Article: The Slippery Slope of Intellectual Property

The Slipper Slope of Intellectual Property & The Internet


by Brad Wardell


One of the most common discussions on websites like WinCustomize has to do with the rights of intellectual property (IP) holders. Obviously, a site like WinCustomize, which is full of content (read: Intellectual property) created by others is going to be very sensitive to IP issues.


The Internet is an IP mine field. That’s because “IP” on the net falls into 4 general categories:



1)       IP that is indisputably protected by international (or at least US) copyright / trade dress / trademark law. Examples: The Coca Cola logo. Movies converted to digital format. Writings that have been copyrighted.


2)      IP that is probably protected by international (or at least US) copyright / trade dress /trademark law but has not been thoroughly tested in court. Examples: Icons. Wallpapers. Graphics created on the net that are distinct enough to be recognized by a common person.


3)      IP that may be protected but can sometimes fall into a gray area due to conflicts with “Fair use”, “Lack of enforcement”, Lack of distinction, etc.  Examples of this could be skins or visual styles. Fan art. Themes.  Usenet posts. Website content. Email.  We’ll talk about this item at length in a minute.


4)      IP that may not be protected but large corporations have laid claim to it via patents or simply sheer legal might. Examples: Apple claims to own the exclusive right to have round title bar buttons. Amazon claims to have the exclusive rights to “one click”. There are patents on virtually everything you do on your computer that, thankfully, no one tries to enforce.



At WinCustomize, this becomes a real problem because many people will say “Can’t we just run the site completely ‘clean’?”  If we did that, we would need full time lawyers to determine what is and isn’t okay to accept.



But WinCustomize tends to fall on the side of protecting IP holders as much as reasonably possible. Most sites of the net that have skins and themes and icons and such are much much looser in their protection than us. But even then, category 3 is where things start to get interesting.



For example, is the left and right borders of a skin protected under copyright? One annoying thing about the Internet is that there’s always some self-appointed expert (Ahem) that will try to give you a definitive answer on these things. Here’s the short answer: The rights of the IP holder extend as far as his legal resources stretch. That is, the more lawyers you can afford, the more IP rights you actually will end up with.



A long while ago, I somehow ended up in the middle of a rather nasty debate between two skin authors. One skin author demanded that the second skin author remove their skin from every site because the left top most edge was “too similar” to his skin. It wasn’t a rip. It wasn’t pixel per pixel the same, but the second author said that he was indeed inspired by the first author’s skin. But that the work was completely his.  During this mediation, the first author started making legal threats on the second author. At that point, I suggested that the second author transfer his skin to me and I would handle the first author. Because the first author was on shaky legal ground and had a long history of going around making legal threats of this nature. The reality is, the legal protection of a skin (the whole skin) is not firmly established since a skin is a lot more than just the graphics. It’s really a collection of bitmaps and scripts put together.  With that in mind, trying to lay claim to a distinctive looking border concept is really pushing it.



Hence, you always have a delicate balance between IP holders, both corporate and individual, who would try to lay claim to vast expanses of innovation and other IP creators who are trying to innovate without stepping on a mine.



Generally, the rule of thumb WinCustomize uses is “He that creates the IP has the right to decide how that IP is used and distributed.”



Of course, there’s a big loophole there that opens up a can of worms – establishing what IP is. For instance, since Apple claims that it owns the right to have red close buttons or round title bar buttons, do we remove all skins / visual styles that have rounded title bar buttons?  Someone probably has a patent on scrollbar grippers too. Do we research that and then remove skins that have that?  Apple also claims to own the trashcan concept for…well the trashcan. Hence Microsoft uses the “Recycle Bin”. But what about all those Mac and PC icon authors who create trashcan icons? Should all those sites promptly get rid of those too?



And then there’s “fan art”. When someone creates a Hulk wallpaper that they drew, should that be removed? Especially when you consider that there are thousands of Hulk fan sites that have scanned in Hulk images from the comic book?  A google search on “Mickey Mouse Fan Sites” brings up thousands of sites with Mickey Mouse images on them. And this is Disney we’re talking about who is very protective of their IP.



Websites don’t and can’t operate in a vacuum. Even if one took the route of “Hey, yea, all those other sites are breaking the rules, it doesn’t make it okay for you to do so, remove everything that can possibly be violating someone’s IP rights..” (which of course means protecting the IP rights of one user could mean violating the rights of another) the net result is that your site would fall into obscurity and someone else would fill the void and nothing is really accomplished.



That is why a “net consensus” is what really has to be found. That as an Internet community we decide what is and isn’t acceptable use of IP. That the rights of IP holders be based both on legal rights and common sense.



