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Major Nidal Hasan and the Killing at Fort Hood, Texas

Major Nidal Hasan and the Killing at Fort Hood, Texas

Identity based politics leads to crime

The horrific incident at Fort Hood, Texas, should come as a wake up call to all those in the American academia who promote identity based politics:Gays, lesbians, minority, sexual preference, etc etc. Now the Muslim identity is becoming increasingly problematic in the USA and I believe that years and years of promoting identity politics has left the country without the means of even admitting to itself that the islamic identity clashes head long with that of a secular nation state. The US media is already concluding that Major Hassan's crime does in no way reflect upon the patriotism of the Muslim-American population. May be so. My point is that the growing alienation of the Muslims from the mainstream of western collective life is contibuting to the sense of unease and the killings in Fort Hood stems from that feeling of unease.

Let me at the very out set condemn in the strongest possible manner the violence against the  armymen and women at Fort Hood. My point is not to justify the crime but to say why it happened. Major Nidal by all accounts was being radicalised and his peers at Walter Reed had drawn attention to a presentation he made in which he seems to have justified suicide bombings. If thiswas indeed the case why did the Army not pay any attention. The practice of identity based sensitivity forced the authorities to turn a blind eye to the increasing radicalisation of one of their own. In a conflict between secular law and identity based fith based customs the Army must enforce the secular law and in the name of minority rights it cannot permit the radicalisation of its members.

Major Nidal seem,s to have been harassed for his muslim beliefs and humiliated for praticing his religion. By the same token, if an armyman or woman is humiliated the authorities concerned must make a full and complete inquiry and set right the fraying human relations. This is absolutely essential in a heterogenous army.

Finally, it would be a good idea not to deploy Muslims in the Army to serve in Irq and Afghanistan as they would have to fight fellow muslims. Secularists may not understand this, but practicing Muslims put faith above politics and the State.

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Reply #26 Top

If Muslims are not willing to step in and defend other Muslims from the likes of Saddam and Bashir, what good is that faith?
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Ah, but how do you defend those who are under Saddam and Bashirs wrath when you yourself (not you leauki) are killing them? These Muslims give a whole knew meaning to "knocking some sense into people". I wish to save you from the evil Saddam or Infidels of the West but I must kill you to do it.

Reply #28 Top

Our capacity for inane stupidity appears to be boundless
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At least those commenting on his irrational article let him have it.

Reply #29 Top

Ah, but how do you defend those who are under Saddam and Bashirs wrath when you yourself (not you leauki) are killing them? These Muslims give a whole knew meaning to "knocking some sense into people". I wish to save you from the evil Saddam or Infidels of the West but I must kill you to do it.

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By my last count most Iraqis were still alive.

 

Reply #30 Top

The article was too jovial in its tone -  the joking style about an incident where so many people lost their lives or were injured is very inapropriate. And he didn't really say what he thought about the major. But aside the deficiencies in the article, the critique about generalizing is not wrong.

Reply #31 Top

But aside the deficiencies in the article, the critique about generalizing is not wrong.
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Generalizing is not the issue.  We need simply to not ignore what is staring us right in the face.

Reply #32 Top

By my last count most Iraqis were still alive.
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Never said they weren't, but some did die thanks to their own people. Iraqis who were simply going about their day, probably hating American soldiers for being around and all of a sudden, boom, they die thanks to one of their own who thought a bomb in a crowded place was a great way to get their msg across.

Reply #33 Top

And what is that?

People on every level slipped up and didn't notice the signs or take them seriously enough that there was something seriously wrong with Hasan. Who would have guessed that a psychiatrist treating soldiers for PTSD would end up being a mass murderer? If this were fiction, it would be classic dramatic irony. But what I mentioned earlier is true for every other case were someone you would never have guessed ran amok.

Quotes like "he was so nice and friendly, always said hello, quiet, polite, never would have thought him to be capable  et cetera" from neighbors/vendors/co workers can be found for most cases where someone runs amok.

I am really curious as to what the investigation will find out in this case in regards to motive - if it fits with what people assume or if it was some sort of psychotic breakdown. You'll have psychiatrists evaluating a mad psychiatrist - lets hope they stay sane.

