Patch help, odd message on installing 1.05.

The problem is 1.05 is an extremely old patch. The version of Sins that comes with Trinity is in fact newer, and there is no way to downgrade to that version.

If the mod is that old and hasn't been updated, you're probably not missing much.

I had the wrong version, the new one requires 1.051. However I can't find a place to download it either. Any help? Or am I still barking up completely the wrong tree?

Are we talking about original Sins or Entrenchment? If its original Sins there is nothing that can be done because you have 1.191 for that one. If its Entrenchment fully up to date Trinity should already have Entrenchment 1.051, so no patch is necessary all you need to do is run the Entrenchment.exe instead of the Trinity.exe in your SoaSE folder.

Yeah, you want to start the Entrenchment version. There is no 1.051 other than for Entrenchment.

I have Trinity, and my Entrenchment folder states I have version 1.042. Can I get a link to download 1.051?

Well that means you do not have the fully up to date version of Trinity. Register your game on Impulse. Then you'll get access to all the updates.

The computer I have Sins on doesn't have a better internet connection then Dialup. Is there an executable file for 1.051 that I can download seperately to install from a remote computer?

You can use the ImpulseArchive option. It downloads the latest game and then allows you to install on a computer not connected.

I don't want or have the time to download the entire game all over again, unfortunately. My broadband is finky at best.

Well time to pick the lesser of two evils then. Those are your options.

So there isn't an update that can actually be downloaded and installed seperately from the main game at all? I actually have to download the entire game in order to get a single measly little update?

As has been noted, Impulse autopatches the game when a new patch comes out. In this case, the relevant files that are altered, usually the executables and a number of .entity files, are downloaded in an archive, which is then unpacked into the appropriate directories, replacing said outdated files with the new ones.

It's an entirely automated process, so long as you run Impulse and have registered the game with Stardock.

IIRC, going from v1.00 to v1.191 was a few hundred megabytes. OTOH, going from the version in Trinity (v1.181/1.041 base Sins/Entrenchment, IIRC) to the current v1.191/v1.051 would be a couple of megabytes at most. Patch changes between 1.041 and 1.051 aren't particularly massive overhauls, just minor balance fixes and engine tweaks.

So you should be able to update it through Impulse relatively easily, despite having Dialup/poor broadband connections.

But to answer your question, separate patch executables have been discontinued since the full integration of Sins into Impulse, which occurred post v1.05 Base Sins. So v1.05 Base Sins is the most up-to-date separate patch installer available for Sins.

Obviously useless to you.

Alright, I've been unable to use my main for a while anyway for various reasons. So I'll go see how large a file I need to download. Thank you for the help and the information at least. I'm far more used to the older style of updates when autoloaders didn't exist or were developer toys at most. I find full-scale automatic patching too much to bother with, seeing as I don't dwell within reach of the advanced high-speed broadband towers that a lot of people take for granted.

Its now the way most video game companies are going. Its actually a decent way to keep piracy down (though it will never stop it).

I've more come to the conclusion that instead of keeping piracy down, more elaborate and complex security measures simply distil it. Look at Steam, designed as a copy protection system and cracked mostly on the same basis that I take issue with this kind of development system; it appeals to the vocal core of high-speed internet junkies but leaves the average rural computer user totally at a loose end, since you implicitly -need- the advantages of living very near a high-capacity broadband outlet in order to use them. Thus instead of preventing piracy, measures like this just segregate it out into more easily definable and recognisable factions.

Basically piracy and counter-piracy form their own little version of the Cold War. Whatever one side develops, the other side is obliged to counter as quickly as possible. Personally, I’ve found that the kind of people that pirate games are the kind that wouldn’t or couldn't buy them in the first place. While I applaud Stardock itself for not endorsing a massively convoluted and counter-productive system of copy protection, certain other franchises (looking at YOU here, Assassin’s Creed) do themselves no favours by demanding that their user base go through the rough equivalent of the maintenance checklist on a nuclear submarine every single time they actually play their games. It does nothing but make the corporations who oversee these franchises look like paranoid dictators and give potential pirates a wonderful privateer-esk motivation to rope in and pillage the capitalist merchantmen of their ill-gotten gains to return them to the underpaid middle and lower classes denuded of their rightful pleasures in life.

 . . .Okay, I’ve totally made a lecture out of all this and I really shouldn’t have, but its 6.30am with sleep still dancing just out of reach and nothing else to do but watch silly YouTube videos. So if I offended anybody, then I'm sorry.

I assure you if you can watch youtube videos on your internet connection its good enough to get the patch.

Copy game to comp with internet. Install Impulse and point it to the game. Update. Copy it back.

All with the magic of local network transfer OR portable storage media!

I'm using my laptop, that does not have Sins installed, nor is capable of doing so.

You can still use it to download Sins on to a flash drive. A 50 GB is cheap and is more then enough to give you what you need.