A good example of this is the concept of “Ripping”. No legitimate theme/skin site today will allow people to submit content that was taken fully or even partially from someone else’s work. It is called “Ripping” and regardless of where the legality of it lies, the Internet community, as a whole (or at least those who control the websites that contain this stuff) have come to a consensus of what the IP rights of skin/theme/icon authors are and enforce them.



There still is no consensus on things like OS skins. Even Apple’s lawyers have explicitly stated that Mac classic skins are fine with them but they object to “Aqua” based themes. This was some time ago but companies like Stardock have not bundled Aqua based MacOS visual styles with its WindowBlinds product based on Apple’s request. Even though hundreds of websites have Aqua skins and themes or even are dedicated to the emulation of the Mac GUI on Windows. Some people feel that OS skins should be as protected as an individual’s skin. The general consensus I have seen (every skin site has OS skins as far as I know) is that OS skins are kind of like fan art, there is no confusion on who the ultimate source of the OS skin is. Whereas ripping of an individual’s skin is different because the average person would not realize that the skin they are downloading was actually created by someone else than the person who is taking credit.



Similarly, fan art is much the same thing. Nearly every public site that accepts wallpaper is full of wallpapers from movies, TV, fan fiction, etc. 



Sites like deviantART, ThemeXP, Deskmod, etc. all have sections just for movies.  So does WinCustomize but fan art falls under heavy moderation and tends not to go up. The net effect there is that it puts WinCustomize at a competitive disadvantage (and ironically, I have to go to deviantART to get my movie wallpaper even though WinCustomize has a wallpaper section). Fan art is a trickier thing. Does a wallpaper that contains images from Star Wars violate copyright? If so, there are thousands of wallpapers out there that violate this and thousands of websites distributing them along with thousands of fan sites.



The most important thing individuals and websites can do is use common sense and follow their conscience. Individuals who make skins, themes, icons, etc. usually ask for only one thing in return –- respect. Respect for their intellectual property rights.  As for the other IP issues like those mentioned above, they are still evolving. Right now, the Internet is still kind of a wild west where the big players can send in the lawyer cavalry to enforce the rights they believe they have.



It’ll be interesting to see how things progress as the net matures.

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Reply #1 Top
If you postem, people will usem... Therefore if you are concerned about the IP rights either don't postem or sellem to the good users who will enjoy your work and share with others.

If your out to stealem, then the whole community will know it and as a whole should shun you and let it be known to all that belive in...SHAREM!!!

CloneDNA
Reply #3 Top
Was a long read, but wanted to thank Frogboy for a well thought out and interesting article.

My two cents, the stuff I put up I expect to be used for things I may not like (I only ever ask that you don't use it commercially without discussing first) but then if I put everything is a tightly sealed box it will never get seen

And I have to agree with CloneDNA, if you steal it and claim to make it then expect to face the backlash of community that depends on each other to monitor such things!

Regards to all,
GrfxGuru aka PeterWitham
GrfxGuru is a copyright, trademark, patience pending , property of some fool in a cabin at the top of a very large snow cap Use and expect to get abused just like the owner
Reply #4 Top
The internet? How about just in general, a new trend, do you remember Unisys? They tried to make everyone and Compuserve pay, they owned the IP for Gif compression. I herd a company ownes the IP on Jpeg and are putting the screws now to companies to help their bottom line. They been struggling past few years.
Companies sit on this stuff for years and it gains favor and then out of the wood work they come trying to now cashin on it.
I think we need some major re-think on the whole deal. If a company seems to ignore thier item like a dead puppy for years. Do they now have the right to come after everyone like a green hungery vampire?
Same goes for if a company sells the rights after years, the new buyer can't turn it into a cash boon because the have the money and legal staff to squeeze that buck or destroy the competion.
This is the kind of slope that is not just slippery but can turn to black ice and the losers are the public.
Food for thought I hope! I yeild the soap box.

Regards
Reply #5 Top
REMenard,

You have an excellent agrument here. I believe that we should all boycott .gifs, and .jpegs, and use only the .png format (understanding of course that this is not even close to what you are saying. I am just a shameless slave to the wonders of the .png format) Bartender, alpha layers for everyone.
Reply #6 Top
Wow! Thank you Brad for writing such an excellent article. You basically covered it all except that it doesn’t have a conclusion yet. I personally don’t think that this issue will ever be resolved because of the Grey Area in skinning. However, I wrote two statements to the community trying to bring this issue to light. One was, Hypothetical Statement” and the other was, “Why I’m Invisible”. Those issues seemed to provoke some people in the community, but actually, it was not meant to provoke… just food for thought about this issue, and you have done a fine job explaining it. Thanks!

