That's When He Spit on the Flag!

United We Stand...Divided, We Rake Leaves.

Early this morning at my family's home I began prepare for the service project I had vounteered for. It was the 2nd year that Suspeckted had convinced a few of his family and friends to participate in the city's Rake-A-Thon. The Rake-A-Thon is a day that is set aside every October for volunteers to go rake the yards of those who are unable to clear them by themselves due to their age, disability, etc.. My team this year consisted of myself, a kid that attends the program I work for who comes from a difficult family situation I try to help out from time to time, my father, brother, mother, a co-worker and her son.

I informed my father and brother on the way to the place where we were meeting my coworker to caravan to the yard that my coworker's brother had recently been deployed to Iraq, or maybe I should say "redeployed" since he has already served in Iraq in the first Gulf War, and that my coworker and her husband met while they were in the army positioned in Alaska. I shared this information with them to offer a little perspective into their lives in the context of our current election fiasco so as to avoid any emberassing/disrespectful discussion topics.

Currently only my father and brother live in my childhood home. My mother, currently in the process of being divorced from my father, has her own apartment, my little sister is in college, my older sister lives with her husband, and I share a 2BR apartment with a couple in Minneapolis. My father has always been historically conservative across the board from my impression, though I know that he occasionally reads my blog and I welcome him to refute this here on in private. My brother has been somewhat difficult to read as he comes of age in the political sphere as to where he stands on any particular issue. I know he has ctiticized my beliefs ascribing me the title of "hippie" among other less than flattering labels. But I generally figured he was doing this for little beyond the desire to be a annoying little brother at the ripe age of 15. As many of my political blog entries may lead people to believe, I am definitely on the other side of the spectrum from my father. However, my father remains to this day, my favorite conservative and I hope that I am his favorite liberal.

This is not the point however as I get back to the day's events...as we began to rake heavy leaves in the dreary drizzling rain the morale of my crew quickly declined. The kid who attends the program I work for gave up working after about 20 minutes of raking. Though I was very annoyed with this, it was my brother who took it upon himself to lecture a boy who is 5 years younger than him. I told my brother to help my coworker behind the garage who was raking leaves into the woods where my father and I proceeded to drag tarp after tarp full to dump them.

On one particular trip back from dumping a tarp full of leaves I noticed a small soiled American flag under a bunch of leaves. In my coworker's presence I reached down to pick it up out of respect for her service as well as for the service currently being undertaken by her brother in Iraq. As I reached down to pick it up my coworker told me "yeah, don't touch that, your brother just spit on it."

What the fuck is wrong with that kid? I really didn't know what to say, I was so emberassed of him. Shocked really is the appropriate word. Those who know me know that I'm the last one that's going to hang an American flag outside of my home, or even have a USA Pride bumper sticker. In fact it's probably fair to say that in respect to the shape America has been taking in reforming what an American is and represents, I am "anti-American." It's even possible that during a demonstration I might very well hold an American flag upside down or even stand idly by while others' burn them, though I have actually never seen this nor am I convinced I could directly engage in this behavior myself. But these behaviors have a time and place where they can show a large number of people my dissatisfaction with my country. These behaviors have no place where the only audience member is someone I care about who is taking up her Saturday morning to join with me in helping out someone in need. I know that my coworker has a pretty good idea how I feel about the war, and an even clearer idea on how I feel about GW which are in perfect contrast to her's. But I have never targeted her with my views because I know she is sensitive about them, especially as her brother's life is, as we speak, on the line.

My father made my brother apologize, which was pretty useless at that point. The damage had been done and I could tell she (as well as everyone else) was really upset with him. I think my first clue was when she said "I think I'm going to kick your brother's ass." I was more than prepared to hold him while she punched because my brother seems to be on a tirade of selfishness right now where he is unable to acknowledge others' feelings and emotionally charged views. Instead I asked my mom to take my brother and the kid from my program home so we could keep working away from my brother's ignorance. Unfortunately he seemed more than happy to leave, pointing out earlier that he was only there because my mom had forced him to help me out. Fortunately the rest of the day went pretty well in spite of it all.

Don't get me wrong, under the current administration there is barely a patriotic red blood cell left in my body. But there are many veins flowing through me that carry a lot of common decency and respect that help me avoid offending others with my views when there is nothing to be gained from it. Instead, actions like this, or harassment like this, simply anger all parties more driving us further apart making us more stubborn and all the more unlikely to meet each other half way.

Hope your Halloween festivities this weekend keep a smile on your jack-o-latern,

-Su(spook)ted



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Reply #1 Top
Wow, that is what I call a blog entry!! I think it is very sweet that you gave your family a little background on the way so they would avoid possible embarrassing/political conversations. It normally takes ALOT to offend me. I must admit that I wasn't so much offended by what your little bro did, more pissed off. Like you said in your blog, my own brother and tons of my friends are laying their lives on the line day in and day out for that flag. I really don't care if Americans are for or against the war as long as they don't forget our men and woman that are serving. You'll have to ask me about some of my random thoughts on this.

