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something i found major op

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i was fighting like usual  it was even  niether side was winning or lose  both side were holding there own  then there regulus got ashkandor and then we all started dieing a shit load more  we  got pushed straight back and then lost

regulus  killed us all  and did rediculous amounts of dmg he took ur rook out in a few sec and he had 8k health ashkandor in the hands off a quick attack is op

the item has 10% chance to do a 4X crit + 120dmg  and 25% attack speed  12% life steal

it is so powerful it is op  even sedna  who with out anyother crit items does 300dmg norm which  adding this makes a 1.6k crit

which i think is kinda rediculous espically when 2 sides are even till  someone gets it

it does more then all skills and if the reg is smart and gets wing even lvl 1  then mobs dont work  and niether does demis it just seems screwed up a item can change the tide in a battle

and people bitch about HOL  i say ashkandor is a shit load more dangerous

why does this game have crit items it isn't like u need them espically seeing asthis isn't a mmorpg were kiling the enermy is important

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Lol again Teseer a 18k item is kind of ment to END a evenly matched game. Its ment to give one team a considerable advantage in order to win. In most of the games I have played the games usually end before anyone could ever amass that amount of gold to begin with. And for him to have gathered that in any quick order he must of been killing you guys alot before he got it anyways?

I was playing against a enemy regulus in a skirmish, his teammate left earlier on. So it was me as Rook and a guy as Regulus vs this single Regulus player. He got Ashkandor and you know what? We lost the match. But getting an item like that for that much gold is kinda deserving of the win. You practicaly sacrifice any upgrades to the citadel or other items for a single item. So it better be darn worth it.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

Regulus doesn't have some magical inate ability that gives him insane dps with an ashkandor. Final demigod stats at level 20 have all 8 demigods' rate of fire between 0.88 and 1.04 and the overall dps between 280 and 326. Regulus is 1.01 and 292 dps. The stats scale linearly from level 1 for all demigods.

So the only thing buffing his damage more than any other demigod could achieve with items is skill points. He gets a modest improvement through angelic fury.

I dislike regulus autoattack too (from a depth and fun perspective) but all this "Regulus is shooting so fast! Adding an ashkandor gives so much more damage for him over others!" is completely disproven by making actual measurements. It just shows that cognitive biases are hard at work when you sit there watching regulus shoot stuff.

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OrexxerO, reply 1
Lol again Teseer a 18k item is kind of ment to END a evenly matched game. Its ment to give one team a considerable advantage in order to win. In most of the games I have played the games usually end before anyone could ever amass that amount of gold to begin with. And for him to have gathered that in any quick order he must of been killing you guys alot before he got it anyways?

I was playing against a enemy regulus in a skirmish, his teammate left earlier on. So it was me as Rook and a guy as Regulus vs this single Regulus player. He got Ashkandor and you know what? We lost the match. But getting an item like that for that much gold is kinda deserving of the win. You practicaly sacrifice any upgrades to the citadel or other items for a single item. So it better be darn worth it.
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Again, no deaths, just citadel upgrades and killing Cats/Priests brings a lot of gold very quick.

But hey, I'm in the minority here, so rather then try to argue my point, I'll just leave it at that. People tend to just throw out insults and ramble on how they assume everything has worked evar.

Beleive what you like, I feel they should be toned down.

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Lieu-, reply 2
Regulus doesn't have some magical inate ability that gives him insane dps with an ashkandor. Final demigod stats at level 20 have all 8 demigods' rate of fire between 0.88 and 1.04 and the overall dps between 280 and 326. Regulus is 1.01 and 292 dps. The stats scale linearly from level 1 for all demigods.

So the only thing buffing his damage more than any other demigod could achieve with items is skill points. He gets a modest improvement through angelic fury.

I dislike regulus autoattack too (from a depth and fun perspective) but all this "Regulus is shooting so fast! Adding an ashkandor gives so much more damage for him over others!" is completely disproven by making actual measurements. It just shows that cognitive biases are hard at work when you sit there watching regulus shoot stuff.
End of Lieu-'s quote

This is spot on. Can't really say more than that!

Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

if you let the other team get a ashkandor and you didnt have the cash to buy 1 your self or counter it in other ways.

then the game wasnt even and you were already losing you just didnt know it yet.

if you think regulus is bad with that wep wait and see what other demigods can do with it.

yeah its a game breaker if some 1 gets it if i get the ashkandor on my demi god i will be knocking on you citadeldoor 60 sec later and it wont matter if you got gaints. yeah the items is powerfull and yeah it might be a little cheap should cost 25k i render but you should not nerf stats (yet).

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Krazikarl, reply 19

but a 18k crit item in the hands off any other demigod doesn't have a huge success chance because regulus can fire so quickly it makes him so ubber powerful
Sure.  BUT, Reg is a famously weak DG early on.  So it gets the advantage of being strong late, but gets the disadvantage of being weak early.  That sounds pretty balanced to me.  As people have been saying, you should have ended the game WAY before you let a Reg get an 18k artifact if things were equal.  They were a better team than you and won.

