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Where Obama Would Have Us Go

Knowing that achieving his objective from within would be much more difficult, if not impossible, he's adopted a world-first strategy, allowing him to eventually argue that the US has no choice but to stifle dissenting points of view.  Since everything is religious to Muslims, anything that offends, or might offend, Muslims will become prohibited.

This man is evil.

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Not being religious, and don't hang in those circles so I wouldn't know. So, I only get privilege to see the uninvited homosexuals on my TV whining about why I should support their right to pack each others chutes and call it marriage. So much for good intentions.
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Uninvited...on your TV? Here's a tip: Don't like it? Why not get up off your ass and change the channel, or turn it off? Good grief, what happened to personal responsibility? (No, 'course not, lets push the blame on others...call it uninvited, agenda pushing homosexuals)

Point being, quit worrying about your ignorant conspiracy theory, where you obsess over what homosexuals do in their bedrooms. I assume your marriage isn't all about sex, correct? You do love your wife, or have loved someone. Not something I should be butting into right? Exactly...you guys need to stay out of our bedrooms.

 

~AJ

 

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Reality is that 'fixing the system' is not what currently proposed legislation is about. Dr. Guy is absolutely correct. It's about gaining a stranglehold, no matter the details. They care about the details only as they relate to getting 60 votes, not as to what they mean to your well-being or mine
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It is all theatrics now.  As long as they get SOME law passed - no matter how bad, they figure it will be easier to then pass what they want,  As the American people - even in liberal polls - have said they dont want ANYTHING rght now (until they can make it right) and they are bound and determined to pass SOMETHING, it clearly shows they dont give a damn about their constituents.

But then we always knew that of politicians.  It does lay bare the lie that liberals care.  They feel, but they do not care.

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Point being, quit worrying about your ignorant conspiracy theory, where you obsess over what homosexuals do in their bedrooms
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Whose obsessing about gays and also I offered no theory (What college do you attend again?) You mentioned homosexuals in the first place (see how difficult it is to "turn it off" when it is thrown in your face in topics that are unrelated, so much for getting off ones ass, no pun intended). You're the ignorant one Lucas, always pushing your gay agenda where ever you can, but again it's all about you, right? If I had any input on that subject, I promise I'll seek out one of your articles on issues of importance to gays. No need to seek out responses elsewhere. BTW I could care less what you or anyone else to do in private, wear it out if you like, just don't expect me to call it marriage, it doesn't meet my non-religious definition. I sure your thinking is more in line with Vermont's, everyone with a different opinion is ignorant. That's your choice. It is not yet the liberal socialist utopia so we still free to have our own thoughts for now.

Off topic, I'm glad you have finally come to grips with, what everyone else all ready knew, your liberalness. Knowing is half the battle.

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Knowing is half the battle.
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That's his problem.  He does not know anything.  He feels a lot, but knows little.

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It's looking more & more as time passes that the object of the thread's title is: To Hell.

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It's looking more & more as time passes that the object of the thread's title is: To Hell.
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Quite true. Of course Copenhagen and the up coming heath care bill will be hailed as the greatest Christmas gift to the American people since the US was formed. Yeah, the gift that few wanted, the gift that keeps on taking.

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If I had any input on that subject, I promise I'll seek out one of your articles on issues of importance to gays. No need to seek out responses elsewhere. BTW I could care less what you or anyone else to do in private, wear it out if you like, just don't expect me to call it marriage, it doesn't meet my non-religious definition. I sure your thinking is more in line with Vermont's, everyone with a different opinion is ignorant. That's your choice. It is not yet the liberal socialist utopia so we still free to have our own thoughts for now.
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A utopia will never work, it's impossible. Besides, I never claimed nor implied a desire for a utopia of any kind. All I aim for, (every day) with the activism that I am involved in is the push of our founding principles. Essentially - The god damn universal right to life, liberty, and happiness (as well as our bill of rights), for everyone - religious beliefs, ethical dilemmas be damned.

What matters in our country, is our principles - not the eroding of such.

Americans - no matter who they are - have the natural right to live their life as they see fit, and to tell others who want to force their beliefs on them - to fuck off. It's sad, in my opinion, that many people are so driven by ignorance, religious blindness, heterosexism, that they are not willing to let others live as they see fit.

