Can Dread Lords be killed in Campaign?

I'm new to ToA, having played quite a bit of vanilla GalCiv2, so I was surprised when the Dread Lords popped up in the campaign I'm playing. They came after me with a dreadnaught, so I fought back unsuccessfully.

 

I attacked with 3 fleets. The first two drained the Dread Lord ship to 1HP, but when I attacked with the 3rd fleet somehow the Dread Lord ship survived with 8 HP! What happened? Are they invincible? Because that would seriously suck. Their planet borders my territory.

 

Help please!

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You're observing the tie rule in action.  Since "destroyed" ships "fire back" in DA/TA, to simulate "simultaneous" combat within GC2's engine, a tie rule was created (sadly, no MAD-mutually assured destruction).  The bottom line is that so long as you are bringing ships/fleets to the party that 1) have less attack than he does per ship (which in the case of the DL ships is practically always true) or 2) aren't going to survive the first round of combat in the first place due to the other change that DA/TA brought to combat (each weapon fires individually and as such a ship can take out as many ships as it has weapons per round), you're not going to kill it.

You can get lucky by not meeting 1) while barely meeting 2) but since the targeting priority is a function of attack divided by the total of defense and hp, if you're using the same size of hulls at least, your high attack ship will be the first to go down regardless.  Still, a mix strategy can be done if neither 1) nor 2) will accomplish it, by soaking up just enough damage with larger ships, after all the smaller ones pop-this is somewhat dependent on the DL's current firepower and more specifically their weapons layout (say 9x nightmare torpedo on a ship).

But it's not impossible, just really difficult if you let them live long enough to build huge hulled ships.

The reason it has 8 hp after the battle is because it leveled up, by the way.

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Quoting Galactic_Colossus, reply 2
Just lure it away and take the planet.
End of Galactic_Colossus's quote

 

Easier said than done. Sometimes, the Dread Lords put frigates and fighters in orbit. Like the rest of the AI, they keep a few ships in orbit. Unless you've got Doom Rays, Nightmare Torpedoes, and Black Hole Guns, along with the top armor, PD, and shields, you don't really have the firepower to take them on. It would cost several fleets to take on the defenses sometimes.