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Why Bush will still lose

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Why Bush will still lose

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We have all seen the most recent polling data: And the election goes to Bush. But wait.. not so fast. We still have the military... and I'd wager to say there are at least a few military men who are upset with the way that the war is going, and/or are upset with the fact that they are being kept past their original duty time. Then theres the ever changing young vote... not included in those polls. The younger people are more mobilized than ever for this election, to boot W out of office. Bigger than all of this, is oil. Oil prices are nearing their peaks again, and I think we are ready to see a steady increase as winter heating oil starts to be used. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that oil prices may top $50 before the election. And guess who gets blamed for that? Bush. Of course.. Bush may still convieniently find Osama just in time to snag the election.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Shozan, thanks, but what was that supposed to show?
Reply #27 from PolMach Forums Top
Shozan, thanks, but what was that supposed to show?


Only a small portion of oil comes from the middle east.
Siege of Centauri
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am aware of that. But if we didn't need middle eastern oil to keep our prices down then we could say screw you saudi arabia, good bye Iraq and pull out of the middle east entirley.
Reply #29 from PolMach Forums Top

Reply #28 By: Citizen sandy2 - 9/21/2004 4:26:48 PM
I am aware of that. But if we didn't need middle eastern oil to keep our prices down then we could say screw you saudi arabia, good bye Iraq and pull out of the middle east entirley.


We don't. Prices are not low. And we can. But there is a lot more to it than Oil. Blood for Oil is a simplistic idea put forth by simple minded people to sway simpletons.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Prices are very low. If we lost our 12 percent from the middle east prices would almost double for at least a time.
Reply #31 from PolMach Forums Top
prove it. . . Note also - if all of Kerry's votes for taxes on gas had passed prices would already be doubled. But even then they would still be about 50% less than what the British pay per gallon. And then it would finally approach what you pay for bottled water.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #30 By: sandy2 - 9/21/2004 4:53:41 PM
Prices are very low.


Not so my good man. I don't call $47 a barrel and rising "low"! Here's the link:

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Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ok well obviously I can't prove that the price of oil would double without middle eastern oil, but simple economics tell you that a decrease in supply equals an increase in price. The point isn't whether we depend on the middle east or not, or whether they keep the price of oil low or not. The point is that the only reason we have such a military force in the middle east and the persian gulf is because of their oil, and removing our military from there should be key to our defense strategy.
Reply #34 from PolMach Forums Top
The entire premise is wrong here.

Want to speculate on why we have military in Germany, or, Columbia, or Serbia, or Japan, or S. Korea, or the Philipines, or Guam, or Haiti, or heck... a bunch of places. Oil is a red herring. Do you realize that the US ships more petrol to Iraq than comes out of it right now?

Neither do we "take" oil from them. It belongs to Iraq. They sell it on an open market. We buy some of it. A tiny drop actually when compared to what we get from Saudi Arabia or even from our own domestic supply, or from the Russians.

Get some facts going for you instead of believing everything a radical wants to shove down your throat.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Why Bush will stil lose.........."


I sure hope so
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #35 By: dabe - 10/2/2004 5:10:48 PM
"Why Bush will stil lose.........."


I sure hope so


Don't get your hopes up!
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thats what drmiller would like you to believe.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

Last week in Las Vegas Kerry spoke to the National Guard. When he arrived he got a golf clap. During a normal speech there are breaks in between comments so the crowd could clap. After the first two breaks (that received cricket sounds), he rushed threw the rest of the speech without stopping. Kerry may not hate the military, but the military does not like him.

When Bush addressed the same conference two days earlier he got a standing ovation.


Lee,


I have to think this has a lot to do with the military brass at the table onstage behind the candidates. I have seen an unprecedented (in my lifetime) dislike of the Republican candidate among the military personnel I have known personally. The fact is, the majority of Bush votes from the military will really be anti-Kerry; yet another casualty of the lack of choice that pervades our electoral system.

Reply #39 from PolMach Forums Top
The fact is, the majority of Bush votes from the military will really be anti-Kerry; yet another casualty of the lack of choice that pervades our electoral system.


I agree fully with you on this point.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #37 By: sandy2 - 10/3/2004 11:13:58 AM
Thats what drmiller would like you to believe.


Right, and the one I responded to (dabe) is what *he'd* like us to believe.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think that Kerry will win by such a landslide that people who plan to vote for Kerry need not even bother voting that day, since he'll still win.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
Messy, are you trying to get Bush to win?
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
Since Kerry's going to win by such a landslide, a couple hundred Kerry voters not voting won't damage him.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #42 By: sandy2 - 10/3/2004 12:19:24 PM
Messy, are you trying to get Bush to win?


And *if* she is does that make her a *bad person*?
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
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Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why Bush will still lose

By: sandy2
Posted: Monday, September 20, 2004 on Rants and Raves
Message Board: Politics
We have all seen the most recent polling data: And the election goes to Bush. But wait.. not so fast. We still have the military... and I'd wager to say there are at least a few military men who are upset with the way that the war is going, and/or are upset with the fact that they are being kept past their original duty time. Then theres the ever changing young vote... not included in those polls. The younger people are more mobilized than ever for this election, to boot W out of office. Bigger than all of this, is oil. Oil prices are nearing their peaks again, and I think we are ready to see a steady increase as winter heating oil starts to be used. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that oil prices may top $50 before the election. And guess who gets blamed for that? Bush. Of course.. Bush may still convieniently find Osama just in time to snag the election.


You might want to check this out. This poll is updated daily and is comprised of state by state polls not the national ones. And before you ask yes Ralph Nader is considered in these polls.

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