Gays and Marriage

Despite all the hullabaloo, despite state constitutional amendments in Virginia and Louisiana with more to follow (potentially) in 11 other states, despite the moral outrage about the sanctity of marriage as a (by definition) heterosexual institution, despite protests and wedge issues, despite all of that…gays have played and continue to play fundamental functions in marriage. Straight marriage.

Gay people coordinate the most fabulous weddings and receptions. Gay people design the trendiest wedding cakes and bridal gowns. Gay folks do floral arrangements. In Cherokee traditions, gays serve as marriage counselors based on the logic that their queer identity gifts them with the perspective of both partners in a marriage. There are also more gays helping with weddings than these stereotypes suggest. Gays sit in the audience and throw rice with the rest of the relatives. Gays help fill out the mortgage papers for the family’s new house. Gays rubberstamp the marriage license. Gays hold each other’s hands, pass tissues during the vows, and imagine a similar day when their friends and families might do the same for their relationship.

Yep. Long before gay folks thought maybe their relationships could be recognized as meaningful in the eyes of the State, they were busy finding ways to make their straight friends and clients have the best weddings possible. Good sports, those gays. So troubling when they get uppity and start asking for something more than a servile position. Why can’t they just be happy to be second class citizens? You know, separate but…oh who really cares about “equal,” anyway?

In our country’s history, we’ve treated homosexuality as a sin, as a crime, and as a disease. All three of these have fallen by the wayside, at least officially. Given our country’s stance on religious freedom, it is hard to unanimously pin “sin” to homosexuality. The APA stopped listing homosexuality as a mental disease in the early 70s. And the Supreme Court struck down sodomy laws (the last legal sanction against homosexuality) in the last decade. In that case, the lawyers supporting the anti-sodomy laws warned (threatened?) the Court that if they did not uphold Texas’ sodomy laws, then they were paving the road toward gay marriage. And, despite all the scare tactics and hysteria, they were right.

The conundrum we find ourselves in is this: up until homosexuality was decriminalized there was no need to define marriage as between a man and a woman. It was, by default, heterosexual because homosexuality was illegal. But once homosexuality is decriminalized, there is no legal way to “defend marriage” as only straight unless you more explicitly make marriage between a man and a woman. And some states have done just that. And some states have gone further (Virginia and Louisiana, for example), making supposedly separate but equal domestic partnerships illegal and placing limits on the kinds of next-of-kin contracts and policies available to, well, everyone.

What we have, then, is no less than a re-criminalization of homosexuality. Make no mistake; that’s what this is! Marriage needs more defense from reality TV shows and speedy internet divorces than it does from gays and lesbians getting married. The amendments pushed through state referendums and promised on a federal level by the GOP platform will do nothing to protect marriage. But they will, once again, criminalize homosexuality – albeit in a more insidious way. I realize that national polls indicate that the majority of Americans are not in favor of gay marriage. But I wonder if over half of the country is in favor of criminalizing same sex relationships?

One mistake we make is thinking that this debate is about religious practice. See, as a gay man, I can get married right now. There are plenty of churches in the area (certainly nothing like all of them, but I still have options) who will play host to such a marriage. There are spiritual leaders (many of a Christian persuasion) who will gladly conduct the service. Yeah, I know, there are plenty of folks who don’t think that counts. But hey, I think seeking absolution through a cookie and a thimble of wine is kinda strange. To each their own, I guess. My point is that thanks to the religious freedoms protected by the Constitution, I can have my gay marriage in a church and with a community of friends and fellow believers. If you don’t want me to get married in your church, that’s fine by me.

Some say marriage is about procreation. Their reasoning goes that since people of the same sex cannot procreate naturally, marriage is not for them. But these same folks mobilize no argument against infertile or elderly straight couples getting married. These same folks don’t propose a marriage review a few years after the ceremony to see if the happy couple is producing babies yet. Why is that? BECAUSE THIS A STUPID AND OPPORTUNISTIC ARGUMENT. This is not what the debate is about.