Complaining that Reg is too powerful because of late game conditions only is just silly.  You also need to take into account what is going on for the early and mid game, which is usually when matches are decided anyway and thus more important.

Reg is a VERY strong tiebreaker.  But tiebreaking is such an infrequent thing that its not really a major part of discussing the balance of DGs.  Its just one small advantage in a Reg user's favor, which is balanced (as I've pointed out) by other disadvantages.
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what demi isn't weak earily on   i have played as reg and held my own ins earily and mid battles   it is fun till about when he get the crit items then it gets boring real fast u dont use skills u just do dps  u never see a reg in late battle this isn't a noob using skills at the late stage

regulus is fine  as a demi but him with ash is op and ub is op if u make him a dps build with the crit items

 

ashkandor is op  but on reg it just makes u think meh

 i was playing a match  iwas reg i was holding the line on exile just out side our base  not letting the ebnermy get closer or the mobs  i killed them all it wasn't even hard  and they eventually kill there towers and then  i pushed  them out killing them and then we won

come on 1 demi  can hold the line againist loads off others

they had giants we had priests  i had to buy up and hold the line

Reply #32 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OrexxerO, reply 1
Lol again Teseer a 18k item is kind of ment to END a evenly matched game. Its ment to give one team a considerable advantage in order to win. In most of the games I have played the games usually end before anyone could ever amass that amount of gold to begin with. And for him to have gathered that in any quick order he must of been killing you guys alot before he got it anyways?

I was playing against a enemy regulus in a skirmish, his teammate left earlier on. So it was me as Rook and a guy as Regulus vs this single Regulus player. He got Ashkandor and you know what? We lost the match. But getting an item like that for that much gold is kinda deserving of the win. You practicaly sacrifice any upgrades to the citadel or other items for a single item. So it better be darn worth it.
End of OrexxerO's quote

most off your games end before anyhone getting 18k so your games finished arround lvl 7    most games end arround 33k-50k

and it was a long match dude  i think before the reg got it  we had 3 loses in total

 

Quoting angryandroid, reply 4

Quoting Lieu-, reply 2Regulus doesn't have some magical inate ability that gives him insane dps with an ashkandor. Final demigod stats at level 20 have all 8 demigods' rate of fire between 0.88 and 1.04 and the overall dps between 280 and 326. Regulus is 1.01 and 292 dps. The stats scale linearly from level 1 for all demigods.

So the only thing buffing his damage more than any other demigod could achieve with items is skill points. He gets a modest improvement through angelic fury.

I dislike regulus autoattack too (from a depth and fun perspective) but all this "Regulus is shooting so fast! Adding an ashkandor gives so much more damage for him over others!" is completely disproven by making actual measurements. It just shows that cognitive biases are hard at work when you sit there watching regulus shoot stuff.
This is spot on. Can't really say more than that!
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the dmg per shot is arround 335-400 at lvl 7  and 500 arround 10  if u count the attaclk speed boosts u can get ull be firing so fast that it is impossible to win

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting rivaris, reply 5
if you let the other team get a ashkandor and you didnt have the cash to buy 1 your self or counter it in other ways.

then the game wasnt even and you were already losing you just didnt know it yet.

if you think regulus is bad with that wep wait and see what other demigods can do with it.

yeah its a game breaker if some 1 gets it if i get the ashkandor on my demi god i will be knocking on you citadeldoor 60 sec later and it wont matter if you got gaints. yeah the items is powerfull and yeah it might be a little cheap should cost 25k i render but you should not nerf stats (yet).
End of rivaris's quote

 

personally  having a game break where the dude wins with out using skills just firing with his normal it is so much fun 

come on this is a skill based game mainly out skilling your enermy like if  a ub  uses spit the the stun drain then spit again that takes skill  clicking on the target  and then  waiting for him to die first time is fun 2nd time is alright 3rd u switch dudes

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting si1foo, reply 8
personally  having a game break where the dude wins with out using skills just firing with his normal it is so much fun 

come on this is a skill based game mainly out skilling your enermy like if  a ub  uses spit the the stun drain then spit again that takes skill  clicking on the target  and then  waiting for him to die first time is fun 2nd time is alright 3rd u switch dudes
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It's been said clearly by Lieu- that using the Ashkandor on any DG is going to make them very powerful, but obviously DG builds designed for maximum DPS, such as particular Regulus or UB builds, are going to do more damage with it. It's been a good discussion to follow, but factoring in player skill requirements, or how fun a particular DG is to play, is not really going to determine whether it's an OP item or not.

Is it just me or are the same arguments being recycled over and over? I think there's not much more that can be said.

Reply #35 from Stardock Forums Top

Clicking spit, bite, then spit again is not any more 'skillful' than just auto attacking. Spamming your skills != having skill.

Skill is about timing, teamwork, and using resources wisely. I don't think it has much to do with autoattack vs skill spam.

I umpteenth the idea that farming 18k is the 'skill' you got beat with. As others said, why didn't you have 18k for it if he did and you weren't being outplayed?

Also, both of you should've bought sludge slingers and chained their usage to kill his dps. :)