If only the shoes where switched, then maybe people would get the point.

 

You're the ignorant one Lucas, always pushing your gay agenda where ever you can, but again it's all about you, right?
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So equality under the law is ignorance and a gay agenda? Nitro, you drink way too much of that kool aid. The government's obligation to recognize all of its citizens as equals under the law - is not equal to cultural acceptance. Just look at other things our government does that isn't accepted by most people.

It's a matter of law and principle.

 

Whose obsessing about gays and also I offered no theory (What college do you attend again?) You mentioned homosexuals in the first place (see how difficult it is to "turn it off" when it is thrown in your face in topics that are unrelated, so much for getting off ones ass, no pun intended).
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First off, Nitro, I brought it up to prove a point - i.e. the "good intentions" that you support. Ironically given that you've repeatedly said that good intentions don't mean much.  I guess that's only for liberals right? Secondly, the term theory was used to convey sarcasm - i do apologize for not putting quotes around that, given the failure of the written to word to sometimes convey points made. Thirdly, quit being a dumbass. Aside from being a parapalegic, you can turn off a television or ignore what someone says. Come on Nitro, accept the accountability that comes with watching something you don't agree with, or replying to another individual's post.

 

~Alderic 

 

 

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That's his problem. He does not know anything. He feels a lot, but knows little.
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1) Like the same feeling that you and other conservatives on here have for your religion, tradition, and so on?

2) Good to see you know what I do Doc; as always, you're the well informed know-it-all we love. \s For the record, I research my opinions and think through them. (I also go with facts, not fairy tales)

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It is all theatrics now.  As long as they get SOME law passed - no matter how bad, they figure it will be easier to then pass what they want,  As the American people - even in liberal polls - have said they dont want ANYTHING rght now (until they can make it right) and they are bound and determined to pass SOMETHING, it clearly shows they dont give a damn about their constituents.
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Yes, many americans want health care reform; I also agree, many are not liking the current the bill.

But then we always knew that of politicians.  It does lay bare the lie that liberals care.  They feel, but they do not care.
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No Mr. Einstein, it shows that our elected politicians lie their asses off; conservatives included. There's no logical basis for saying that liberals suddenly are exposed and do not care. You're not like all conservatives now are you? Neither are all liberals.

 

~AJ

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Btw, I want to apologize for my rudeness, a wise man reminded me tonight that we sometimes forget that there are other people on the otherside of these posts/debates. Seeing the human in a person is of one of my core beliefs, and I fell short of it.

~AJ

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Quite true. Of course Copenhagen and the up coming heath care bill will be hailed as the greatest Christmas gift to the American people since the US was formed. Yeah, the gift that few wanted, the gift that keeps on taking.
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Long read to make a point.

Has anyone ever read the Riverworld Series by Phillip Jose Farmer?  It is one of the best SciFi series ever written.  In it, a man, who can completely control his environment (due to technology), has set up his personal world.  In his personal environment, he had a huge house that he kept to his exact likings, but he kept the outside very hot and humid with all kinds of nasty bugs.  When another one of his fellows (who had his own personal environment) asked why he kept his area so nasty (relatively speaking), he said (paraphrasing) "How can you know the joy of an air conditioned house if you dont get to experience the nasty side of existence?".

In essence, America was not going to get better (just get worse slower without Obama) until we experienced hell.  Because if you dont know what hell is, you wont know what to strive for.  Obama is necessary so that at least in the short term, America and know what hell is, and fight to make sure we dont go there again (in the short term - man's knowledge is as short as his life span - in the grand scheme of things).

Now we just have to find someone who can lead us out of hell.

Children vote, but then they dont know anything.  Once they live and experience life, they learn (some do, others just become Pelosis and reids).  They loved Obama.  The smart ones are learning, the stupid ones never will.

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So equality under the law is ignorance and a gay agenda?
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You take my comment totally out of the context of the article and subsequent posts here and add what you wish to support your agenda. If you go way back to my examples you'll note that I referenced two events in the past, prior to my birth and hardly supporting any current agenda's I can think of.