Nope. Gay marriage is about what marriage has always been about. Property. Family relations. Matters of legal contract. Insurance and healthcare. All those things that, despite a variety of religious beliefs and practices, the state acknowledges and protects in a more or less regular way. It’s about honoring commitment and extending the same material benefits to same sex couples who seek to share their lives together. To borrow a line from our current President, “…it’s about helping American’s live their lives, not about telling them how to live their lives.” If only he’d been talking about gay marriage when he said this; if only he could see the hypocrisy of this economic policy in the shadow of his stance on gay marriage.

More fundamentally, what gay marriage is really about is visibility. See, even the most homophobic straight people accept homosexuals. They’ll let them cut their hair or prune their shrubs. They’ll let them produce TV shows or take family photographs. They’ll buy their paintings or read their novels. They’ll encourage their architectural or weapons designs, their code-breaking skills. They’ll welcome them onto the assembly line or let them freshen up the produce. They’ll even tolerate a little swishiness; that’s always good for a little gossip. But what they won’t tolerate is open visibility. What they won’t tolerate is any indication that the culture accepts homosexuality as one among many viable ways of being in the world.

So I ask you, Straight America: When called upon to vote on this issue, how will you vote? Will you support the rights of caring, moral people to have their relationships acknowledged by the State even when those are a kind of relationship you would never enter into yourself (much like how I, as a gay man, support your right to marry)? Or will you deny these people who touch your lives everyday the right to equal acknowledgement and visibility under the law just so you can maintain some ultimately hypocritical sense of moral superiority? Because if your are going to vote for the latter, you might as well propose concentration camps and mandatory re-education facilities for homosexuals and just be honest about it. And then think how boring your weddings will be.
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Bungy32: This a brilliant article.

I cannot for the life of me understand how gay marriage threatens or otherwise harms my marriage. What I do understand, though, is that we have same sex couples who have devoted their lives to each other the same way we heterosexuals do and yet they are denied the legal protections and marriage benefits (health insurance, tax benefits, and so much more) that we have. To me this is nothing less than discrimination.

I am a Christian (though not a very good one) and I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. When the Bible says that a man should not lay with another man, I believe that. However, the Bible also says not to gossip and not to be lazy. The Bible says many things. So long as I am imperfect (which is going to be the case my entire life) the best thing I can do is worry about myself. I feel no need to pass judgment on your life choices; I wouldn't like to have that done to me. I have enough problems of my own without worrying about whether people I don't even know are "sinning" or not.

Further, I believe in separation of church and state. Government sanctioned marriage is what gives the certificate and the legal protections. A religious marriage ceremony is just that . . . a ceremony. Gay marriage is not a religious quandry. The government should afford the same rights to gay couples as they do to heterosexual couples. It is a dangerous thing to begin legislating morality.

I have rambled here, so please forgive me. Terrific article.
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Hooray for you , Bungy. Now you'll get bashed - but don't give up. I've struggled with visibility for years. Always on the verge of being famous,
I asked myself the question : What do I do when thay ask "THE QUESTION?"

They always bring it up " "Are you Gay?" If you say yes, your career and your life as you know it is over. Then, everyone says you are "flaunting it ", just for being honest.

If you say "no" , and lie , they try to find out who you're dating. If you say " I don't want to talk about it " ( Like Ricky Martin did ) to them , it's saying "yes".

So, all this boils down to : I would have to live in fear that the one I love - the most precious person I have ever known , will be killed by some Right wing wacko who feels it's their right to kill those who are "out".
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More fundamentally, what gay marriage is really about is visibility. See, even the most homophobic straight people accept homosexuals. They’ll let them cut their hair or prune their shrubs. They’ll let them produce TV shows or take family photographs. They’ll buy their paintings or read their novels. They’ll encourage their architectural or weapons designs, their code-breaking skills. They’ll welcome them onto the assembly line or let them freshen up the produce. They’ll even tolerate a little swishiness; that’s always good for a little gossip. But what they won’t tolerate is open visibility. What they won’t tolerate is any indication that the culture accepts homosexuality as one among many viable ways of being in the world.


