[Guide] Noob to ... not Noob

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Hi community, I haven’t played DG for some time now, but I check the forum often, and since nothing has changed I'm addressing the last post (so far) on this other thread of mine, Once again, I'm a brazilian, and if english poorly written is something u want to avoid, well, this is a good time to close this window. Now, if u r not noob on this game, this post is not for u, here r the very basic of the game, things that u don't need to follow anymore, but new players should follow. And another thing, if u r a Pro player pls be constructive and give "pro tips" on this topic, I will edit the main post as good as I can.

Ok, so you are a Noob that wants to become better, what should u aim for, u may ask, lets see.

First, this game is not about killing, its about not dying. In case you didn't understand what I just said I'll bluntly said it again: Don't f*cking die. When u die u give ur enemy gold, XP and map control, and u want to avoid that.

So if losing is what u normally get, and u die a lot, play defensively now on, don't die, DONT DIE. How u can manage not dying? Well, Lvl.1-3 dont try to kill an opponent, don't try to push a tower, just farm ur XP and Gold, and if u THINK u may die,  let them have the flag, hug a tower.

Now, a list of DG that normally wont hold a flag in a 1v1 situation (cataract, mainly, and low lvls discussion): Regulus, TB, weird Oak builds, weird QoT builds, Spit UB builds, Not healing Sedna builds, Hammer Rook build.

A list of DG that normaly will hold a flag in a 1v1 situation: Healing Sedna, Ooze HP stacked UB, Oak with monks, Erebus with monks, Tower Rook, QoT (but its to hard to be good with this DG, so, if u are a new player, QoT and any of her builds r on the first list, when u improve she will be on this second list).

A list to 1v1 goodness on holding flags: Sedna.

So, take this little piece of advice, if ur DG is on the first list, play EXTRA defensively, if ur on list 2 facing a list 2 or 3 DG, play EXTRA defensively, if u r playing a healing sedna, hold the freaking flag, if u cant hold a flag as healing sedna on a 1v1 situation, well, u really need to re-read a sedna guide or ask for advice on the forum.

Now, you are alive, its lvl.4-9, what should u do? Buy items, non-expensive ones, ie. the best items on this game. Godplate sux, Scalemail+Banded Armor ROX, Nimoth rox, Unbreakable boots ROX, the 1500 and the 1750 helm rox. Those r the BEST items on the game, get them. If u have the money buy lvl.1 currency or at least ask some1 on ur team (maybe the guy with more kills) to buy it for the team.

Now consumables u should buy and all the time have one on your inventory: Teleport Scrolls, ALL THE TIME. Scrolls will save u from a gank, will help your ally to be ganked, you will be able to defend a crippling tower and a portal that ur enemy is trying to capture. Always carry a TP scroll.

Another useful consumable is Flag Locks. But don't waste your money on this. On your lvl. of play only buy to secure ur portal and for capturing your enemy portal. BUT, don't bother to lock your enemy portal if you don't have at least catas, its almost worthless. And, capturing an enemy portal when u have giants and not locking them, well, thats just meaningless as well.

Another tip: if u die facing another DG on a 1v1 situation and its was a normal fight, ie, both with full health and mana, don't try to take him out again, unless u bought some new item or consumable, u will die again, and remember, DONT DIE.

After u understand this basic stuff, and know how to play with several DG, and know their builds by heart, read the topic I linked on the start of this post.

How do you start with a DG? Read a guide, copy it, EXACTLY the same, only change a guide build after u know how to play very well with the DG, if you are not good enough u wont know how to effectively change the build, and u will die more, DONT DIE.

Well, this is it, don’t die, copy builds, use TP scrolls and flag locks, improve your game, find friends to play together, get pro. DONT die, play defensively.

If u feel the urge to flame me, don’t, and dont die. :P

For all my friend that still plays DG and is reading this post, all the best :D Hope to play a game with u guys soon enough.

