It seems as though the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin will always be debated. As far its age, I thought they found some pollen in it that dates it to the time of Christ.
I know my Catholic friends think this Shroud of Turin is sacred because they have been told it is and that settles it for them.
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I'm Catholic and have never ever been told that the Shroud is sacred. I also don't know any Catholics who think of it as "sacred".
Recently an Italian group has come out saying the Turin is a forgery.
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What is the source of your article and who is this Italian group? If you are referring to a guy named Garlashelli who "reproduced" the Shroud...... that's old news.
Here's a cut and paste from the Internet on that...
More Responses To Garlaschelli Claims
As most of you know, on October 6, 2009 the news broke around the world that an Italian researcher, Professor Luigi Garlaschelli, had "reproduced" the Shroud image using medieval techniques, thus proving it was a 14th century fake. The outcry was immediate and enormous, prompting thousands of e-mails, letters and phone calls.
I originally planned to post this update on November 1, 2009, but delayed it for several days because Dr. Thibault Heimburger, French Shroud researcher (well known to regular website viewers), informed me that he was in direct contact with Professor Garlaschelli and would be writing a scientific article evaluating his claims in detail. Based on the quality of Thibault's previous contributions to this website and Professor Garlaschelli's cooperation, I was happy to postpone the update and wait for his paper. I am now pleased to include Thibault's latest article, Comments About the Recent Experiment of Professor Luigi Garlaschelli in this update. Thibault provides a detailed overview of Garlaschelli's techniques and a point by point comparison between Garlaschelli's results and the image on the Shroud. The article includes 12 color photomicrographs and illustrations. A special word of thanks to Thibault for working some very long hours to get this article to me so quickly.
Also included in this update is a link to an article by Bruno Barberis, Director of the International Centre of Sindonology in Turin, Italy. The article is titled, The Shroud "Make Over," Science or Marketing? and was originally published on October 9, 2009 on the Archdiocese of Turin website. It provides us with Bruno's expert perspective on Garlaschelli's recent claims.
I also want to extend a personal word of thanks to Alessandro, who operates a technically oriented Italian language blog on the Shroud, for making several excellent suggestions about archiving certain materials on www.shroud.com. Due to his suggestions, I have permanently archived my editorial response of October 7, 2009 along with the excellent response of Petrus Soons. As Alessandro correctly pointed out, this page is archived annually, but to a different link, making articles published on this page more difficult to find later. Not only are certain articles on this page now archived into separate files, they are also listed on the Website Library and Scientific Papers & Articles pages and can be found using the Website Search Engine. In fact, to make things even more convenient, here are links to a number of important recent articles addressing Professor Garlaschelli's claims:
kfc posts:
Scientists have recently reproduced the shroud using materials and methods that were available in the 14th century and is further evidence that this shroud is a medieval forgery. In 1988 scientists used radiocarbon dating to determine this shroud was made in the 13th or 14th century. So how did they reproduce it? A Professor of chemistry related in an interview that his team used a linen woven with the same technique as the shroud and artifically aged it by heating it in an oven and washing it with water. They then placed this cloth on a student who wore a mask to reproduce the face and rubbed it with red ochre, a well known pigment at the time. The entire process took a week.
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According to this article below, the scientist's reproduction has been anything but conclusive to show the Shroud is a forgery.
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/thibault-lg.pdf
nitro cruiser posts:
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not much into relic worship.
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Relic worship? So, who is "worshipping" the Shroud?
kfc posts:
I'm with you Nitro. All this relic worship just takes our eyes off the real person we are supposed to be worshipping.
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Same question.
kfc posts:
I'm just wondering but.....I'm wondering if it cost money to go and see this Shroud of Turin whe they pull it out again next year? I mean is money being made on this?
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Wonder no longer......
The 2010 Shroud Exhibition
Until June 2, 2008, the next public exhibition of the Shroud of Turin was scheduled to occur in Turin, Italy, in the year 2025, to coincide with the next Holy Year of the Catholic Church. This was decided upon and announced in the year 2000 by Pope John Paul II. However, on June 2, 2008, Pope Benedict XVI announced that the Archbishop of Turin had asked his permission to move the date up and that he had agreed. Consequently the next public exhibition would now take place 10 April 2010 through 23 May 2010.
Interestingly, the very next day, on June 3, 2008, the Turin authorities confirmed in a press release that the exhibition would take place in 2010 and further stated that its primary purpose would be to focus on pastoral issues and give pilgrims their first opportunity to view the Shroud since the controversial "restoration" of 2002 that altered the cloth's appearance considerably. They further announced that no scientific examination would be permitted and no experiments would be authorized during the 2010 exhibition.
Reservations will be required to obtain the tickets needed to attend the Shroud exhibition, although admission is free. Reservations can be made online at the Archdiocese of Turin Website at www.sindone.org I suggest you check their website (available in Italian and English) from time to time and make your reservations as soon as the system goes online. Here is a link to the English FAQ page of their site: www.sindone.org/FAQ-en.htm with the most up-to-date information. The Archdiocese stated that there would be an on-site reservation system available to those who were unable make their reservations online, but first priority would be given to disabled visitors and to religious groups. However, in my experience (which includes three previous exhibitions - 1978, 1998, 2000), no one who arrives at the Cathedral in Turin during a Shroud exhibition is ever turned away. Still, if you plan to see the Shroud in 2010, I urge you to make reservations for the dates you are in Turin as soon as the reservation system becomes available. Of course, I will post the information on the website as soon as I get it. . However, the reservation system will not be available until DECEMBER 2009.
The Vatican announced on October 27, 2009 that Pope Benedict XVI will come to Turin to visit the Shroud on May 2, 2010.
Visitors to Turin, where the Shroud has permanently resided since 1578, will view the cloth in the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist. To conserve and protect the Shroud, it is permanently stored in a custom built, temperature and humidity controlled, lightight case, which can be moved, raised and opened to display the cloth for public exhibitions. This case was built by the Italian aerospace company Alenia Spazio, which placed its high level technical know how (acquired in the field of space technologies) at the disposal of the Shroud. The case is built of a light, aeronautical alloy, apart from the upper surface which is made of bullet-proof, laminated glass, and it weighs about 1,000 kg. The Shroud is placed on a light aluminum support sliding on runners and stored flat within the case. Inside the airtight case there is a mixture of argon (99.5%) and oxygen (0.5%) in order to guarantee the perfect conservation of the Shroud and its protection from any form of aerobic and anaerobic bacteria. When the Shroud is not on public display, the case is closed and stored within an alcove of the Cathedral where visitors are permitted to pray and meditate.
This shroud, of course, was owned by the Vatican and is kept locked in a special chamber and is rarely shown. The last public display was in 2000 with the next expected showing to be next year.
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Turns out the Shroud is neither owned nor kept at the Holy See in Rome but at the Cathedral in the Archdiocece of Turin where any visitiors may come and pray and meditate.
I remember one teen girl from Europe who was visiting our church, and was brought up in the Eastern Orthodox Church whispering to her friend who was also from the same country "how can they worship without icons?"
We only had a simple cross on the wall and nothing else. The other girl whispered back, they pray by faith, they don't need icons to pray to.
That pretty much sums it up for me as well. I'm just wondering but.....I'm wondering if
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I'm just wondering but...I'm wondering if Protestants will ever cease protesting against things Catholic. 