The only way you should play UB imo. (quick replay)

Doesn't Demon assassin say kill kill kill

Well if your opponents use large pots which take like 2s to cast in battle, don't use sigils and don't skill grasp at level 5, it's just too easy. Nice laning btw.

 

 

Lol he does but UB played right does it better .

I agree with your skill choices, but I think BotS is a better favor item choice.

I will kill any BoTS UB after level 6 with my extra 800hp.

Is that sarcasm? I agree with obs-, I mean HorseStrangler, that BotS is a better overall favor item.

Where are you getting 800 extra HP from? You had a helmet, I don't get helmets at all.

Play me

If you use a helmet with BotF, then its not 800 extra HP.

What would you have in place of that helmet o.0?  Haulbruk of Life?  It is 200 less hp, and you dont get the bigger mana pool that plenors crown gives you.  I stand by BoTF for UB.  It gives me the extra hp i need in the beginning to hold off a lane against anyone solo and usualy kill them.  I also dont have to add in casting a favor item to get mana into my micro of abilities and items.  The only thing BoTS does better is in the beginning you can use spit more freely.  I will play against any BoTS ub anytime in a balanced 3v3 game and will always come out ahead.

1) No, Nimoth. 300 less hp and 5 less hps, but 750 more armor. Or unbreakable boots. 200 less hp, 800 mana.

2) In reality, Plenor doesn't give you a bigger mana pool. You have 1575 extra mana, but no way to regen it since 70% regen is crap. So that's one extra spit at level 10. Compare that to BotS, which is basically unlimited mana.

3) You're mixed up. BotF gives you the early game advantage. By middle game we're more or less even. By end game BotS has the advantage, since plenor is only giving you one extra spit. Not even enough for an extra foul grasp.

The point was that it's not 800 extra HP. Also it's kind of silly to say that Plenor gives a bigger mana pool when the blade gives you an effectively infinite one.Again, I don't really agree with this either. You can only spit four times, that's it. So assuming the other team doesn't just stand in melee range until you kill them (after you've already gotten an item/level advantage no less, no idea what they were thinking in that replay) the blade becomes more useful.That's kind of an impossible challenge. I have one person I play with consistently. I've also got a replay of myself beating Manreal/Wicked with UB, but it doesn't prove that the way in which we beat them is the only effective one, and nor would me beating you or vice versa prove anything.

I'm still up for a game, but again, win or lose, I'm not going to start using BotF and I doubt you'll start using BotS.

Actually it's only 1175 mana, since BotS gives +400.No, I think he gets nimoth. It would likely be a hauberk. Late game if it hits artifacts though it becomes more and more important, as he's force to give up unbreakable boots or something along those lines for a mageslayer, and in a super long game BotF UB really stands no chance since he can't afford to spit on cooldown to max out putrid flows damage or use BW.

The thing is with Blood and the extra hp it gives me early game I usualy get a lot of kills giving my team the advantage with citadel upgrades and me the advantage with all the armor i need =/.  Which happens every single game.  Just if I get no kills until like lvl 11 against a BoTS UB there might be a problem, but that has never happened with my build.

 

And i also always have the level advantage on any UB bcuz i force them to go back to citadel early to regen =/.  I see your point very late game if I get no kills but until that happens BoTF is better because the whole pt of UB is to get kills not harras ppl with spit.

I'll gladly 2v2 you, I just don't see it happening if we've both got monks on our sides.

If we're going off of experience, I've beaten BotF UBs regularly. I think that player skill has a lot more to do with it than specific builds, so it might not matter too much overall which one players decide to pick.

 

I've been toying around with a permamist minion erebus build, and it's insane.

 

I know mybones only uses that erebus when he plays him, I LOVE IT with ooze and spit the dps is insane.

BotS is better for mana burst and staying in lane, but if they pressure you really hard you will have trouble with your low health in the beginning.

I disagree. Just get a gadget early since you don't need money for a helm.

Yeah, I usually have trouble holding a lane from levels 1-4, but by level 7 I can usually equal any other DG. I usually buy scalemail and banded armor for my starting items.

Swap out the scalemail, it's not that good. Your strength comes from the ability to spit and run over and over and over again at those levels, and the ability to bait in players who expect an easy kill on a low HP UB.

 

If you want to be a mediocre UB listen to obscenitor im done.

You guys need to fight it out.

I'd always say that Scalemail is good... but then again, early game I guess it isn't since AA damage is such a minimal amount of damage you take compared to skills.

Basically, if you go BotF, I wouldn't get more than 2 points in Spit. Just one point in spit is basically useless, 2 points gives you decent +dps while not forcing you to get a second helm and therefore lose out on HP.

If you go BotF, you pretty much need to go true-blue Ooze. Sure, "stats suck". But the fact of the matter is that a true-blue Ooze does not need to go home unless he needs to shop, which is typicaly level 7 or 8 for me. Assuming monks of course. Sigil spamming is also huge for BotF since you have the extra hp from Stats and BotF and the increased healing from monks. It comes out to easily 2k hp between the regen, the extra hp and the sigil-hp on top of that. Which negates at least a spit and a half.

A true-BotS beast doesn't need to shop either, since you have all the mana and hp you need. A helm'd hybrid needs to go shop, losing levels. Also, they are dependent on kills/gold/feeds since they are expensive builds since they have to stack hp and mana at the same time.

But you know, whatever.

No offense, but if you're getting "a lot" of kills, especially early game, you're probably facing noobs.

That's only if they're stupid enough to fight you early game when BotF UB has the advantage in a 1v1. A skilled BotS UB will back off the first few levels and creep elsewhere. If you follow me all across the map you're loosing just as much experience as I am.

And BotS helps you get kills by allowing you to keep your mana up. Gotta love playing as a BotF UB where your enemy escapes with 500 health because you didn't have enough mana for an extra foul grasp or spit.

Well I wasn't comparing our mana levels with that line, just saying that plenor gives him 1575 mana but no way to get it back, but yeah, you're right.