ya, so much for the "self importance" mantra we keep getting fed. He must be very important.

It's not so much we are against woman's rights per se. It's that we are opposed to taking the head of the family position from the men. I think women should vote and be able to have jobs etc. I don't agree with women as heads of churches such as in a Rabbi position or Pastor or Priest position. It's very clear, set up in scripture that God had diff roles for the sexes. He even predicted right in the garden that woman's desire would be to usurp the husband's role and that was not a good thing. God's desire is that men would be spiritual heads of their families and you can see this quite clearly in the writings of the Torah and Prophets not to mention all thru the NT.

Paul didn't have any issues with woman. Quite often he cited them as helping his cause in many of his letters. I'll check your link after but this accusation of Paul really is unfounded. It's for lack of understanding only that these accusations are made.

ok, maybe I can help you get over this faulty understanding of Paul? I checked out your link and read the sciptures and am familiar with them. Paul wrote to the
Galatians this which I got from your link:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


So what is wrong with this? How does this show he had issues? Paul wrote this because the Jewish men were not treating their wives equally but worse than servants. During the time of Jesus women were not highly regarded and he elevated them as equals to man. While we are equal and are created equal we are not given equal roles. God has diff roles for men than he does have for women.

Nothing in itself.  However, women are not equal according to Paul.  Women are subservient and should keep quiet. 

Colossians 3

18: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19: Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them. 20: Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. 21: Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

Ephesians 5

21: Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. 22: Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 23: For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24: As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.

and

1 Timothy 2

8: I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9: also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire 10: but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. 11: Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12: I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

 

Hardly a world where a woman can grown into her own.

 

Be well.

 

 

Agreed.  Yet, this is a serious problem. Its easy to say women and men are equal but have different roles, but how is this operationalized?  Only until recently were women allowed to work at jobs outside of the home, obtain educations, and have professional lives. Each of these steps were  opposed by many Christian churches and leaders. When your role is pretty much limited to husband helpmate and mother you're pretty much screwed and certainly not equal. Moreover, you are not to complain about it.

Jews were not immune to this stereotyping of women's roles either, especially under orthodox roofs.  However, women were and are glorified within Judaism and the role of women has steadfastly been changing over the centuries to the point that it has eclipsed the Christian side of the religious table. You haven't seen power until you've attended a Sisterhood meeting at a synagogue. Oy.

See ya.

Behold the power of kvetching?

 

Interesting Leauki,  Buddhists do not really have an eschatological world view either, much more inclined to infinite process, I suspect.  Judaism has never been a "end times" religion much either.  Eschatology never seemed to gain much traction. We were talking about this this morning at the Breakfast club spinning off a talk about the book of Judges.  Christianity, we surmised, got its end times influence as much from the Greeks as it did the Hebrews, spinning the words with a new variance of meaning.

 

See ya.

 

 

AD, Our Sisterhood never tires of telling us they bring in 25% of the Temple's Annual Budget.  for this, they get 75% control...or to hear them tell it, they do.

 

The fundamental difference that I see between 'common' Christian theology and Judaism is this.

Christians believe in rapture up to heaven.
Judaism teaches Messiah coming back to reign on earth for 1,000 years (new eden).

Or so my understanding is.

Oh but I did expect you to question it. The whole point of that which I stated was the truth was designed to make you question. Not of me (hence the words "don't take my word for it"), but of THE I AM that dwells inside of all men. I didn't tell you that you personally were wrong but that the way that the truth was interpretted by mankind was wrong. You simply took it personally, I will tell you that taking it personally is not your fault, and was not done with your true knowledge.

Why tell you to find out for yourself, and not take my word for it? Because then it wouldn't be knowledge posessed on your part, but once again simply belief. That and the fact that none of us truly know anthing at all until we have experienced it for ourselves. Just as a child doesn't really know that the stove is hot, until the child touches it and finds out. The knowledge that to kill is wrong is my own (not a belief) because I went to the source itself and asked, and the source is not the bible nor any book, nor the word of any man. It is THE I AM.

The point that I have been trying to make all this time if you'd read all my posts was that no one religion posesses the truth. That gems of the truth can be and is found in all religions. That was the point of Gilgamesh. The story is Babylonian in origin, and they were not of the hebrew faith, nor were they monotheistic. All nations of people have a flood story, and a creation story that closely parralel each other.

I have no problem with being told that I am wrong. I am just like the mailman who delivers your mail, not interested in your opinions of me. I am simply doing my job because I am asked to do it. If I do it correctly, maybe just maybe, THE I AM in his mercy will grant me a new life, even though I am dust and therefore a sinner.

what's that mean?



only some Christians believe in the rapture. I do, but a bit differently now than I once did after some serious study on the issue. I also believe in the 1000 year reign and as far as I know all mainstream evangelicals believe in this same millennium. Afterall it is mentioned in Rev 20 as a future reign on earth with Christ.



