OS Tying

CalculatorThe soap opera on the Macintosh platform continues apace as more details on the next version of MacOS X come out. In our last episode, we saw lots of debates over whether Apple's upcoming Dashboard is ripping off Konfabulator (a popular MacOS X program that has similar widget features as DesktopX has). There's a lot of debate on this and I think the final question is this: If Konfabulator didn't exist, would MacOS X have Dashboard.  We can debate that all day but I think the answer is no.  Everything else becomes secondary to that question. You either believe Apple would have added this feature that is amazingly similar in terms of what it does to Konfabulator or you believe they wouldn't have.

But there is a deeper issue here. An issue that is of interest to all users of OS enhancement software (especially Windows ones). That is the problem/benefit of taking software conceived and developed by independent developers and tying it into the OS. Microsoft is notorious for this kind of thing. That's why Object Desktop is conceived as a subscription as opposed to a box you buy at your local store.

OS tying has been elegantly explained here.

OS Tying
You tie an app or functionality to the OS by not making it available separately for a price. For example, when you one day arbitrarily decide that a full-featured calendaring app is now part of the OS, that app is tied to the OS. Users who simply want the performance improvements and greater hardware compatibility historically provided by OS upgrades, no longer have that choice.

I have talked about the potential damage OS tying does. The principle damage it does is take the wind out of innovation in a particular market as you are then at the mercy of the OS vendor. People who remember Windows 98 may remember the "channels" that came with it based on Active Desktop.  But that feature was inspired from a program called Pointcast. Pointcast was a real innovator who helped create a big trend during the late 90s called "Push" technology. It was really cool stuff.  But Microsoft co-opted it and put in Active Desktop.  It wasn't well implemented but it took the wind out of Pointcast's sails. Today, Pointcast.com takes you to one of those domain sales pages. They're gone.

Was Microsoft "evil" to do this? No.  Microsoft saw something that it believed people wanted and tried to deliver it to everyone. I'm not privy to what happened at Microsoft at the time or why the channels and Active Desktop got put aside but once Microsoft's channels went away, the whole field just disappeared. Would Push technology have matured into something truly great? We'll never know.

 

Point Cast vs Active Desktop Channels

Microsoft has become so notorious at OS tying over the years (instant messaging, ZIP, a skinnable Windows Media Player, UXTheme, Internet Explorer, MS Movie Maker, etc.) that when we started moving from OS/2 we were told going to Windows was insane. That as soon as we came up with something good, Microsoft would just rip us off.  Their suggestion: Develop for Linux or MacOS. 

Microsoft gets an unfair rap though. Apple has done the same thing for a long time.  Sherlock eventually sucked up all the innovations in Watson to the point that Watson died. And those who don't excuse Apple for everything can point out countless smaller examples.

Suffice to say, all the OS vendors do it.  As a sweeping generalization I'll say it's a bad trend with a handful of exceptions.  The exceptions are when the OS vendor decides to keep improving it (Instant Messenger and Windows Media Player come to mind).  It's bad when the OS vendor implements it half-assed and kills the market (Channels, Active Desktop, WinForms, arguably Internet Explorer -- read this, disk compression, News Reader in Outlook Express). 

Internet Explorer circa 1999 (5 years ago)

When an OS vendor gets into the act and bundles something into the OS, they effectively kill a market. Non-developers will retort "Well, if you make something that's better then what's included then people will buy it." Nonsense. Most shareware authors make their living largely from low hanging fruit. Most developers lack the marketing ability to clearly explain the benefit of their non-free program versus the "free" version in the OS.   There are exceptions of course (WindowBlinds sales took off when Windows XP came out and continue to grow). But in general it kills them.  That's because most third party programs sell very very few copies. I.e. sales are measured in the two digit field per week. Take away the low hanging fruit and that developer is pushed over the edge and the app disappears.

But the pressure on OS vendors to tie into the OS is great.  Tying popular program concepts into the OS is a lot cheaper than coming up with new stuff. Apple advocates point to how "innovative" MacOS Tiger is.  Balderdash.  While Expose is definitely quite innovative, I haven't seen too much true innovation in MacOS since the original release of MacOS X 4 years ago.  By contrast, Microsoft really is trying to do some neat things with Longhorn.  Some of these things, like Avalon, have a rough equivalent in MacOS X (Quartz).  But you have to give Microsoft credit for at least focusing on core features rather than simply lifting ideas from popular shareware programs and throwing them in there.  Admittedly, however, other than peer file sharing, Microsoft is running out of popular third party programs to lend into the OS (top downloads at Download.com last week).

So what's your view on OS tying?

Also, here is an article that disagree with my views that I thought was pretty interesting:
http://daringfireball.net/2004/07/konfab_confab

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Reply #1 Top
Frogboy, when I read this article, really only one thing comes to mind (and I'm sure that I'm not alone on this): "Uhuh..."