Unless one has lawyers and a lot of money, these issues and trying to go after someone who is ripping you is not worth fighting in court. Sending bad letters or acting with harsh words only adds to the fuel and makes matters worse, and turns people into aggressive nasty behaviors. This is not good for the world of pleasant life. CloneDNA says it best!
Reply #7 Top

What is legal and what is moral are not always the same.


Piracy is illegal. In your hypothetical post you wrote some time back, you essentially condoned piracy and ripping. Piracy is illegal. Ripping is probably illegal but definitely immoral and enforced by the skinning sites.


 

Reply #8 Top
Never, did I ever, condone piracy or ripping! Frogboy! It just goes to show you that a lot of the nasty attitudes on this site are instigated by some of the Admin's.
Reply #9 Top

That was certainly the impression your thread gave me. Not to worry though, it won't be a problem in the future.

Reply #10 Top
Nor did I ever condon ripping! Read it again:

I, Microsoft, hold all the copyrights to our programs including Windows. Any changes you make to Windows are not Copyrightable, because we retain all the Copyrights to our products. Thus, if you make a claim of Copyright in your design, just remember it will not stand in court, because again, it is our design, and we retain all Copyrights to our products. After all, it is our task bar, our buttons, our scrollbar, and our design that you are modifying. Just don’t forget, when you claim that someone is ripping you, in court it is you that is ripping us. Therefore, everything on this sight is a rip of our products, except the wallpaper, that we let you get away with for now, because we want you to enjoy our product, but we may or may not put a stop to it in the future. I suggest you read the license agreement again when you installed our product.

End Hypothetical Statement
Reply #11 Top

I stand corrected.  However, if you read my article, you would find that the consensus is that OS skins are not rips and the article states the reasons therefore.


Also, your assertion has no basis in law either theoretical or otherwise. Skinning a titlebar, scrollbar, whatever, has nothing to do with Microsoft.  It's just a nonsensical ranting.


 

Reply #13 Top
I think that Apple and Lucas need step down and get a grip on the real world. The loopholes for getting around IP rights are nearly endless, despite the fact that people would continue ripping off other peoples' ideas. Trying to stop IP rights violations would be like trying to kill KaZaA or Morpheus; it can't be done without loads of illegal actions.(like viruses) Besides who really does have the right to a set of pixels or a certain pattern of putting them there? Since when does a piece of paper or some government document mean that somebody "owns" an art design? I'm sure that he was not the first nor the last to come up with it. However, because he wants to be all stupid and full of himself, he gets a piece of paper to say he owns art. Its like going to the beach and claiming the ocean for yourself.
Summary: GET A LIFE.

by the way, my screen name is an allusion to "The Simpsons." A little IP violation in itself.
Reply #14 Top
Excellent article, Brad. Nice summary of the status of IP, and the issues involved as things stand today. This is my first post here, as I've been in 'lurk' mode for quite a while.

Speaking as someone who is the President, Newsletter Editor, and Webmaster for my local computer user group, the issue of IP rights is not new. At one time, user groups were considered a pirates haven. My involvement goes back to the 80’s, when all software sold was on rather fragile floppies. Anyone using their computer for work was almost forced to become a pirate simply so they could create backups to their software. The difference, IMO, was in if someone sold or traded illegal copies.

When I became an officer in our group in ’85, one of the priorities for us was to create a non-piracy policy. As we pointed out to people all the time, you couldn’t expect technical support for a product unless you had paid for it. That doesn't mean we can do anything about what members, or nonmembers do outside of meetings. But, we did manage to put a stop to it within our meeting times.

Our first newsletter was published around then, and that brought up even more issues about IP rights. The policy our group decided on, which is still in effect today, is that the copyright belongs to the author(s) of an article. Most of our authors do not mind reprints in nonprofit newsletters, as outlined in our stated Reprint Policy. But, we’ve always recognized the fact that we – as a nonprofit group – can only go so far in enforcing those rights. Most of that system is built on trust.

In fact, I’ve just been forced to remove all copies of our newsletter from our website because of repeated plagiarism and theft. We will distribute our newsletter in PDF form to our members, and a select list of other parties. (Other user group newsletter editors and vendor representatives for the most part.) But, we can’t give it away to one and all for free.

As a nonprofit group, we’ve never been able to pay our authors for their writing. To show appreciation, we’ve always encouraged that they include a short ‘about me’ kind of paragraph at the article end. This is their chance to not only establish their credentials, but also promote themselves. Sad that the general public’s way of ‘showing appreciation’ seems to be to steal whatever they can.

Thanks for listening!

Irene M. Kraus a.k.a. The Computer Lady!
Graphic & Web Page Design
www.design-comp.com
President/Newsletter Editor/Webmaster - CEBUG
www.cebug.org