete Collection--original plus both expansions.)

The standard price for Trinity on Impulse seems to be $20 now.  Whether you should wait for Rebellion is up to you.  Do you have a lot of free time in the next several months and would you enjoy playing Sins until Rebellion comes out?  If so then maybe you should get Trinity now for $20.  If you don't like it then you won't spend $30 more on Rebellion later.  If you really do like the game then you'll have only spent an extra $10 to be able to play Sins Trinity now and it won't bother you that much when you go to drop $30 on the Rebellion download.

3. I see this is a hybrid RTS / 4x game. While I appreciate RTS games - I am not looking for a "click-fest" (ala Starcraft or Homeworld) - I am open to RTS in general.
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In that case, Sins is probably right up your alley.  That's what I like about it too.  It's an RTS with 4x elements and it's not a clickfest, but still offers deep strategic and tactical elements.  It really shines in online multiplayer against human opponents.  (But note that the online player counts are low and that most of the people in the 5v5 and 4v4 PvP games are seasoned pros, and that last fact makes it hard for newer players to get into the online multiplayer game, but there are people who still overcome that adversity.)

4. How would you compare this to other 4x games (Armada 2526, Distant Worlds, etc.)?
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Comparing it to Civilization and Alpha Centauri, Sins is a very unique game.  One of the things I really like about it is that boring micromanagement has been almost completely eliminated.  You don't need to figure out which square of land to farm or mine in order to have the most efficiency, and you don't have to order your settlers/engineers to build roads and railroad tracks on every square.  It's definitely not nearly as tedious as those two famous 4x games.

6. I see it is multiplayer - can it be played single player?
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Yes.  99.5% of all Sins players seem to play it in single player.  That's kind of sad because the AI isn't a very good opponent and by playing it in single player you miss out on much of the strategic and tactical depth of the game.  The only significant advantages of playing it in single player is that you don't have to wait for games to fill, you don't have to deal with dropped connections or lag from other players, and you can play custom maps and mods.  However, single player comes at the expensive of the most important element of the game--the strategic challenge and suspense of playing against humans.