PRO TIPS FROM REPLIES:

  • use your spells on allies.
  • do not "waste" mana on creep waves, ofc its fine to do it if your team is pushing for a tower. 
  • spells with utility are better than spells that just do damage. e.g. frost nova is better than fire nova
  • learn to use your spells at the right time. e.g. NEVER use oaks shield on someone who is on full hp. also NEVER do any overhealing with sedna.
  • always try and interrupt.
  • have map awareness, for example, check the minimap after u kill each creep.
  • know when to run and when to not fight
  • tell your team mates what you are doing at all times, if u are leaving them, out of mana, etc..
  • listen to your team mates. its very disappointing when a noob just doesnt feel like listening and loses the game for you.
  • use the ~ so you can see everyones HP at all times
  • keep clicking on where you want to go when you are running away.  Lots of DG's will be distracted by damage and suddenly start attacking something when you really need to be running away.
  • and don't buy more than 1 level of currency, its not cost efficient (see the guides) and you will get pwnd by the other team as their stronger DG's or heavy creep waves crash into you.
  •  In general a bunch of cheaper items are "better" than 1 really expensive item (as the cost/benefit ratio gets worse for more expensive items). 

  • When fleeing while playing a generaltype ALWAYS press N (select all), so u dont put to safety only ur minions.

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    Reply #1 from Demigod Forums Top

    "Another tip: if u die facing another DG on a 1v1 situation and its was a normal fight, ie, both with full health and mana, don't try to take him out again, unless u bought some new item or consumable, u will die again, and remember, DONT DIE."

    this is a biggun. 

    Reply #2 from Demigod Forums Top

    I would like to add to the post, and I will edit it, but for those of you that already read it and r just looking for replies I will post it here. If u are an expert player or pro, pls, reply "pro tips" and I will keep editing the post as best as possible.

     

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    Reply #3 from Demigod Forums Top

    Just to remember: DON'T DIE!

    HAHAHA

    i've lost a game yesterday due to a feeder...he did'nt understand after 10 deaths what happened since he was dying...

     

    Obrigado pelo guia!

    Reply #4 from Demigod Forums Top

    I'm sure your intentions are good, but this wont really help the noob players. To become better one simply needs experience, and you get that by PLAYING ALOT OF GAMES (and trying to learn from mistakes). Try to play in a team just a bit above your level, you will learn most from that.

    That dying is bad, everyone will realise quickly. What's way more important is: WHY DID MY DG DIE IN THIS SITUATION (replay will be in soon, let's hope). How do I prevent it in the future? Every game has rules, and the first thing you do is learn the rules. You learn what's good in what situations, when to get what items. Some items are generally better then others, some depend on the situation. The same goes for citadell upgrades. So you have to learn whats best for what. There's alot of guides in this forum, and most of them resolve around the same 10-12 item pieces, 4-5 consumables and maybe half a dozen upgrades. So, LEARN THE RULES.

    FOCUS ON ONE DG at a time, until you feel you're good enough with it. They all play differently. Tanking may work fine with an Unclean Beast, but gets squishy DGs like Torchbearer oder Regulus killed very very easily. Start with a DG that doesn't require alot of mirco management. Unclean Beast, Regulus and Oak are easier DGs to begin with. I'd avoid Queen of Thorns at first, for example.

    After around 200-500 games you should start getting the hang of it, and you will have one or two DGs you are quite good with. This is the point where you can play in EXPERT games without too much trouble.

    To become a PRO (and I can tell you, I'm still far from that) you need to play even more, and do that with and vs other good players. At this point you hardly benefit from bashing noobs in prearranged games. It get's odd very quickly. This is all about REFINING YOUR SKILLS, exploiting every mistake the enemy does for your own benefit. You know what to do in at which point, what counters what, but for it to work versus really good players: it's all about perfect TIMING and making them think they are in a better position, when they are not.

     

     

    Reply #5 from Demigod Forums Top

    Quoting ntropy, reply 4
    I'm sure your intentions are good, but this wont really help the noob players. To become better one simply needs experience, and you get that by PLAYING ALOT OF GAMES (and trying to learn from mistakes). Try to play in a team just a bit above your level, you will learn most from that.