Reply #34 Top

Not to 'generalize,' but you know what they say: 'sane psychiatrist' is an oxymoron.;)

Reply #35 Top

Looks like ABC News has found the connection that most people (correctly) assumed. Apparently Hasan's former Imam also ministered to two of the 9/11 terrorists, and he skipped off to Yeman to continue his "work" with Al Queda. Hasan was in contact with his spiritual leader as late as 2008.

The window appears to be closing for the Muslim terrorist apologist's and deniers. Of course nobody should assume all Muslims are terrorists, but let's call a spade a spade.

Reply #36 Top

Anti-American frontlash after frontlash after frontlash, with dead American innocents all around, and all the 'progressives' worry about is a hypothetical anti-Muslim backlash.  Makes me want to puke (Bob Beckel being the latest apologist I've seen/heard).

Reply #38 Top

I'll cheer when Major Nidal Hasan Unibrow gets the electric chair

Reply #39 Top

'sane psychiatrist' is an oxymoron
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I read the article and I agree that it was wholly inapproprite and callous.  I do not understand the point of this tirade against Virginia. All of us do remember the Virginai TEch massacre but that in no way indicts all Virginians.

I think we have to be sort of wary of disciplines whose logic is inherently self-validating and circu;lar like the one Major Nidal claims as his speciality.

Reply #40 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 27
Our capacity for inane stupidity appears to be boundless.
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He's not actually being politically correct by ignoring the facts. That's why he never stated his opinion because it wouldn't be politically correct even though his opinion is the same opinion that the state run media has been pumping out that this has nothing to do with him being muslim and everything to do with the illegal wars that we are fighting.

He's logic is flawed as well.  Its like calling an orange a tangerine.  There may be very similar appearing and even after people point out that its a orange.  The easiest way would be just to go and try it out for yourself to see.  I doubt he would do that......

Quoting utemia, reply 33
And what is that?

Quotes like "he was so nice and friendly, always said hello, quiet, polite, never would have thought him to be capable  et cetera" from neighbors/vendors/co workers can be found for most cases where someone runs amok.

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You'll hear that said about any individual here in the States.  If you watch the news you'll always hear someone commenting about the serial killer that lived next door 'oh, he mowed his lawn and always said hi to me when I saw him.  He just kept to himself.'.  Its because most people in the States, due to the individualistic/independent attitude, don't know their stinkin neighbors are.  You don't see people inviting one another over for coffee or dinner anymore.

Everyone wants to stay in there own little world of escape.  Riding the bus everyone is listening to some type of musical device ignoring what's going on around them.

I get the feeling that most people in the States (I live here and am from there) are escapist and some what deluded from reality. Nor do they actually want to know what reality is.

Reply #41 Top

In all cases of massacres and amok runs that I know of, there were signs that could have been interpreted in a way that would have prevented anything from occuring. Hindsight and all that, right?

It stands to reason that even the slightest complaint or doubt about a person's (woman are almost never the perpetrators in such violent crimes) stability or oppinions will have severe consequences from now on and won't be ignored in the future. I am sure the military is already working on tightening the protocols for that.

Can someone explain the difference between a terrorist and a regular (sorry for sounding callous) amok killer? Allegedly shouting "god is great" in arabic doesn't quantify as alot to make this an act of terrorism. It was his workplace so he shot and killed and injured those that were there which happened to be soldiers. Had it been a walmart employee shooting customers shouting the same, would that have been classified as terrorism as well? Not that it makes a difference, I am just curious as to the criteria.

Reply #42 Top

I'll cheer when Major Nidal Hasan Unibrow gets the electric chair
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That, unfortunately, may never occur. This case appears to fall under Army jurisdiction, and the Army hasn't used the death penalty in a long, long time. I fear we will be feeding this rat for the rest of his life.

Reply #43 Top

In all cases of massacres and amok runs that I know of, there were signs that could have been interpreted in a way that would have prevented anything from occuring. Hindsight and all that, right?
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Agreed. Maybe this guys tirade on the merits of suicide bombing at a conference was his "sign". Hindsight or fear of the PC police?

Reply #44 Top

Several "Muslim" Web sites call him a hero who did the right thing when he heard that he had to go fight Muslims.

I disagree.

He was a coward who preferred shooting unnarmed and unsuspecting comrades rather than go and fight against the terrorists who kill Muslims in Afghanistan.