Really, you have the great ability, like that of a newspaper columnist or a online journalist, to not only sit through the annoying and agonizing process of typing something like this, but also covering almost every detail (although some may see it as biased, at least it's very thorough).

By posting this on WC only, you're really not accomplishing much. You're just... "preaching to the choir".... You should submit this to some freelance journalism sites covering this sort of news or something, because despite the fact that the article is well written and thourough, all I get out of it is an "uhuh..."
Reply #2 Top
Macrobaye, who says I only post these here?
Reply #3 Top
I think it should be front page for The Daily Bugle or News Weekly, and were you threatening to have me killed by Sherlock?
No,though all joking aside, this is a very in depth article and an interesting read.Thanks
Reply #4 Top
Frankly, this smells of fear. Fear of being absorbed. Fear of being replaced. Fear of being made obsolete.

And rightly so, unfortunately.

It's funny, what this Dashboard issue has stirred up, or rather, brought back up to the bubbling top of the soup. The situtation's always been this way, but now it's labelled "controversy."

In all honesty, the only place I've heard anything about (for or against) the Apple/Tiger/Dashboard/Innovation? issues has been at WinCustomize. This tends to indicate that either StarDock is the party primarily concerned, or the argument is irrelevant.

The arguments appear valid, which makes me wonder- Frogboy, is there some hint that MS may swipe the theming StarDock has traditionally offered?
Reply #5 Top
For me it all comes down to who has the most and best features rather than which is bundled with the OS or which you have to buy.

I just find it kind of ironic that a lot of people when IE got integrated into windows where up in arms about bundling software but now it's kinda like "oh you are so whiney deal with it".
Reply #6 Top
"I see Konfabulator as a well done implementation of existing ideas. If you see it as something deeply innovative, then we’ve reached a point where we’ll have to respectfully disagree."
Reply #7 Top
But hey, it's happening again.

The program Watson (that was mentioned above with Sherlock) has been bought out by Sun Microsystems to be used in there Java Desktop operating system. This means Watson will no longer exist (sorry current registered users you only get support til October 5, 2004, then who knows what).

It's a shame to see good products gobbled up by big business, in the end the consumers usually are the ones to suffer.

Great article, Brad, this is making Wincustomize even better.
Reply #8 Top
Is Object Desktop being considered for os tying by microsoft ??? as said in frogboys article almost all good 3rd pardy features, utilities, programs are sucked up by the os. so are we to assume that the wolfs are scratching at the doors. I hate that word assume, it makes an ass out of U an me.
Reply #9 Top
I hope that OD is not being tying by Microsoft
Good article.
Reply #10 Top
This has nothing to do with Microsoft.  Those of us who are really into this stuff and follow it have been watching the huge (and it is huge in the mac world) dust up that the Dashboard vs. Konfabulator thing is causing. It is interesting stuff.
Reply #11 Top
I hope I don't offend anybody but Frogboy is biased. Stardock products, Stardock site. Stardock makes their money from selling apps to customize peoples desktop. Of course he's gonna say Stardock products are better and Windows is better. What else is he gonna say. He's got to make Windows and his Stardock products look good. Money, money (even if it is not your main source of income. Stardock needs to keep selling)

I know I'm gonna get ripped for this but I'm gonna say this. I've been coming to this site since day one and I've purchased Stardock products for at least 4 years and I've enjoyed them tremendously. I notice when Frogboy posts something about how Stardock products are good and how windows rocks and Mac sucks, people here start to kiss his butt. It's as if Frogboy is the pied piper and most of you are his followers. It's as if you all can't wait to be promoted to to another level or your gonna be treated special from Frogboy. Heaven forbid anyone crosses Frogboy.

Now. Some of you know that I switched to mac recently. I purchase a Mac very similar system wise as the WindowsXP machine that got replaced. Running WB,WinFX,Iconpackager my Windows machine would bog down and I really couldn't multitask. Yes I always felt the Stardock products slowed down My XP 1.3Ghz P4 512mb Ram machine. On my new mac running Shapeshifter, and Candybar with all the transparencies and animations I can multitask to my hearts content with no system bog down. I'm no computer expert, but I see what I see and I see that Mac OSX performs way better than WindowsXP.

I know everybody has their preferences Mac, Microsoft...

I just see what I see.

Let the masacre begin. I'm here.
Reply #12 Top
You know, I tend to sit the fence a lot. I'm both a Mac and PC user. I use both equally without equivocation. And I have to agree: OS X with all of its bells and whistles seems to perform better than Windows XP does.