I can easily answer these but after dinner.....I'm waiting for the sauce to simmer than we're eating. Too much to go into right now.

I never said that the original source was known only to me. I specifically stated that it could be known by anyone who was willing to make the effort. Your statement smacks of jealousy, and the idea that you can't know the original source.

Why do you worry about taking the head of the family away from men or not being religious leaders? Are you not just as capable? Does god love you less, or is it maybe you aren't perhaps as capable of understanding God as well as a man? Jesus didn't feel that way, why do you?

Paul of Tarsus had real issues with women. He was jealous, plain and simple, and scared of his power being taken from him by them. But there are also testimonies written by Mary that also indicate that the male apostles also felt the same way. They are not included in the "accepted texts" that were coincidentally decided on by none other than men.

Yes, all was not white clouds and syrup amongst the disciples. I understand from reading this gospel fragment that Peter had issues with Mary...goodness.

 

And rightly so. That's because the "end times" began with the first advent of Christ. We are living in "the last days" otherwise known as the millenium.

AD,



Catholics don't believe in the rapture at least as KFC has laid out. It's a theory, a fanciful interpretation of Scripture that began in the 1800's I think. Rather than being anxious and trying to predict about "the signs of our times", we take the advice of Christ who said, "Watch, therefore...Be ready."

When Christ comes back, it will be for the final judgment after the end of the world. We all go to our eternal destination.....Heaven or Hell.

 

Yiddish.  It means a sort of complaining.

I hope your sauce turned out well.

See ya.

so no 1,000 year reign on earth?

The basis for the development of the JAP.  (Jewish American Princess)

See ya.

Complaining with an agenda.

ie, is this how you treat your mother who carried you for 9 months and was in labor for 16 hrs?

By the way what I am speaking of when I said doing it correctly, was putting my own self importance aside. I want to make that perectly clear.

This round of earth will end, period, and when I say this round of earth it doesn't mean that the earth itself will no longer exist, it will, but not as the earth that we currently know and live on. There will not be a rapture simply as a reward for belief. Many will die, millions of us. Will there be survivors, I don't really know, but I suspect there will be. And those that do die, will eventually be reincarnated to continue on with their journey with the same lessons to learn from karma that we are learning now. Only they won't have the time or inclination to dwell on themselves like we do now, they will be too busy trying to survive.

It's not only the christians, not all of them of course, that do realize this. The Mayan also knew, and they gave a specific date for this event. It's not that far off, according to their calendar. Are they correct? I don't know, but I suspect that they are. The earth has been destroyed in this fashion before, and it will happen again even after this coming destruction. The sumerians spoke of a rogue planet they called Marduk, that enters this solar system every so many millions of years. Velekovsky (I['m not sure of the spelling of the name) noted that Uranus was flipped over on it's axis, and that it could only have been done by something quite massive hitting it. He also stated that there must have been debris as a result of this collision that caused a large enough asteroid to bring about the end of the age of dinosaurs. Science at the time laughed at his theories, but now they are beginning to change their minds somewhat.

No,

Apocalypse 2012

 

As Christ is head of the church, the husband should be head of his family. I think you forget who washed who's feet. I think you forget who died, and who lived. Christ washed their feet, Christ died for them(and us). That's how men are supposed to live as the head, not lording it over their wives like you would have 'leader' mean. The natural response to a leading husband is to submit to that leadership.

 

Hi J,  These were Paul's words, not mine.

An interesting link that you provided stubby. I enjoyed reading it. However that is not all that will happen. The earth will cross the center of the milky way galaxy. An event that doesn't takes place only once in several (five, I believe more or less)hundred million years. The center of the galaxy is called the dark rift. It is most peculiar. It is darkest spot in the galaxy, with a strange lack of stars not seen elsewhere. Some scientists theorize that the poles and the equator may possibly shift from their normal places. If that is so, things will change drastically and dramatically, possibly over night. This event according to their calculations will take place in December 2012. The mayans predicted the end of this round of the earth as being December 21, 2012. Their calendar is extremely accurate, far more so than the calendar that we use today. The mayan were seemingly obsessed with astronomy and the cycles of the heavenly bodies. They predicted eclipses as well as the passing of comets far in advance, even past the time of their own civilization. There are only two surviving codices of the Mayan left. Unfortunately the christian priests that accompanied the spanish into the interior of the mayan burned them all except the surviving two, claiming them heretical and the work of satan. It makes one wonder what was contained in those that were burned.

I did watch a program on PBS's Nova series in the 1970's about a tiny life form in the ocean that always swims dead north. Scientists had noted a change in the direction they were swimming in, in that they were not swimming in the direction that they previously had been swimming in. Even then scientists were wondering about a pole shift because of this tiny animals change in direction. The increasingly number of earthquakes that have taken place in the last few years could be an indication of that pole shift. Japan just had another quake this past saturday off their coast. Time, of course will tell, whether or not these are indications of a pole shift.