The War On Christians In The Middle East

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Mmm, humans. Just because someone is different, we have to persecute them. Oi vey...

 

Thanks to religion.

 

That does seem to be the most notable and consistant, but it can be anything.

Thanks to the religion of the victims.

These people are persecuted and killed because of their religion.

Happens in Saudi-Arabia, Iran, and secular China.

 

It's the other's religion that tells them to do it. Except China. (At least that's how they interpret it.)

The fact that Christianity, Judaism and other indiginous religions survived Islam in the middle east while no European religion survived Christianity tells me that Islam has not traditionally told people to kill Christians or Jews.

China's secular ideology, like Stalin's, on the other hand speficially and always demanded persecution of Christians (and Jews and Muslims).

 

Hardly. No evil Muslim or fanatical branch of Islam has ever come close to matching the crimes of secular dictators like Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. And neither did fanatical Christians.

 

I didn't know it was a contest. 

From what? The prosecution rests.

 

Crusades, beheadings, hitler, abortion clinic bombers? You can't pin it solely on secularists Leauki, to do that would be irrational and prejudiced.

I actually have a story on my personal email that I can't really share with you, but I wish I could.  It's a prayer chain message from one of our missionaries.  Everything in the letter is coded.  No names and places are fully mentioned. 

It's about a young girl (Muslim) who converted to Christ.  A young man wished to marry her and when she said no, he reported her new found faith to her family and anyone who would listen.  She's now in very grave danger.  Her family beat the tar out of her telling her to recant.  She would not.  She was put in a closet with no food and water until she recanted.  She was in there for days.  Her own family!!

There's more but that's all I can share.  It's a very grave situation that gets played out all over time and time again.  It's going to get worse as things really start to heat up. 

 

 

 

It just goes to show you the lengths that people will go to in the name of their faith, or lack thereof. Hopefully the girl will be safe (well, safer).

 

Be well, ~Alderic

The most famous abortion clinic bombers were not Christians.

Hitler was a secularist, not a Christian.

The crusades killed FAR fewer people than Mao or Stalin.

 

1. Your point? Who cares who the most famous one was. This isn't some popularity contest. Point stands that it was still done by those who were/are religious. Some people even threw in their support for it.

2. Actually he professed faith frequently.Whether or not he truly believed it, i don't know. The evidence shows that he did profess a faith (a somewhat aryan form of christianity namely). In fact, hitler openly condemned secularism and atheism.

3. The point isn't who killed the most or who is more popular Leauki. The problem I'm having is that to imply that secularlists are the most prone (or whatever) to such crimes, comes off as irrational. Personally, I find it to be utter crap. It comes down, in my observations, to the mindsets of the individuals - whether they are religious, secularist, or purple.

 

I just don't see your point. Care to go further?

If that isn't the point, why did you state that religion is the "most notable and consistent" reason for such violence?

And suddenly, when it is pointed out that secular murderers have been much more violent, it's not the point any more.

Weird.

 

 

 

>_>

 

Because i was trying to make a point, but whatever...

Yes, you and I both.

 

I'll just take this moment to point out that the secular murderous bastards in question were/are hardcore ideologues. Insofar as I'm concerned, ideology is indistinguishable from religion.

It's also worth pointing out that while ideology can inspire the evil behaviour we're talking about, LACK of ideology has never been the inspiration for it so far as I can tell.

Now would the athiests in the room PLEASE avoid knee jerk anti-religious sentiments and acknowledge the situation is a lot less clear cut than "zomg religion = EVILZ"?

 

Who said I was implying that religion is evil? >_> I was pointing out that it's foolish and naive/ignorant to say that secularists/atheists are the primary cause of evil or what not. Which, is what I infered was being implied.

True.




Lack of ideology has never been the inspiration for anything. Ideology is simply the brain activity required to make a human body do something that benefits what the human brain in question considers a higher goal.




Yes, that would be nice.

I wanted to point out a very real problem in the middle east which is usually overlooked, not just blame Islam for violence. It is perhaps unfortunate the the middle east is not China and I thus had to use self-declared "Islamic" states as examples rather than communists, but it is also quite immaterial.

At what point did I imply in any way that secularists or atheists are the primary cause of evil BEFORE you and "infidel" brought up the theory that religion is the culprit?

My article points the finger solely at self-proclaimed followers of a religion, it had nothing to do with secularists or atheists.

Then you and "infidel" brought up the idea that "religion" is to be blamed.

I tried to keep the focus on the victims, the Christians, by pointing out that they are victims both in the Islamic world as they are in secular societies. That's why I mentioned China.

This article was not about Islam, not about China, not about religion or secularism being more evil, it was SOLELY and ONLY about persecuted Christians, who are persecuted for their religion. I just wanted to write about the victims, not accuse any belief system, not even communism.

I quoted the part about Iran and Saudi-Arabia because they persecute Christians, NOT because they are Muslim countries. I could have made the same point if the story was set in China and I knew more about China.

Some countries persecute Christians because they are Christians, and those countries are secular or religious. The common theme is the persecution of Christians.

 

What were they?

Hitler was crazy and a religion of one. Religion is the number one reason how normally sane people justify mass murder.

Only because they didn't have the modern war machines that Mao or Stalin had.  Not to mention populations were far smaller and more spread out back then. Do you not believe that if radical Islam possessed the means to wipe America and Israel from the map they would do so?

 

 

My point was that in the article you quoted, the victims were guilty of converting from one religion to another.

Most likely they weren't Christians.  If they were, then they were very very bad Christians.  They weren't following their leader, who was peaceful and taught us to be as well.  They were doing their own thing.  Can't help the fact that some call  themselves Christians giving Christianity a bad name. 

Jesus said the world will know us by our love.  So to me that says, no love, no evidence. 

I agree. Just like Fred Phelps.