    End of ntropy's quote

    So, delete the Strategy forum?

    Quoting ntropy, reply 4


    FOCUS ON ONE DG at a time, until you feel you're good enough with it. They all play differently. Tanking may work fine with an Unclean Beast, but gets squishy DGs like Torchbearer oder Regulus killed very very easily. Start with a DG that doesn't require alot of mirco management. Unclean Beast, Regulus and Oak are easier DGs to begin with. I'd avoid Queen of Thorns at first, for example.

    After around 200-500 games you should start getting the hang of it, and you will have one or two DGs you are quite good with. This is the point where you can play in EXPERT games without too much trouble.

    To become a PRO (and I can tell you, I'm still far from that) you need to play even more, and do that with and vs other good players. At this point you hardly benefit from bashing noobs in prearranged games. It get's odd very quickly. This is all about REFINING YOUR SKILLS, exploiting every mistake the enemy does for your own benefit. You know what to do in at which point, what counters what, but for it to work versus really good players: it's all about perfect TIMING and making them think they are in a better position, when they are not.

     

     
    End of ntropy's quote

    Never Regulus for new players, its the hardest one to be of any good with it, and its the worst DG on this game, yes, worst than QoT. 

    UB and Sedna are the best to begin with, for sure, not because its less micro, but bc they don't die to fast.

    But I'm dissapointed at u man, no good use on this post, or maybe I should be disa at me, oh well. 

    Reply #6 from Demigod Forums Top

    I'm sure your intentions are good, but this wont really help the noob players. To become better one simply needs experience, and you get that by PLAYING ALOT OF GAMES (and trying to learn from mistakes). Try to play in a team just a bit above your level, you will learn most from that.
    End of quote

    any guides are of some help, of course to really learn you need to play and pay attention. but guides can help improve the learning curve, things will click faster when you can realize "oh yeah, now that hint makes sense"

    Reply #7 from Demigod Forums Top

    The difference between a good noob and a bad noob is a good noob has read some strategy guides on this forum and have more basic tactics and knowledge of the game than a bad noob so yes this thread and these forum section are highly valuable. If you play alot of games but never take the initiative to better yourself then you're still going to suck at this game.

    Reply #8 from Demigod Forums Top

    lol spit ub holds flags nice against sedna or oak also best line controlers is rook,erebus and maybe qot.

    Reply #9 from Demigod Forums Top

    Quoting Wickedrusher, reply 8
    lol spit ub holds flags nice against sedna or oak also best line controlers is rook,erebus and maybe qot.
    End of Wickedrusher's quote

    Spit UB againg Sedna? Oak? Pls, readers, disregard wickedrusher, he doesnt know what he is talking about. If u "lol" at my post, well, go learn to play the game, since this "guide" doesnt serve u, continue to suck on this game. Best luck, dont join my team, leave my topic.

    Reply #10 from Demigod Forums Top

    here are some other important things for a noob to know:

    • use your spells on allies.
    • do not "waste" mana on creep waves, ofc its fine to do it if your team is pushing for a tower. 
    • spells with utility are better than spells that just do damage. e.g. frost nova is better than fire nova
    • learn to use your spells at the right time. e.g. NEVER use oaks shield on someone who is on full hp. also NEVER do any overhealing with sedna.
    • always try and interrupt.
    • have map awareness, for example, check the minimap after u kill each creep.
    • know when to run and when to not fight
    • tell your team mates what you are doing at all times, if u are leaving them, out of mana, etc..
    • listen to your team mates. its very disappointing when a noob just doesnt feel like listening and loses the game for you.
    • use the ~ so you can see everyones HP at all times
    • THINK AND USE YOUR BRAIN.
    • last but not least, never play a full fire build TB with me on your team.
    Reply #11 from Demigod Forums Top

    Here's a simple one - keep clicking on where you want to go when you are running away.  Lots of DG's will be distracted by damage and suddenly start attacking something when you really need to be running away.  Or you get temporarily stunned and your waypoint suddenly disappears.  I died a lot early on because I thought just 1 click would do the job when retreating, now I click like crazy.