I can't think of another friend that I would rather rake leaves with. I look forward to raking leaves with you again next year
Reply #2 Top

.. "there are many veins flowing through me that carry a lot of common decency and respect that help me avoid offending others with my views when there is nothing to be gained from it".

i live by this rule. great stuff, alphonse .

mig XXX

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I'm learning to live by it slowly and surely. Hopefully my brother will follow my example. This is, of course, not to say that we shouldn't raise our voices and fists in protest to the injustices we see just to avoid offending those who may be misguided by what they've been fed, but we must not scare away those potential allies. We must realize that we are all in this together and those who disagree with me are not my enemies, they are simply misled by my enemies.

Thanks Mig
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On one particular trip back from dumping a tarp full of leaves I noticed a small soiled American flag under a bunch of leaves. In my coworker's presence I reached down to pick it up out of respect for her service as well as for the service currently being undertaken by her brother in Iraq. As I reached down to pick it up my coworker told me "yeah, don't touch that, your brother just spit on it."

What the fuck is wrong with that kid? I really didn't know what to say, I was so emberassed of him. Shocked really is the appropriate word. Those who know me know that I'm the last one that's going to hang an American flag outside of my home, or even have a USA Pride bumper sticker. In fact it's probably fair to say that in respect to the shape America has been taking in reforming what an American is and represents, I am "anti-American." It's even possible that during a demonstration I might very well hold an American flag upside down or even stand idly by while others' burn them, though I have actually never seen this nor am I convinced I could directly engage in this behavior myself. But these behaviors have a time and place where they can show a large number of people my dissatisfaction with my country. These behaviors have no place where the only audience member is someone I care about who is taking up her Saturday morning to join with me in helping out someone in need. I know that my coworker has a pretty good idea how I feel about the war, and an even clearer idea on how I feel about GW which are in perfect contrast to her's. But I have never targeted her with my views because I know she is sensitive about them, especially as her brother's life is, as we speak, on the line.



A very polite blog however you seem to be seriously at conflict with yourself.
You became upset when your brother spit on the flag, ok.
But then you went on to say that you would be among those who would actually BURN the flag? Even if you didn't directly engage in it, your presence there makes you an offender just the same.
Burning the flag is not a valid form of dissent, I would argue that even having it upside down is not valid either but never, ever, burning it. Thats what terrorist groups and anti american foreign groups do.
Burning it, spitting on it, or any other disrespectful actions on the flag of our country are completly unacceptable in my view. I am a soldier and was in Operation Iraq Freedom.
If I saw, or any other service member saw, AMERICANS burning the flag, in protest or not, would be completly devestating to our morale.
It dishonors all those who have and will die in the service of our country and to those who are and will serve our country.
I can understand you disagree with our current administration, so do I, and that you are not for the war in Iraq. Ok, dissent is ever american's right and duty, to make sure that the government cant just do things without the reaction of the people, unlike dictatorsips and the like.
But I feel that there is never the time nor the place to burn, spit, tread on, fly upside down ( a symbol of distress not dissent), tear, wear, stain and so on, of our flag or even any other flag or symbol.
You speak about respecting others and having "common decency and respect".
There is none it what you would support and none in what your brother, as you correctly stated, did.
Please take into account my situation and I hope your not offended, I like you, am a dissenter on some issues, this happens to be one.
thanks.
Reply #5 Top
You say that
Burning the flag is not a valid form of dissent
but yet you make my point for me by saying
Burning it, spitting on it, or any other disrespectful actions on the flag of our country are completly unacceptable


in my view.


that's your view, and you have every right to hold it, but desecrating the flag is a very effective way for demonstrators to voice their disgust with the actions of the government so why deny them that, or even displaying it upside down. Others have the right to display a large flag in bright lights celebrating their pride in the actions of their country

It dishonors all those who have and will die in the service of our country and to those who are and will serve our country.


And yet many veterans did these horrible things to the flag after returning from war in Vietnam. Displaying the flag in a negative light can be done on behalf of soldiers. I am sickened by how this administration has treated American soldiers and for that I am distraut with America. If I chose to display the flag upside down it would not be because I wanted to show the troops that I am against them, rather it would be because I wanted to show the nation that I am not pleased with the decisions my country has taken and the way the troops have been used to pursue what (in my view) is a questionable agenda. However it is because, as you have illustrated, that what I was trying to communicate could be misconstrued I have never burned a flag, nor do I display one upside down. Instead, I choose not to display the American flag at all.

Thank you for taking the time to read this and for responding Dysmas, your comments have greatly contributed to this discussion.

-Suspeckted
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Thank you very much, Im gald you (we), could keep this potentialy volitile subject under control. It shows that polite, respectful dissent is a reality and shame on those people who angrily or violently "put down" those who do not feel as they do.
Insightful indeed.