And they know it too... Great article! Imagine a world without us.. my favourtie quote is.. "the life of a stright man is very dull and boring"..
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In our country’s history, we’ve treated homosexuality as a sin, as a crime, and as a disease. All three of these have fallen by the wayside, at least officially


Progress is slow, but it is there.....


Wonderful article!

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Thanks for the feedback, folks. I realized I hadn't copied the final paragraph into my original post. Oops. Good thing JU let's you make these little corrections. Anyway, hopefully the above article now concludes and doesn't just, well, quit.

Texas Wahine:

What do you suppose makes a "good" Christian? Is it knowing the Bible forward and back? Is it going to church every Sunday? See, I tend to think that Christians who use the Bible to judge others are not "good" Christians...especially when they do so selectively. I can quote Leviticus warning against the abomination of homosexuality, but I better not do so while I am enjoying a lobster dinner (or shrimp or any other shellfish). I can remind you that Romans warns about the evils of man sleeping with man as with woman, but then I better also remember that Romans says this is God's judgement to make, not mine. See, Tex, I've read several of your blog articles and I know that you are a caring and compassionate person. In as much as Christianity informs that sensibility, I think it is evidence that you ARE a "good Christian." IMHO

liveletlive:

I am fortunate enough to be totally out where I work. But I recognize that that is an incredible privilege and that many gay identified folks have to be more circumspect. I guess I'd have more faith in a "don't ask, don't tell" mentality (militarily or otherwise) if the inquisitors weren't so curious and insistent on finding out. And yeah, you are right. All too often, those on the (far?) Right are moved by their evangelical leaders and political demagogues to believe that violence against homosexuals is justified and appropriate.

phoenixboi:

Oh now, str8 men have interesting lives too. I worry that lording it over the supposed lack of style or interestingness in popularized straight male identity is just joining in a war of stereotypes. At the same time, I sympathize with the desire to do so. After all, in this culture we fire those pot shots back from a decidely disadvantaged position. Plus, well, I am one of the most style-challenged gay men on the planet. If I could stomach their pissiness, I would probably benefit from a Queer Eye make-over. Not that I am stereotyping my people...

dharmagrl

Absolutely. Things are better today than they were just 20 years ago. But then, gays in the 1920's could say that as well. And gays in the 1940s and 50s couldn't. My point is, progress while usually slow, is not assured. And the history of gay scapegoating is repleat with backlashes against such progress. Scary, huh?

Thanks for the feedback folks.
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And the history of gay scapegoating is repleat with backlashes against such progress. Scary, huh?


Yes it is, and there will always be those who will resist.  It sickens me, it really does, that people are still regarding homosexuality as "bad".  You should see some of the posts and articles written here by supposedly informed people...teenagers, the future of the world, still insisting that being gay is wrong because "my pastor said so".


Anyway, I'm rambling so I'll shut up now.....

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Plus, well, I am one of the most style-challenged gay men on the planet. If I could stomach their pissiness, I would probably benefit from a Queer Eye make-over. Not that I am stereotyping my people...


Style and beauty is on the inside too! I cant stand the queer eye guys... they really turn my stomach, and Im afraid do stereotype the gay male. We arent all like that.
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Excellent article Bungy32! I would like to address a few of your statements.

"I realize that national polls indicate that the majority of Americans are not in favor of gay marriage. But I wonder if over half of the country is in favor of criminalizing same sex relationships?"

While it is interesting to wonder about this, I think "popular opinion" on the subject should be irrelevant when the Courts are determining whether same-sex marriage should be legal. The Court has consistently ruled that decisions regarding marriage: inter-racial marriage (Loving v. Virginia), reproduction (Roe v. Wade, et. al), and the use of contraceptive devices, are fundamental rights and beyond the whims of public opinion. Since the Court has ruled that marriage, and issues intricately involved with it are fundamental rights, the right of gays to marry is also a fundamental right. I would also add here that it is an "equal protection" issue despite the absence of their "suspect class" status. Since the Court's ruling in "Lawrence v. Texas" stated that the government needs more than pure "morality" concerns for wanting to criminalize homosexual sex, I think the government would be hard pressed to argue that gays can't marry based simply on "moral" considerations. I also don't think they would be able to adequately argue that gay marriage threatens the institution or society in any real, tangible way. The state's argument against same-sex marriage, lacking any real, tangible argument that it will destroy all of civil society, would boil down to is this: "It is immoral for the state to sanction gay marriage," which should fail based on the Court's own opinion in "Lawrence."

