Synn, are you just that guy who always plays the UP characters in every game

We should start a club

Rakion reminds me so much of Demigod. Beautiful game, great gameplay, everyone's kind of a tard unless you specifically find good people to play with, the developers are kind of herp de derp, the maps are similar, similar RPG elements. Oh and everything is broken but they're still fun. I'd love to play a team deatmatch with you sometime Synn. I'm playing as a bs named Aiur if you ever care to look me up

Fire, ice or hybrid are all really nice. Depend of ur teammate, depend of ur opposite team. Fire tb is a pain for speed and instant damage, ice is a pain for the cooldown, slow speed and 2x interrupt and hybrid have 50% of each side benefice.

Erum. Double post, forum boom crap.

But yes. I'll take this op to say how awesome TB is.

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Well, TB is awesome. There ya go.

That's my point. Hybrid isnt 50%.

The build I use still gives Deep Freeze, Frost Nova, RoI and Fireball. You get PLENTY of burst (see my other post) and you get every control spell that ice has.

The only thing you miss out on is lvl II of Frost Nova before 16 and Auras. Auras are nice but active abilities will mean a lot more. 

Ice misses out on Fireball which is the bread n' butter spell for TB. Thats your whittle spell.

Fire misses out on an interrupt (wtf, why would you not get at least 1 point in it?), the only stun that effects buildings, and a ranged version of Fire Nova that (at most points) costs less mana.

(My)Hybrid misses out on CoF, Fire Nova (Crappy point blank RoI), and Auras.
The auras are the only ones I hate that I miss out on, but again, activatable abilities are more fun the passive %s. The dmg from the fire aura isn't very helpful and the mana regen on Ice doesnt help much due to BotS. The slow/speed is very nice though.

If Demigod were one of those games where you could just endlessly pump points into fireball or rain of ice, a pure build would be great. But because of the level caps, it only makes sense that a hybrid build will be superior because it can have the two strongest skills instead of one strong skill and a few supporting abilities.

  I play pure fire.  Its an easy, versatile, fast and effective build to play. 

 In the hands of a good player who is micro managing interupts and what, not Ice or Hybrid is probably better.

Fire TB is a hard DG to play correctly. You need to use BotS correctly while not dying, which is too difficult for most new players to manage. You won't have an interrupt either so your enemies can just fight you, drink a pot, and keep fighting, or just port. They can also lock flags and you won't be able to stop them. I don't really see pure fire as all that playable. Pure ice is ok, but Teseer's hybrid is just how TB needs to be played.

  i dont know how to respond when you say things like that.  I cant think of a simpler demigod to play than a pure fire TB.   You literally only have 2 skills to choose from which are nothing a like so there is no confusion when to use which skill.  

fireball: instant damage, single target, ranged

circle of fire: damage over time, area of effect, not ranged.  

to me thats one of the easiar builds to play.     For a pure fire build I dont understand why you need BoTS, fire tb shouldnt have mana problems.. at least not ones where BoTS would prove benefitial.    Any way I cut it, it just doesnt make sense.  

I dont think I have any replays with fire TB but ill try and get one to show you the simplicity of it. 

I dont disagree that hybrid is probably the TB that should be played if you are a real competitive pro.   For me its just too much form switching, timing interupts and micro managing.  plus I like a strong early game.

If I have learned anything about this game, it is won not by the one who dish out the most damage, but by the one who has better control. Control of the maps, of their enemy and skills. It is mostly in noob games that dishing out the most damage and getting the most kills win games.