 

Reply #45 Top

Maybe this guys tirade on the merits of suicide bombing at a conference was his "sign". Hindsight or fear of the PC police?
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Yeah. But the really interesting issue here is the freedom of speech and what is allowed and what isn't. His ramblings about the merits of suicide bombings - do they fall under his constitutional rights or are they a reason to arrest him? It's not exactly a new issue, but I suppose the debate will come up sooner or later. Is someone (who is just) talking about killing people actually committing a crime or not?

Reply #46 Top

Now the Muslim identity is becoming increasingly problematic in the USA and I believe that years and years of promoting identity politics has left the country without the means of even admitting to itself that the islamic identity clashes head long with that of a secular nation state.
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Okay, I'm going to be the bad man in the room but someone's gotta say it.

Connecting a specific incident to a broad-based generalization about an entire group of people is always a dangerous proposition. Why? Because context matters.

Let's take a look at Jim Adkisson. He walked into a unitarian church and started shooting people specifically because of a hatred of gays, liberals and democrats. He was a dyed in the wool conservative who followed the writings and media of O'reilly, Hannity and Savage religiously. In a sworn affidavit, he stated;

"During the interview Adkisson stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them into office. Adkisson stated that he had held these beliefs for about the last ten years."

Now, Adkisson killed 2 people and wounded 7 others. Thankfully he was tackled and disarmed by quick thinking church members before he could do more damage.

Does this incident mean that the "conservative identity is becoming increasingly problematic in the USA"?

Not at all. But using the same logic for the Hasan shootings, it does.

Look at Timothy Mcveigh. His actions killed a whole lot more people than either Adkisson or Hasan. Using the same logic that is being applied to Hasan, this would mean that any caucasian U.S military veteran should be barred from owning or bearing any kind of arms and be monitored by the State the same as registered sex offenders, for our general security of course.

Now, I'm not meaning to make folks angry here but stating that what Hasan did is indicative of Islam in general is using a pretty damn big brushstroke. Afterall, there are 1.4 billion muslims on the planet, almost 5 times more people than the entire population of the U.S.

To further complicate matters, one issue that hasn't had a lot of light shined on it is the dependency of the U.S military has had on Muslims in it's operations overseas AND the effect that dependency has had on the nation's it is trying to help.

Please allow me to explain.

Most U.S servicemembers are not functional in Arabic. Yes, anyone can learn how to say hello, goodbye and such but from an operational standpoint if you can't communicate with the general populace -ESPECIALLY- in a counter-insurgency environment then you've already lost and might as well go home.

To fill this gap, the U.S military has depended heavily on translators. Yes, some officers and NCO's have learned how to speak functional Arabic (we're talking Iraq, Afghanistan is another matter and group of languages entirely) but by an large there has been a massive shortage of translators since day 1 and there still is. So, the U.S military had a couple of choices;

1) Recruit from within the  U.S, taking muslim recruits and sending them overseas largely as translators. While this helped to bridge the gap it wasn't nearly enough so we come to the next option;

2) Recruit locally overseas. Getting a hold of someone who can speak both english and arabic in Iraq means that statistically speaking, that person is going to be generally well-educated. Also, translator jobs in Iraq and Afghanistan pay VERY well in comparison to just about any other vocation. So, folks who otherwise would be doctors, lawyers and engineers... the professional class that any country needs to run it's power and water treatment plants as well as educate the populace and treat their diseases... have instead largely been co-opted to become translators. This has had the effect of delaying or retarding the national rebuilding effort as folks who -could- be employed to help rebuild have instead been employed to travel around with foreign troops as a liason.

The local recruits also face a major problem- they actually live in-country with their families, which means they are a huge target for the enemy. Anyone who's signed up to be a translator in Iraq and Afghanistan knowingly puts not just themselves but also their family in harm's way, so you could say they're taking a major risk and doing a very gutsy thing to help out the Americans.

The point I'm trying to make is that overall, there are many Muslims, both U.S citizens and foreigners, who have gone above and beyond the call of duty to help the U.S as translators and such. In short, you could definitely say that there are many true hero's who are Muslim and also wear the U.S uniform or are employed by them. Without them the U.S adventures overseas would have most assuredly have failed or resulted in far greater death and destruction than has already occurred.