First off, Nitro, I brought it up to prove a point - i.e. the "good intentions" that you support. Ironically given that you've repeatedly said that good intentions don't mean much.
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You missed my point entirely. The person(s) offering the good intentions almost always feel it is fair and righteous. Not always the same for the people/person on the recieving end. I'm sure if you dig hard enough you can find some examples of where it was a good thing for the reciever (Here's one for you Toy's for Tot's... and a host of other charities), but I can name many more "good intentions" that change vast amounts of peoples lives, and not in a good way. I would rather make my own way through life that what the government might have "intended" for me. If your happy with the governments five year plan for AJ, good for you, just don't argue I'm wrong for not wanting it. 

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Now we just have to find someone who can lead us out of hell.
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I hear that.

Children vote, but then they dont know anything. Once they live and experience life, they learn (some do, others just become Pelosis and reids). They loved Obama. The smart ones are learning, the stupid ones never will.
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Maybe a few more will wake up when they are asked to fork over their health insurance premium payments, or else. That Obama fever in 2008 might not feel so right in its present context. For the old folks, it might be a good idea to move to Nebraska, I hear the rest of the country will be insuring ($$$) that Medicare will be solvent there.

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You take my comment totally out of the context of the article and subsequent posts here and add what you wish to support your agenda.
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He is a liberal - what else would you expect?

 

Maybe a few more will wake up when they are asked to fork over their health insurance premium payments, or else. That Obama fever in 2008 might not feel so right in its present context. For the old folks, it might be a good idea to move to Nebraska, I hear the rest of the country will be insuring ($$$) that Medicare will be solvent there.
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A few more?  Odd thing about the first black governnor elected.  He won with just 50.1% of the vote.  But ask residents who voted for him, and he must have won 60-40%! 

So we have it with Obama.  He won about 52.5%?  In 3 years, I wonder if that will be about 45%?  The difference between the firsts?  One was competant and governed well.  The other is not competant and only a mind numbed robot will say he is doing anything well.

And it is not only Nebraska.  Mass, Conn, and LA got some very good plums as well!

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And it is not only Nebraska. Mass, Conn, and LA got some very good plums as well!
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Yeah, the list of "sweetheart" deals is starting to come out now that the bill can be read (I knew about the Louisiana purchase and Nebraska) more to follow I'm sure.

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You missed my point entirely. The person(s) offering the good intentions almost always feel it is fair and righteous. Not always the same for the people/person on the recieving end. I'm sure if you dig hard enough you can find some examples of where it was a good thing for the reciever (Here's one for you Toy's for Tot's... and a host of other charities), but I can name many more "good intentions" that change vast amounts of peoples lives, and not in a good way. I would rather make my own way through life that what the government might have "intended" for me. If your happy with the governments five year plan for AJ, good for you, just don't argue I'm wrong for not wanting it.
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That is my exact point Nitro, good intentions from anyone is just like you say - not necessarily good. It doesn't matter if it is a religious person trying to save someone from the evil of homosexuality, or if it is a liberal who thinks they're helping people.

 

The way I see it, in regards to religious opposition to homosexuality/support for letting people live their lives (my original point), it comes down to two p.o.v.'s:

People trying to help people, albeit (perhaps) out of the good their heart, by changing them to what they expect. The whole idea that you want to save people from sin, while noble, fails to acknowledge that it doesn't help. It may be good intentioned, but sometimes it fails and as you said, [changes] not in a good way.

People pushing the beliefs they think are absolute (again well intentioned). In this case, they fail to acknowledge or respect any difference. Anything different isn't a celebrated thing, but more often the difference is misguided, unwise, unintelligent, and so on.

I just cannot agree to that.

 

Back to the government and intentions - I'm about sitting down and solving a problem, whether the best way is a democrat, republican, libertarian, socialism, communist or purple. If the issue can be solved, and I mean truly solved - then fuck parties.

 

You take my comment totally out of the context of the article and subsequent posts here and add what you wish to support your agenda. If you go way back to my examples you'll note that I referenced two events in the past, prior to my birth and hardly supporting any current agenda's I can think of.
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Nitro, I went with what you said. You consistantly reference a gay agenda time and time again. You seem to think, as I've gathered from YOUR words, that I'm trying to push you into believing something. I'm not.