 I did not have any prior replays saved of good games so I took these 2 of rather unremarkeable games.   But these games show how a simple fire TB build is run.  Nothing remarkeable.      I think I have another replay of me going against a pure ice TB build and losing a rather poorly played game, in another replay that ill try and find.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=118885

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=118886

If you're playing competitively as a fire TB, you need to make up a lot of lost ground because you've ditched your only interrupt (which is essential for controlling the all important health flag and portals), and your only stun. If you're playing TB correctly, your mana bar should be gone every 30 seconds or so which is why BotS is 100% necessary for any good TB build. You should be using fireball every time it's off of cooldown and you should use fire nova and circle of flame liberally just to attempt to hold a lane. If you're playing in noob games, just dishing out tons of damage with a fire TB is great, but if your playing a competitive game (not saying you have to), a hybrid is much easier to win with. Kills almost never win games. Like Synn said, it's all about map control in higher level games.

synn i posted that to show how fire tb shouldnt be having mana issues. I think one of those games later on I didnt have a helm at all.

   actual footage is the best way to make a point.  I would honestly would like to see what splitshadow is talking about in a recording because I dont understand how that would work.    

this put a smile on my face, i thought my biggest issue with tb was that i can do a good job of driving off other demigods once they have been hit by all my damage/stuns/deep freeze but find it hard to get the kill... i'm not a top level player by any means but its nice to know that in some respects what I'm doing isnt wrong

What bothers me is how people say Fire TB is more damage then Hybrid (at least mine).

The only thing I can see better about Fire TB then Hybrid is Fire Aura and ease. That's it.

I just feel you gimp yourself when you go full one form. Thats just my opinion, but not taking at least one lvl of Deep Freeze and Frost Nova is painful.

Ice is more fun for those games where your team works perfectly and fire is more fun if you can actually get to level 15 and start spamming everything while standing in your circle.  I think the hybrid build of fireball+RoI+other ice skill+BotS is best in most real situations though.  Gets you full direct damage, all the nifty ice abilities, nothing generally wasteful like fire nova or that can be avoided like CoF.  Though TB's best used in an adaptable manner; I've had a few games won where both sides have giants because I started picking up more AoE instead of extra levels of Deep Freeze or the like and focused on helping our creep waves beat theirs.

Zen god is one of the most adaptable tb players I have met. We played against a each other in a game I was hybrid tb and he was fire. A bit into the game he switched up from fire to ice. Sadly that was one of the worst games I had ever played and hope no one saved that replay.....

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Wow!

lmao

So I hear a lot of people playing Fire in this thread. Does anyone play ice? (Still say Hybrid is > both)

I tend to do a more ice-focused, espiecially against minion builds or a Rook. When I'm feeling really lazyfawkes I'll just do a pure Ice because pushing 4 is too much work. Plus, with pure-ice you can go Swift Anklet and then just get Vlemish. Using Relieve the Immolation and your passive 40+ mps, it's more than enough for your abilities with absurdly long cooldowns. 

Importantly... really 1v1 you should never get a kill. With any demigod :-/ if you do, it's because the enemy overextended or made a mistake somehow, not because of your awesome build or awesome demigod skills. 2v2 or 2v1 is a totally different story. But 1v1... not so much.  If you're playing ANY build with the sole purpose of getting kills 1v1 you're probably playing a lower-level game and you should re-evaluate your build and playstyle. UB is perhaps the only exception to this rule but that's cause he is OP.  

Also, you can say that Teseer's build is the "one true" hybrid, and you might be sorta right. It tends to perform on-par or slightly better than any other given TB build for a large variety of circumstances. That said, there are certain circumstances where a pure-ice or pure-fire or an alternate form of hybrid does better. Thunder and I actually run very, very specialized builds for both Sedna and TB that maximizes synergy. When we aren't paired with each other, we use different builds since they are weaker alone than other comparative builds.

I run pure ice when I want to control a game; but due to my sucky ability at interrupting.I don't control demigpods too well outside of stuns and cooldowns.

I can see a Pure Ice having a few situations where it is better with getting high end Deep Freezes earlier and the lvl 2 Frost Nova at 10 instead of 16 (man I wish I could fit it earlier). It SCREWS cooldowns if you actually work on that being your goal.

Fire...I just can't see not having an interrupt and stun being helpful for anymore then the Fire Aura. Which...is cool. But not worth dropping two vital abilities.

Fire Nova I discount as its a rangeless RoI.

CoF is only really good for Area Denial.

I just don't see Fire TB being all that useful.