Texas Wahine: "When the Bible says that a man should not lay with another man, I believe that. However, the Bible also says not to gossip and not to be lazy. The Bible says many things."

Yeap, the Bible indeed says many things. What I find interesting is that homosexuality is not mentioned ANYWHERE in the New Testiment. Jesus was completely silent on the issue. That being said, the Bible also says not to work on the sabbath (Sunday for Christians, Saturdays for Jews) yet I don't see any big rush out there to criminalize working on Saturdays or Sundays nor do I see any public outcry to amend the Constitution to ban working on the Sabbath. The Bible also says not to covet your neighbor's wife...hmmmm...I know for a FACT there is a lot of THAT going on out there. hehehehe...Why not amend the Constitution to ban coveting your neighbor's wife? Although I think they would have a real problem enforcing that one without the accused being forced into the conundrum of either having to bear "false witness" or "confess" which would violate his/her 5th Amendment rights. I think it's absolutely amazing when you really look at the church's and the religous-right's selective use of the Bible as a means of justifying their position on gay marriage. It also makes you wonder what is really behind their selectively targeting gays. But I am glad that you are not one of those people. It's a breath of fresh air!
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Yeap, the Bible indeed says many things. What I find interesting is that homosexuality is not mentioned ANYWHERE in the New Testiment. Jesus was completely silent on the issue.


Careful. While Jesus never mentions homosexuality directly, it is brought up in the New Testiment in Paul's letters to the Romans (Romans 1:27-32):

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


Pretty strong words. All the stronger when some zealot throws these words at you. But like all selective readings, the zealots miss the importance of the subseqent chapter (Romans 2:1):

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.


The message of Romans, then, is "judge not lest ye be judged" and leave such judgement to God. Worse than that, judging others for their sins makes you just as sinful. Of course, it is also important to note that Paul is responding to the pagan culture and repressive politics of the Roman Empire more than the specific "sin" of homosexuality. However, folks don't generally like to draw attention to the actual contexts in which the Gospels were written, preferring instead to assume they are God's words applicable to all situations.

Thanks T-Bone. I will definitely continue to comment on your blog. And yes, I agree with you that gay (and other minority) issues should not be determined by popular opinion. My point, though, was that the way the question is framed might well have an influence on the polling data that others like to flaunt on this issue. I take some comfort that even if the majority of the country is (apparently) opposed to gay marriage, they are not on the whole opposed to homosexuality. But your point is well taken that this information, while interesting, has no real bearing on the justice of Gay marriage.
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Great post, Bungy32.

I agree with some of the others that much more prominent parts of the bible, even ignored by evangelicals, so it's not enough to use the biblical argument against homosexuality. Not to mention that Old Testament has all these random rules regarding what materials your clothes can be made out of, and similar crap, which is given the same priority as the prohibition on homosexuality.

Mrs blogic thinks we're moving toward something like the free state / slave state division, so we'll have similar kinds of legal questions. Are "gay" state marriage valid in "anti-gay" states? Can an anti-gay state gay couple get married in a gay state?

My guess is that this issue will be dead in twenty years. I sure hope so. I think the Democratic party won't be arguing about it in ten years -- the party will officially favor national gay marriage. After that, it'll only be a matter of time before the right to marriage -- which is considered a basic right -- stops being denied to gay couples, just as it was once denied to interracial couples.

I wonder if the people who oppose gay marriage realize they're making the exact same arguments -- down to quoting the bible and throwing around ironclad defintions of marriage -- that the opponents of interracial marriage used. Often the very laws being used to avoid recognition of gay marriages are the ones put on the books to prevent interracial marriages.

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