What Major Hasan did is deplorable and has no excuse, just as what Jim Adkisson and Tim Mcveigh did has no excuse either.

But I do not believe it is indicative of a problem with 1.4 billion people, anymore so than the killer of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin would be indicative of a problem with any Israeli citizen who considers themselves to be right wing politically.

It may be fun to make sweeping generalizations, but when you step back and look at the whole picture, Islam is indeed a peaceful religion. It has been co-opted for political and military purposes many times in the past, but so too has Christianity.

I seem to remember this CRAZY thing in Spain called the inquisition (church has just a teensy part to play in that) and the decimation of millions of aboriginals in the America's (north and south) in which we were just doing our Christian duty of spreading the faith to a supposedly backward people.

Reply #47 Top

But I do not believe it is indicative of a problem with 1.4 billion people, anymore so than the killer of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin would be indicative of a problem with any Israeli citizen who considers themselves to be right wing politically.

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Exactly true.

 

Reply #48 Top

do they fall under his constitutional rights or are they a reason to arrest him?
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No not for an arrest, but certainly enough for dismissal from the Army. Spew this type of rhetoric and you'd be fired. I once work at a government contracted job where saying "Merry Christmas" would get you fired. Also many rights afforded to US citizens are not afforded to service men and women. On of those is making political statement for or against any issue while in an official capacity. This is why you don't see military in uniform at political rallies. So no, constitutional rights where not a factor in preventing this tragedy.

Reply #49 Top

Connecting a specific incident to a broad-based generalization about an entire group of people is always a dangerous proposition. Why? Because context matters.
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Well here's the problem little problem with your logic. Our beloved Director of Homeland Security has already placed conservatives, veterans, and tea party goers on the terrorist watch list. It would be to mean and cost some liberal votes if Muslims were to be placed on the list. All this despite the rise of home-grown Muslim related terrorist plots of which the latest being successful.

I'm not suggesting a round up all Muslims, but if you smell rotting fish, check out the fish market, not the meat market.

This incident was 100% preventable. The PC mentality that doesn't want to offend allowed this to occur. If I were a Muslim, I'd have no problem with someone questioning me if they expect something, because it makes it safer for all. In fact, I thank the security screener's that ask to inspect my bag at the airport or the cashier that asks for ID when I use a credit card. Some would be offended or annoyed, but I know these are the people doing their job to protect me and everyone else. People with something to hide are usually the first to hide behind their rights yet unlikely to care about anyone else's if it inconveniences them.

Reply #50 Top

Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.  I'm not nor do I think any one else here is using an ALL statement. Now if people were using an all statement then that would be wrong.

Noticeably, when Islam is in a location there is usually tension.  I've lived in Thailand. There is a saying in Thailand to be Thai is to be Buddhist.  When I was in the Southern part of Thailand there were Muslims there.  The muslims were antagonizing the buddhist. If you see violence in Thailand its most likely from the Southern part.

Again, I'm not saying ALL muslims go around killing people BUT if you do read the qur'an and the hadith you'll gain a better understanding of what they believe.  PARTICUALLY the hadith.  If there is any question to what the qur'an was saying you can just read about how muhammad demonstrated how it was to be. 

To be honest with you, it seems like you've probably never ever read either.  Well maybe you've glanced at the covers. 

You make it seem like most Iraqis don't want the U.S there.  WAY TO BUY what the biased media wants you to buy.  I have some purple koolaid that I am dying for someone to sample.  NEWS FLASH!  Most of the terrorists that have come and taken people hostage, guess what!  Most Iraqis will tell you 'hey! that guys not from around here!' You know how they can tell, by the accents.  You know what the biased daft media said?  They just make a general claim that he's an Iraqi! Wait wait wait, just because he's speaking arabic automatically makes him an Iraqi, what!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrong!

While we're on this subject, how do you feel about Iran?  I'm sure you feel that everyone in Iran hates the U.S and that Mahoud Ahmadinejad is a favorite politican.  Especially, considering the media plays Iranians chatting "Marg bar Amreeka" WAIT WAIT! If you listen to most of the videos they're not saying that because that's in Farsi, they're saying "Al mout li Amreeka" which is in arabic. Hmmm strange how most Iranians speak Farsi.

What's the lesson here: past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior