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God Loves a Good Mind Game

God Loves a Good Mind Game

this God is very local

     The Bible has some wonderful stuff in it but if you are looking for moral or ethical help I would suggest avoiding Genesis like the plague.

 

      The first recorded instance of setting someone up for ethical failure:

 

 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

 

     Also note the first instance of a deity telling an outright lie to man up there when he tells them that they will die from eating the fruit. Imagine their surprise when they ate it and didn’t die but rather figured out that they were naked (the horror!) :

 

she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

 

     Followed closely by over-the-top cruelty to Eve (keep in mind that God already lied about the penalty for eating the fruit and apparently has now decided that knowledge of good and evil is just not painful enough) :

 

16 To the woman he said,
       "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
       with pain you will give birth to children.
       Your desire will be for your husband,
       and he will rule over you."

 

    Why was God so pissed (and why did he lie about the tree) ? Well obviously it was because he didn’t want them to start eating from the trees that God and his peers (apparently he has peers in the garden) wanted to keep for their own:

 

     And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." (a good point to keep in mind is that this passage with it’s attendant implications is the progenitor of many aspects of modern would-be “hermeticists” - GW)

 


 

 

       God follows up his ethical misdirection here by randomly promoting sibling rivalry when Adam’s sons bring him part of the food they have worked so hard to make. Apparently God is a meatetarian:

 

3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor.

 

     At this point it is important to note that the God of Genesis is not an omniscient God in any manner and that there are apparently other men in Nod that God did not create:

 

Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

 

     Who will kill him then? God’s creations at this point number Adam, Eve, Cain, and the now dead Abel. The Noddites were apparently already there from some other God (perhaps one of God’s buddies who hang out with him in the Garden eating fruits of knowledge and life while knocking back some brewskies?).

 

     This brings us to one of the bigger conflicts in the “early” bible… Who is the Lamech’s family? Note that I don’t just mean there are two people ambiguously named Lamech here but rather that there are two lineages for the exact same Lamech. Was he of the house of Cain (the cursed) or of Adam. We are about 3 pages into the bible and it is a train wreck of consistency:

 

Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

 

     So Cain was the head of Lamech’s family? Wait for it:

(ok I am abbreviating here):

 

Adam’s line:

 

Adam – Seth- Enosh- Kenan – Mahalalel – Jared – Enoch – Methuselah – Lamech – Noah

 

    Since the narrative runs that Noah was a nice guy we can assume that Cain’s Lamech didn’t father him since that Lamech is a vengeful ass (then again God in this version is also a vengeful ass so maybe that just makes Lamech ibn Cain “godly”):

 

23 Lamech said to his wives,
       "Adah and Zillah, listen to me;
       wives of Lamech, hear my words.
       I have killed
[y] a man for wounding me,
       a young man for injuring me.

 

    I wonder if he ever killed a man for snoring?

 

    Keep in mind that at this point we are only up to Genesis 5! God needs a new proofreader. If I make it through these classes without an aneurism that really will be a miracle.

 

 

 

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Reply #51 Top

they are out and about committing violence around the world ....why?
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great question .... did you ever heard it being discussed in the media???? even here I (and very few others) have and no one ... no one is willing to accept the obvious.

what is that "obvious"?

First let me tell you what it is "NOT"

- It is not spreading islam as you and others claim... Islam doesnt need anyone to spread it ... it spreads itself ... by Qura'n and by it alone. have you ever heard of muslims invading india, pakistan?indonesia? ... they dont even speak Arabic ... you got my point ... even Turkey ....

- It is not that they "hate our way of life" ... what a joke that is being believed by sooooo many for sooo long. They "love" "our way of life" ... have you ever visit their countries and see how they imitate us in everything ... even baggy pants and happy meals .... except when it comes to religion ... they hold on it by their teath ... really .. they love our way of life and they ignore our bad behavior ... or try to restrict it at least.

-it is not even Israel ... pakistan, India, Indonesia ...even Iraq and to great extent "Saudia Arabia" never cared anyway ... only few countries like Egypt and Syria care about that (they care because Israel is next to them and impact them directly)

-It was never the myth that "they hate the Jews" ... they never did ... really Lula... even Egypt and Syria have problems with Israel not with the "Jews"... jews lived in those two countries for centuries with no problem whatsoever... till Israel took part of palastine

now to that "obvious" reason...

It is Our Policies and presence on their land supporting their dictators against their people.... and controlling their resources....

that is the reason Lula...

let me explain it more to you ..

remember when i said that they started their violence in their own lands? ... they did that trying to overthrow their dictators so they free themselves and get control of their resources to the benefit of their own people....

they failed in that ... you know why? ... because WE helped their dictator discover their activities and their contacts and their cells ..

they realized that they are not against their dictators only ... they are against us too ...

enters Ben-laden/Alzawahiri and Alqaeda who clearly said "the west with USA leadership are the main problem"...

that is when in 1995-1996 they Actually declared war ... itold you that already ...

now ... you know why? .... believe it or not ... that is why.

if we get out of there ... start being fair to them and to Israel ... the whole movement i.e terrorism ... will disappear in a flash ...

but we say "never surrender" as if it is our right to be there and control their land and their resources !!!!!

We kicked "England" from our land ... We even helped (and in the process trained) Ben-Laden/Alzawahiri to kick the USSR from Afghanistan ... remember that??? ... they are just using the lessons against us now ...

amazing ... isnt it lula ... this life has amazing twists and turns ...

or as you may agree with me ... it is all His paln ... and He is sometimes mysterious ... isnt He lula?

 

S

Reply #52 Top

Even if all these things were somehow brought to a halt or fixed, innocent people would still be attacked and killed.
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just like that? .. you are certain of this ?... no doubt in your mind? ... you are God who knows how people will behave in the future....?

just a reminder ... this terrorism was not there before ... for centuries ... but it is here now ...

do you know it got started Lula? ... i dont think you even have a clue.

since you dont read ,,,, i will tell you a little.

up to and untill 1967 ... they all (the Arabs mainly) believed that Nasser and Egypt will take care of all those dictators and occupiers ... and he succeded to a great extent .... by mid-1960's all foreign forces were out of all Arab countries except Saudia... even our largest base in the area (wheelis .. i think it was called) in Libya was evacuauted.

then came the 1967 war and Nasser/Egypt were neutralized ... the PLO started with Yasser Arafat ... and the rest is history.

There is a very small point that occured shortly after 1956 when UK/France/Israel attacked Egypt ... and for many reasons the US sided with Egypt and forced them out.

After the dust settled ... Nasser opposed the "Baghdad Pact" promoted by Eisenhower ... he honestly said to the USA ... dont do like what england and france did to us .. we take your revolution and system as a model .. help me get this area developed and we are your best defense against the USSR (and that was the purpose of the prorpposed pact)... he went on to say ... if you oppose me ... you will get the Islamists ..... it is your choice ...Me ... your friend or the Islamists ... and they have no friends ... he knew them .. he was with them till he discovered what they really want to do .. he left them and started his own movement. they even tried to kill him twice in 1954 and 1963

those Islamists ... are what we call terrorists now ...before Nasser/Egypt were neutralized they had no good reason for their methods (championed by the Muslim Brotherhood) .. after that they have all the cards to convince the extremists and the desperates...

again ... it is amazing that Nasser knew who the players were ...

we didnt believe him and ... we got what he said we will get.

and you still say ... they will continue even if those problems disppear ... i dont think so ... if the problem disappears ... they will disappear ... they are a symptom of the problem not a cause...

Reply #53 Top

So the present Iranian president is calling on Muslims to kill in the name of Allah...and you know what...no where do I hear Muslim voices condemn him or deny that killing innocent people (infidels) is part of the plan for world domination.
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they did ... you didnt and do not hear them ... of course ... you really expect our media to tell you that?

Nasser did ... and we helped get rid of him ... we even got rid od saddam who was holding that Madjad (hey .. i just coined a name for him here.... i retain the copy rights to it :D ) behind his borders .... now you know why many who knew the area opposed that war that YOU supported.....

sometimes you have to chose between a real enemy and an annoying neighbor ....

Egypt/Saudia hated saddam and Khumini all the same ... and they adviced your buddy W. of the disaster if we get rid of him .. Bush I, and Clinton both listened .... but W.???  NOOOO he was told by God that he is commanded to do it .... and here we are lula

.... here we are ... rehasing a history that you never knew ... but "they" ... the people you say never object or condemn ...

you know what ... after a while when someone is sooo arogant and doesnt listen ... people give up ...

their attitude now is this : ... you ssked for it .... now deal with it

we were the reason for their rise ... (nasser/egypt neutralization)

we trained them and showed them that they can defeat a superpower

we ignored the warnings from Mubark about the danger 

and made it worse by invading one more country that had no hand in 9/11

All of them condemned the 9/11 attacks ... with no exception even Iran ... helped us in afghanistan ....

then what did we do after that?   invade another country there...

Amazing.... Truly amazing ... stupidity that is !!!!!!

you know what Lula .. this is my last comment on this subject ... it is no use with you and the people who think along the same theme ...

didnt i tell you .... sometimes you just give up ....