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Blog: Windows Media Player, WC4 stat features

Blog: Windows Media Player, WC4 stat features

The Windows Media Player team still just doesn't get it.  Or maybe they get it but their managers don't. I'm playing around with Windows Media Player 10 tech beta and it still has the basic flaws that every skinnable version of media player has had: It can't decide what it wants to be.

Is it a regular Windows app or a custom one? Wow, two title bars on one app. And it's still confusing to a dumb guy like me how to actually the skin. It should be way more obvious and those skins should affect the main app as well.

I keep finding myself back with iTunes even though it's technically not skinnable because at least it knows what it is. And as a practical matter though, it IS skinnable. 

If you have the DesktopX 2.2 beta (available to those who have Object Desktop) just download the widget and you can just run it as a regular program.  This is the part of DesktopX Stardock needs to really beat into people widgets don't have to be run as part of the DesktopX environment.  You can install DesktopX and NEVER run it. You can just load up widgets like any other program. The widget infrastructure in DesktopX is pretty ingenious, it works basically as if you installed an OS upgrade framework. It's more akin to the .NET framework except it's much smaller and more targeted and has no overhead and it doesn't throw anything into your Windows directories. It's very self-contained. That will be the drum we'll be beating loudly when DesktopX 2.2 comes out.  DesktopX widgets are EXEs. You run them like any other program.

Meanwhile the WinCustomize V4 stuff is coming along.  At launch, each WinCustomize subscribers will be able to activate a home page. Amongst all the other goodies such as being able to upload personal images (albums) the site will track all kinds of stuff for users.  Eventually Object Desktop users will also be able to activate home pages once we roll it out (i.e. having a WinCustomize domain will become part of the benefits for having an Object Desktop subscription as well but at first it'll be available only for WC subscribers).  WinCustomize subscribers will get personal libraries to upload many more personal images. 

Here are some of the incidentals:

Statistics to be displayed for users:

  • Downloads Total # (rank) Along with an itemization of each section they have something in (if 0 then don’t list)

  • Article Points (rank)

  • Tutorial points (rank) (tutorials being just a particular category of article)

  • Forum Points (rank) (Forums being a subset of the articles : General + OS Customization + Personal Computing

  • Itemization of Forums (and rank)

  • Skin Comments # (rank)

  • Average Rating (in stars) [Rank] (1 to 1.5 stars = “Harsh Critic” 2 stars to 3.5 stars “Reasonable Critic” 4 stars to 5 stars “Easy critic”

  • Visitors to Home Page (rank)

  • Number of Sites referring to

  • Number of sites referring to articles # (rank)

  • Number of referrals to all articles total # (rank)

Medals/AWARDS:

  • Top 50,10,3,2,1 Skinner in Downloads

  • Top 50,10,3,2,1 Skinner in WC downloads

  • Top 50,10,3,2,1 Article Points

  • WinCustomize Subscriber

  • Top 10,3,2,1 Commenter

  • Top 3 in various categories in downloads

  • Top 10,3,2,1 in tutorials

  • Top 10,3,2,1 in home page visitors

  • Top 10,3,2,1 in subscribers

  • Top  10,3,2,1 in referring sites

  • Top 10,3,2,1 in referras

  • Medals: yearling (1 year), veteran (2 years), Elder (3 years or more)

  • Skinner: Has total downloads >1000 on skins.

  • Featured Skinner: Has had skin featured.

In posts in forums or anywhere else their name shows up, IF they have a medal, of any kind, a single small 16x16 icon shows up with a link that says “Awards” that when clicked on takes you to an Awards page.

Basically we will be doing a lot to try to give kudos to people who contribute to the community.  As you can imagine, all these statistics and other technologies will require a lot of horse power. Which is why subscribers will get first crack at using all this and why we're doing it all in .NET.  The development team has come up with a sort of multithreaded architecture for WinCustomize 4's .NET portions.  For instance,  normally when something gets uploaded or changed you have to wait for everything to be saved before continuing.  Now, the site will come back to you instantly while it does its work in the background.  We won't have the forums in .NET right away but that'll be where you'll see the benefit the most.  Well, that's not really true, the biggest places you'll see it is in commenting on skins.

You'll notice that there's a lot of kudos for people who comment on skins.  Those will come in the form of commenting points.  Moderators will have the ability to tweak those points (i.e. if someone is spamming the system we'll be able to tweak it or if someone leaves really high quality comments we can boost their points too but in either case it'll only be in extreme cases, we won't generally be touching points ourselves but rather letting the system do its job).

The look of the site is going to be totally different than it is today (and that screenshot isn't necessarily what it will look like).  Paul Boyer and the rest of the Stardock graphics design team are going to mockup what they imagine the perfect steam-lined but aesthetically pleasing looking content intensive site would look like and then the coders will run with it. BTW, for those who made it this far, as a little sneak peek, IconX is available.

Meanwhile, in the personal tech support area, in IE, my edit menu item is grayed out even though I use Front Page as my editor. No idea why it's no longer working but definitely very annoying. If anyone has any ideas (and I've checked in tools-options and Front Page is associated) comment here please.

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Reply #26 Top
"I don't however, really think they are as innovative as they could possibly be. for example, you need desktop x.. it doesn't have to be running, but you need to have it. i would prefer to see a cheaper, more streamlined alternative to download and have on your machine for people who don't want to hold the lion in the cage by having the immensely powerful desktop x installed but not being used. this would be easier for people not .. like us.. (odnt fanatics ). if such a streamlined option does exist, i think it needs to be promoted more.. for the non skinaholic.

by DesignCaddy Tuesday, August 03, 2004"

2 words : DesktopX Pro(fessional).
Reply #27 Top
Awesome. Are ranks going to be automatically upgraded after a certain number of downloads or average ratings because personally I think that Farid Nafar for one and many others deserve to become Apprentice's based on their awesoem work and average rating.
Reply #28 Top
~ The only thing I use WMP for are files which are exclusive to WMP. All my other audio and video files are handled by WinAmp and JetAudio. IMO, WinAmp is as solid as you can get for an audio player and some of the skins for it are just as awesome, if not better, than what you can get for WMP. JetAudio may not have a lot of skins available for it but it make up for it in video quality and compatibility.

RE: WC Subscription
~ I recently became a WC subscriber after a little over 3 years of being here and was curious as to when we may see some changes? I'm not sure if I'm missing something somewhere or not but since subscribing I haven't seen any differences to my account or in the site.

RE: IconX
~ Besides the suggestion by LesToreados regarding individual icon sizes, I also have a suggestion. Please make it more compatible with the next version of ObjectBar. I only use ObjectBar for a customized desktop menu but when running IconX also, it doesn't allow right-clicking on the icons. Very frustrating!


RE: Widgets
~ I change my desktop several times a week and don't always run DX but LOVE the fact that one can export widgets. The weather widgets are easily the simplest and most useful thing to come from them. No matter what WB theme may be running, a weather widget can easily be created and exported to match. Simplay awesome!
Reply #29 Top
When IS the new WC be online?
Reply #30 Top
desktopx pro wigets will work without desktop x, this is true.. but it's tailored towards coporations.. typical skinners here don't use it, and the majority of wigets need desktop x to run