Gay Debate

So fanatics annoy me. I have come to the conclusion that if you don't at least allow the possibility that your opinion could possibly be wrong, your a dumbass.

Recently I had the opporitunity to meet a dumbass of ginormous perportions.

I'm sitting down eatting lunch and I happen to be sitting down next to the YCT, the Young Conservatives of Texas. These guys just happen to be discussing current events, and just happened to be talking about gay marriages. I guess they thought that I was one of them and someone turned to me and asked me what I thought.

Well they weren't really very happy when I said that I really had no problems with gay marriages. The conversation went something like this:

evilPidge: So why do you object to gay marriages?

Dumbass: It's unnatural. It's not the way things are supposed to be!

eP: Well, how are they supposed to be?

DA: A man, and a woman. Thats the way its supposed to be!

eP: And why is it supposed to be like that?

DA: Because it doesnt work any other way? Two gays can't have kids?

eP: So the purpose of marriage is procreation? If thats the case, I may be in trouble because my wife and I have been married 5 years and we dont have any kids yet.

DA: Well its ok for you because you are still able to have kids if you want. For you its a choice, for the gays its not.

eP: Ok, I think I understand your thought process, so what your saying is that if you in a "relationship" with a partner of the same sex, that obviously cannot produce offspring, it shouldn't be considered a marriage.

DA: EXACTLY!

eP: So what about a married couple, a man and a women, where one or both of them are strile for for some reason or another. They shouldn't have their marriage recognized right?

DA: er...

At this point in time the dumbass grew rather beligerant and started calling me a liberal commie fag lover.

Now I'm not writing this because I think that person was a dumbass because they were against gay marriages, or because they were unable to, on the fly, come up with an arguement and continue to debate me. My disgust with this whole thing was the fact that when this guy realized that I had answered all of his arguements and proposed that a there were circumstances where it could be applied to a man and a women. He didn't even pause to perhaps considered that I may be right, or that my point of view may have even a shred of truth in it. He dug in his heels and called me a fag lover.

I love openmindedness.
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This sounds so made up..." liberal commie fag lover"? Give me a break. What most liberals dont understand is that Conservatives dont hate homosexuals.
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Hmmmm... I got confused during the dialog... I was thinking maybe you were talking to yourself... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry, just had to...

Good post, though. I too am confused by people that hold to their guns and start name calling when they can't think of anything else to say. I just want to say sometimes - It's OK if you can't convince me of your opinion. You can still have it. And it's OK to disagree with me. Just because I can argue better (or worse) doesn't MAKE me or you right. We can both still think (know) that we are right. Let it go.... You know?

BTW, did you get in touch with Stan? I haven't gotten any return emails yet, but I have two guys over there who have promised to pass yours on. Let me know if I need to kick some virtual ass.
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You rock.

I'm writing you in for president.
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liberal commie fag lover


that may not have been a direct quote, but it was the gist of what was said, as you'll notice, i said that the conversation went "something like this"

What most liberals dont understand is that Conservatives dont hate homosexuals.


I agree, seeing as i'm a registered Republican.
Reply #5 Top
Great article!
Reply #6 Top
Good one Pidge!
AMAzing that you chose to sit next to the only conservatives at UT.
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"liberal commie fag lover"

Huh, he must know you pretty well!

Just kidding, I know exactly where you are coming from.... now imagine the same situation with alcohol instead of food and you will understand a little of the hell I go through each evening.

-Ho
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I got confused during the dialog... I was thinking maybe you were talking to yourself...


I JUST got this one.

But this would be one of the FEW times where I was not the biggest dumbass within earshot.
Reply #9 Top
Sounds made up, eh? I've seen versions of this conversation played out in chat rooms and in "polite" dinner conversations many times. My wife and I are unable to have children, so the response of "Oh, so my marriage shouldn't be recognized then?" is my standard answer to this "gays can't reproduce" argument.

But then again, I would expect someone as far right as Zombie to think anything that disagrees with his views is a lie.
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Good article. It points out very well the tendency toward name calling substituted for actual thought and discussion. Being from Texas, I've heard GWB being called stupid, moron, etc. for over eight years now.

Whether it is wingnuts on the left calling Bush a moron or wingnuts on the right calling someone a 'liberal commie fag lover', it's still an intellectually bankrupt attempt to diminish someone's opinion or value by portraying the person in a negative way.
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I JUST got this one.

But this would be one of the FEW times where I was not the biggest dumbass within earshot.


Glad you got a laugh out of that. I got one myself.

Sounds made up, eh?


Yeah, I got confused by the first comment, too... Although there are many arguments that people will use to attack the idea of gay marriage, this is one that is so often relied on and so easily defeated. I'd add in this... Am I required to get a divorce or annulment if I get a vasectomy? Or just go to confession? And let's go a step further... I get the annulment and then find out that I the operation was botched after knocking up a new girlfriend... So now, not only have I committed adultery by having sex out of wedlock (which I wouldn't be allowed to enter into since I thought I wasn't able to procreate), but I may have also cheated on my wife since the annulment would be annulled because I was in fact still fertile... You can keep going on like this but it still leads you back to the fact that this is a weak argument at best...
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Am I required to get a divorce or annulment if I get a vasectomy?


Nah, you'd just have to change your marraige to a civil union.
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your marraige to a civil union.

I prefer Unholy Union myself. More graphicaly pleasing...

This sounds so made up

Are you retarded? Wait, I just figured out the answer to that on my own.... Have a trolling, assclown.

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Are you retarded? Wait, I just figured out the answer to that on my own.... Have a trolling, assclown.


Aaaaaaand... he's back. greywar, ladies and gentlemen.
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Excellent blog mate.