    In fact, watch your pathfinding in general.  A number of DG (Rook in particular) get hung up on edges of the map.  Or they suddenly decide the best way to the point is under every enemy tower.

    Oh, and don't buy more than 1 level of currency, its not cost efficient (see the guides) and you will get pwnd by the other team as their stronger DG's or heavy creep waves crash into you.  In general a bunch of cheaper items are "better" than 1 really expensive item (as the cost/benefit ratio gets worse for more expensive items). 

    Ren

    Reply #12 from Demigod Forums Top

    Tips from another noob:

    When fleeing while playing a generaltype.

    make it a habbit to spam the 'h' or 'n' keybefore you move.

     

    I don't know how many times I have died because I triesd to flee while having only my minions selected.

     

    Reply #13 from Demigod Forums Top

    Stack3d (great to see u around man), Unclean and Teleruin, thx for the constructive replies, keep'em comming, OP edited.

    Reply #14 from Demigod Forums Top

    Howdy... Thanks for the a Newbe help, Read it and enjoyed, please keep up the good work, have owned the game for 3 days, any help is good help.

     

    Reply #15 from Demigod Forums Top

    Hmm, i don't think that curr 2 or 3 is useless. It is very situational. For example in a 4v4 or 5v5 curr 2 is usefull if you already have giants. Sometimes it's better to just keep your money and buy artifacts, but you could also take one for the team. If you buy currency, it may hurt YOU personally, but it will really benefit your allies. As for currency 3.....well it's a tricky one. You should generally not buy it as it is not worth it. However....if u are in a 4v4 or 5v5 and the game has already been going on a while, and no one shows signs of winning....u shld at least consider buying currency 3. Why?

    Well, in a few minutes, it will REALLY start to kick in. Everybody on your team will have mage slayer/ashkandor/girdle of giants and you will quickly overpower your opponents. But i say again, it's very situational. If you are a begginer and you aren't really sure you should be making these decisions, then just save your money and get that mage slayer.

    Also, fire tb isn't that bad if you know how to use him. He's probably better for newbs as he is just pure damage dealing. No real need to think there....just cast your spells when they are available. Ice TB requires more finesse, and that is for intermediate to pro players. At any rate, you shld try both, and see which one suits your playstyle.

    Reply #16 from Demigod Forums Top

    Also, fire tb isn't that bad if you know how to use him.
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    no matter how good you are as full fire TB youll still be shit and non beneficial to your team.

    Reply #17 from Demigod Forums Top

    Quoting StAcK3D_ActR, reply 16

    Also, fire tb isn't that bad if you know how to use him.


    no matter how good you are as full fire TB youll still be shit and non beneficial to your team.
    End of StAcK3D_ActR's quote

    Agreed. But i was reffering to how easy it is for begginers. And he is about as simple as you can get besides ub. As soon as you can cast a spell, you cast it, that is how you play fire tb. No tactic, no actual thinking. It's ideal for a beginner who doesn't like to get in the middle of the fight, like ub.

    As for not being beneficial to your team, yeah, he's not that usefull, but then again.....if you are a newbie you aren't that usefull to your team in the first place so going full fire can't be that bad either. I personally either go full ice or a ice-oriented hybrid. My real favorite however, is an oak assassin build.

    Reply #18 from Demigod Forums Top

    Agreed.
    End of quote

    thank god, i was getting worried for you then.

    Reply #19 from Demigod Forums Top

    Quoting StAcK3D_ActR, reply 18

    Agreed.


    thank god, i was getting worried for you then.
    End of StAcK3D_ActR's quote

    Aww stop it, you're making me blush.

    Reply #20 from Demigod Forums Top

    I agree too^^ A full fire TB is nonsense for the team. He has no stuns or slows. He can only do dmg and thats with fireball (stealing) and the circle of fire (who keeps standing in it?)

    I prefer my Hybrid TB mainly ice skilled.

     

    A noob shouldn't play an fire TB cause he won't learn much about gameplay..

    Killing other Demigods cause of stealing isn't helpfull for the team.