And You Don't Believe In Gun Control

If he was arrested and convicted of a gun-related crime, his right to carry a firearm should already have been revoked under current law.

 

I ask you, why did any of these men deserve to have a gun?

The hunters who got shot were law abiding citizens, that's why they deserved to have guns.  The Laoation guy had prior arrests for firearm related incidents, he was the one who shouldn't have had the gun.  He was on private property, he had no business being there, and he was asked to leave (although I think it was more a question of being told to get the fuck out).  Of course this idiot's going to say he got shot at first, but that still doesn't explain why he shot 6 people dead.  He could have just stopped the threat on his life and left it at that, but he carried on and he murdered 5 other people and wounded a few more...with an assault rifle, no less. 

I'm all about gun control, but we need to properly enforce the laws we have now, not go about creating new ones.

I'm all about gun control, but we need to properly enforce the laws we have now, not go about creating new ones.

Exaclty, dharmagrl.

If he was arrested and convicted of a gun-related crime, his right to carry a firearm should already have been revoked under current law.

Again reiterating dhrmagrls' point.

We cannot punish everyone because of the misdeeds of a few. If you would like more information about why I believe in the second amendment, please click here

The Laoation guy had prior arrests for firearm related incidents, he was the one who shouldn't have had the gun.

This is also what I believe. I just don't want to single out the guy. Did they shoot at him first? I don't know. That is why I included them as well.

An interesting article on the SKS rifle appears at: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5100076.html

"John Monson, owner of Bill's Gun Shop and Range in Robbinsdale, regularly stocks "two or three" SKS semiautomatic rifles of the kind authorities said Chai Soua Vang of St. Paul used to kill six people and wound two others.

The weapon is often misrepresented as an "assault" rifle, Monson said, but the popular "sporterized," or hunting, version sold by Monson and used by some deer hunters was not covered by the federal assault weapons ban that recently expired."

"In 1989, President George H.W. Bush, in a presidential order, banned the import of SKS rifles from China following a mass shooting with an assault rifle in Stockton, Calif. Since then, SKS rifles manufactured in Russia and Yugoslovia have been imported into the United States."



So, the gun was legal because it presumably was manufactured outside of China.

Did they shoot at him first? I don't know. That is why I included them as well.

If they did.....well, the crime scene evidence will show if they did or not.

Here's a thought, though......how come the Laoatian guy didn't get shot?  There were what, 8 or 9 hunters around, all armed....and not one of them managed to hit him?  Doesn't sound right to me.

It doesn't really matter if it sounds right to you.

If they did.....well, the crime scene evidence will show if they did or not.

To validate my point, that's why I included them. He said they shot first so, to not include them, at this point in time, would be wrong.

not covered by the federal assault weapons ban that recently expired."

The assault weapons ban only prehibited the manufacture of assault weapons (no matter what type) but not the sale of those weapons. Before the so called ban expired, anyone could still purchase an assault weapon.

I personally love to deer hunt with an SKS, the quantity of bullets over the quality of the shot being my prime motive. I love to grill a big thick deer steak and spit out the bullet(s) afterward. Clearly this man was nuts to begin with. Gun control or not, cheeseheads have problems. Come on, have you seen the foam things on their heads during football games? Granted, I've shot at hunters also, but they were bow hunters and they were trespassing. And I intentionally missed, so don't call me a bad shot.

Come on, have you seen the foam things on their heads during football games?

Yeah, what is up with that? Thanks for bringing a little humor. Sometimes we all are guilty of taking ourselves too seriously.

Here's an excerpt from the MSNBC news article on this:

Vang said he removed the scope from his rifle and began firing, continuing to shoot as the group scattered. He said one of the victims, Joey Crotteau, tried to run away, but Vang chased him, got within 20 feet and shot him in the back. Crotteau, 20, was killed. Willers was wounded and was listed in fair condition Tuesday.

Vang said as he began to run, an ATV with two people drove past and he fired three or four times, causing both people to fall off the machine. He said that he looked up the trail, saw that one of the men was standing, yelled, “You’re not dead yet?” and fired one more shot in the man’s direction. He said he did not know if he hit the man or not./

They also mention that there was one gun between the 8 hunters who showed up on ATV's to escort this man off the private property.

I have to ask the question, though.....why did it take 8 grown men to tell someone that he was on private land and to bugger off? 

 

All know is, yer gonna have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands...right after my hunting incident. It's the American way, dammit!

As the story came I heard that the asian man was in full camo.....
why? If you know anything about deer hunting you wear Blaze orange
for safety from other hunters. In this case he was hunting man!
Lock him up.

Reply By: SameOldRat Posted:
Tuesday, November 23, 2004

It doesn't really matter if it sounds right to you.
"If they did.....well, the crime scene evidence will show if they did or not."

To validate my point, that's why I included them. He said they shot first so, to not include them, at this point in time, would be wrong.

Rat,
I think you may have overreacted, taking dharma's point the wrong way...

I'm no fan of guns, but that aside, this guy was obviously crazed.

think you may have overreacted, taking dharma's point the wrong way...

I thought so too.....but that's par for the course. 

Hey Rat, you got an email address, I have unrelated question for ya....feel free to delete this post.

-Suspeckted

why did it take 8 grown men to tell someone that he was on private land and to bugger off?

Well, first of all, not all of them were necessarily men; at least one of the victims was a 27-year-old woman who was with her father (also now deceased, I think).
Secondly, hunting can be a surprisingly social activity. Going in a group of 8 is somewhat uncommon, but having 3, 4 or 5 people in your group is quite normal. So a group of people coming back to their blind and finding a squatter is not an improbable scenario.

Here's a thought, though......how come the Laoatian guy didn't get shot? There were what, 8 or 9 hunters around, all armed....and not one of them managed to hit him? Doesn't sound right to me.

Ya might want to know when most people are being shot at they kinda freeze and freak...... being shot at is way different than shooting a deer.

There were what, 8 or 9 hunters around, all armed

They were NOT all armed. As Dharmagrl pointed out, the article mentions that at the time, the 8 hunters had all of ONE gun between them.

Secondly, hunting can be a surprisingly social activity. Going in a group of 8 is somewhat uncommon, but having 3, 4 or 5 people in your group is quite normal. So a group of people coming back to their blind and finding a squatter is not an improbable scenario.

There were 2 or 3 that came across the blind, then they radio'd the others to tell them what was up. They called for back up.

Ya might want to know when most people are being shot at they kinda freeze and freak

Have you been shot at?  I have.  I didn't freeze, nor did I freak.

 

Voodoo

Granted, I've shot at hunters also, but they were bow hunters and they were trespassing. And I intentionally missed, so don't call me a bad shot.

Hehe. That's the attitude!

Dirty

All know is, yer gonna have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands...right after my hunting incident. It's the American way, dammit!

You're a bad, bad, sarcastic man, dirty. Funny, though.

Citahellion

Going in a group of 8 is somewhat uncommon, but having 3, 4 or 5 people in your group is quite normal.

Yeah. My uncles, dad, grandpa, and some grandkids all go together each year. Now, as more and more grandkids become anti-gun, the group is shrinking, but for a while, there must have been 10-15 of them. Quite the socialization experience, I imagine.

Moderate

most people are being shot at they kinda freeze and freak

I think I'd duck and run. dharma, you got more sense than me, probably.

ll

think I'd duck and run. dharma, you got more sense than me, probably.

Ha! I doubt that!  Your reaction would have been correct....that's what I did.