As far as the Konfabulator vs. Dashboard drama, I would point out that many news pages have picked up on what the Konfabulator guy said: Konfabulator didn't do it first, they didn't innovate anything. They just did it best. There were apps that did it before them. And, there was a system-integrated method of doing something very similar back in the early days of the MacOS, called Desk Accessories. So, in this case, Konfabulator borrowed an idea spawned by Apple, made a great OS X implemenation of it, and made the concept popular, and Apple one-upped Konfabulator by making it a part of Expose.

As far as innovations go, No, OS X hasn't innovated as much as one would expect, because OS X is trying to burn both ends of the candle: add new featuers AND build a new system that's more Unix and new technology than old, legacy stuff. Compare 10.1.* with 10.3.*. 10.3 is lightyears beyond what 10.1 was. And 10.4 will jump ahead even further. So, we'll just have to wait and see where things go.
Reply #13 Top
Your words are worthy of respect, Sir Jarget! I'm on your side! One Mac OS X is much much better, faster and more attractive than Windows XP with all Stardock addon-applications.

As a user I don't care about third party programmers - if you wanna live you should find your way to get public recognition and respect. If OS developers kill the market it means market is too weak and it's not ready to give users really great products up to now...

That's all I want to say... Sorry for my bad english...
Reply #14 Top
Jarget!!! Somebody understood! This huge "controversy" with Konfabulator appears to be "konfabulated." Truth be known, it isn't causing that big a stir amongst Mac users or PC users, except here. How many articles have we seen posted on this here at WinCustomize? 3-5? How many do you see at say SlashDot, or DeviantArt? 1-2? So either Frogboy is visionary with regards to the future of this topic, or its relevance is minimal.
Reply #15 Top
It's funny how ex-Windows Mac users call Frogboy biased and then go on to proclaim how superior OS X is to Windows XP. As for not being discussed in other places, a quick Google will disprove that.
I love Apple, and I do think that the Konfabulator crew is taking too much credit (as one could argue Netscape did when IE came out since there were a few other browsers back then too), but I'm not going to pretend that Apple can do no wrong.
Reply #16 Top
Did anyone here claim to be an Ex-Windows user? Did anyone extol the superiority of OS X? The google search links came up with little one-page articles at individual sites, not the surplus that have been published at WC. The point is, there is clearly a bias being presented here, and although Froggie provides a link to a counterpoint, this is still no objective piece of journalism. Being StarDock's product site, they reserve the right to do that.

That does not imply that we can't point it out however.
Reply #17 Top
Frogboy said...
"This has nothing to do with Microsoft.  Those of us who are really into this stuff and follow it have been watching the huge (and it is huge in the mac world) dust up that the Dashboard vs. Konfabulator thing is causing. It is interesting stuff. "


HUGE? Uhhhh... no, there was a flurry of articles in the beginning all based on biased, over-hyped comments by the creator of Konfabulator but for most people it's really a non-event. I've seen more concern about it here from you than I did almost anywhere else. This is the only place I continue to see people moaning about it in any great detail.

...and, I have to agree with whoever mentioned that K was just a well done example of existing ideas... nothing innovative there, I'm afraid.
Reply #18 Top
mrbiotech, yes to both of your questions. As for Google, it proves that WinCustomize isn't the only place where one can read about the about the Apple/Tiger/Dashboard/Innovation issues.
Reply #19 Top
there is one danger thing in going back and saying that some customization app was there before an other ...

before there was DesktopX (or Verona Desktop Enhancer as it was called, before Stardock bought it) we already had these things in LiteStep.
LiteStep on the other hand was on AfterStep clone.
AfterStep was an emulation of the NEXT desktop.
and so we are back at Steve Jobs.

would there be Dashboard without Konfabulator? probably not.

is it a "huge" controversy? not at all. compare it with MS integrating Internet Explorer deeply in the OS. that was a huge controversy.

as and end-user i would appreciate a free and (most probably) better integrated way to create little desktop applications.
these things are available for free on Windows and Linux (Samurize, Rainmeter, LiteStep, gDesklets, Karamba). i do not see a good reason why only Mac users should have to pay for that.

Reply #20 Top
I just wanted to add that I don't kiss anyone's butt. I just use software that a. I can afford and b. works best for me and if said software is a commercial app so be it as long as it has more and better features (in my opinion) than the freeware app if not, then I'll stick with the freeware app and vice versa.
Reply #21 Top
Messy Buu, nice try, but you missed the POINT of my questions. Why is it so funny to believe that someone who converts to Mac calls Frogboy biased? You have to admit by virtue of the facts that Froggie's articles have only recently included anything of objectivity on the issue (the link to an alternate stance, predominantly). Mac or PC user, the recent string of news articles on Konfab have clearly been greatly biased.

You more than graciously (inadvertantly) proved my second point: To the average (and probably above-average) computer user, the Konfabulator question simply isn't even a concern, which is why the searches only show it coming up ONCE for the immense majority of sites. The degree of coverage here has been completely in excess of the actual issue, hence this thread (beating a dead horse thread).