 

~A

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I knew about the Louisiana purchase
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I take it you do not mean the Jefferson one? ;)

 

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The god damn universal right to life, liberty, and happiness (as well as our bill of rights), for everyone
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It's "pursuit of hapiness" meaning you have the right to make yourself happy not the right to be made happy. Let's get this straight please. This is the reason so many are ignorant and/or confused because they don't read things properly and don't make it their business to make sure what they hear from others is correct. Commenst like these can make people misunderstand. BTW, I wasn't calling you ignorant, just in case.

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It's "pursuit of hapiness" meaning you have the right to make yourself happy not the right to be made happy.
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I think the freudian slip on the author is telling.  Liberals want the government to make them happy.  talk about being unfulfilled, no wonder they are so vitriolic and mean spirited.

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I think the freudian slip on the author is telling. Liberals want the government to make them happy. talk about being unfulfilled, no wonder they are so vitriolic and mean spirited.
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Whereas conservatives like things as they are...the same old shit, subjugation. \s

Seriously though Doc, come on. If we acted like you, we'd likely never be where we are in terms of our freedoms. It was conservative (traditional) people who supported things as they were at various points in times. It was liberals/progressives, and even some conservatives - who fought for progress (women's rights, black rights, etc.)

Liberalism serves a purpose, just as conservatism does - but you can't wholey

 

It's "pursuit of hapiness" meaning you have the right to make yourself happy not the right to be made happy. Let's get this straight please. This is the reason so many are ignorant and/or confused because they don't read things properly and don't make it their business to make sure what they hear from others is correct. Commenst like these can make people misunderstand. BTW, I wasn't calling you ignorant, just in case.
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First off, I had a brain fart and forgot to type "pursuit of."

Secondly, Charles...HOW can you make yourself happy (i.e. pursue it), if you are gay and to pursue YOUR happiness via having a family with the person you love, yet...you cannot. That isn't your happiness, that isn't being free. Sometimes the majority is wrong due to its prejudices and ignorance, sometimes the minority has to step in, with the help of the government and say, for the betterment of our citizens - these people previously not completely free - must be free to live their lives as they see fit (to pursue THEIR american dream). Am I getting any of this across?

 

~AJ

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First off, I had a brain fart and forgot to type "pursuit of."
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I was advised many times when I first came here as to being careful what I wrote because of this same reason. Brain fart or not I am sure what you wrote is what you meant. I base that on your opinions on most political subjects, including the gay issue.
Secondly, Charles...HOW can you make yourself happy (i.e. pursue it), if you are gay and to pursue YOUR happiness via having a family with the person you love, yet...you cannot.
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You move where it's allowed. Again, happiness is something you persue, not something you demand. It's your job to find this happiness and guess what? Sometimes this pursuit will take you far distances. You're problem is that you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want the whole world on a silver plater but you don't want to have to work for it, earn it or even deserve it. You want it just because you believe you deserve it. And I am not simply talking about the gay issue. There are states that allow gay marriages, but no, it has to be in the state you are in. Who gives a damn about other peoples rights to be against it right? What about countries who allow marriages with more than one person, or marriage with underage children? Should we allow this because a group of people believe it's the god or non-god given right to do it? What about torture? Should we allow it? Some countries believe in it. My problem is not with the issue of gay marriages, I could care less whether you get married or not, whether it's legit or not. I have enough faith in God to allow him to be the judge, not me. My problem is with this whole "me, I and myself" attitude that follows these and every other issue. It's always about "my rights" but never about the rights of everyone. There is one thing that people like you will never except. You will never except that there are certain things in life you may never get. I accept that I may never own the computer of my dreams, be rich and/or have sex with Catherine
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Brain fart or not I am sure what you wrote is what you meant.
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I wonder if he even understands what he means.  After all, Napoleon did not require the sheep to understand, just bleat what was told.

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That being said - the bias comes from not the facts per se, but the presentation of the story - which is essentially what each news report is.
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While glancing through this again, it struck me what an admission this is & that I'd missed it the first time through.  I've been saying this about the liberal media for at least a dozen years.  Suddenly it dawns on them.  Go figure.