Rapist wins the lottery

Is the law ever fair....

http://www.itv.com/news/609988.html
A rapist who is serving life imprisonment has won over seven million on the lottery. Iorworth Hoare, who was prisoned in 1989 for life for the attempted rape of a 60 year old woman in the park. This was not the first rape he attempted. He was on day release when he took part in the lottery.

Should we even have a problem with this? The guy served his time and he could be rehabilitated for all we know. You could argue this isn't fair. Someone who committed crimes, lowest of the low in my opinion should be able to take part in such thing, and actually win. There are far more deserving people out there. Yes of course there are. We could say that about anything. Having said that it does leave a sour taste in your mouth, that someone like that can have such good things happen to them.

I guess it depends on where you stand on the justice system. Do we forgive and forget because someone has spent their time in prison. Is that enough punishment, and they should come out and then have a clean slate? Some people do make one off mistakes. Or do we continue to punish them, until we see fit that they can accepted as equal members of society again? the law pretty much protects criminals. I'm unlikely to find out someone has served time in prison for raping someone. Do I have the right to know though? Should prisioners be allowed completely clean slates. Who should decide when the time is right to forgive, the law or society? Is it fair this man just won seven million? Ahhh questions......


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I kinda just think life just isn't fair. How come good law abiding citizens like us never win the lottery just by stepping out of our houses?
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Luck never is subject to ethics or morality or righteouness. You may feel bad. But life is like that, what can we do when so many corrupt peoples get so rich,successful and achieving in life while many good people have to struggle in their own sisyphean odysseys. Life is not fair, but thats a harsh fact of life, whether you like it or not .
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$7 million should just about cover room and board for life at one of the state's lovely criminal institutions...too bad the government can't force him to fork it over! Time to revise the law..."From this day forth, criminals are illegible for the lotto."

Or maybe the 60 year old he attempted to rape should take him to civil court...$7 million in restitution doesn't sound so bad.
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I kinda just think life just isn't fair.


You're right, life isn't fair. I do believe in karma though, and i'm sure this guy will eventually get what's coming to him!

what can we do when so many corrupt peoples get so rich,successful and achieving in life while many good people have to struggle in their own sisyphean odysseys


I agree, it's just the way life works out. It's just a shame it has to be like that. Money won't buy him happiness though.

$7 million should just about cover room and board for life at one of the state's lovely criminal institutions...too bad the government can't force him to fork it over!


Hehe shades I love this idea! If only hey, and it wasn't even in dollars, it was £7 million! It's so unfair!

Or maybe the 60 year old he attempted to rape should take him to civil court...$7 million in restitution doesn't sound so bad.


There's an idea, I do think something should be done. Apparently he has had to be moved to a secure unit, because he was showing off to much in front of other prisioners!

Thanks for the comments guys xxx
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Isn't he already serving time? Unless it's illegal for convicts to win the lottery, he deserves to keep that money.

I guess it depends on where you stand on the justice system. Do we forgive and forget because someone has spent their time in prison. Is that enough punishment, and they should come out and then have a clean slate? Some people do make one off mistakes. Or do we continue to punish them, until we see fit that they can accepted as equal members of society again? the law pretty much protects criminals. I'm unlikely to find out someone has served time in prison for raping someone. Do I have the right to know though? Should prisioners be allowed completely clean slates. Who should decide when the time is right to forgive, the law or society? Is it fair this man just won seven million? Ahhh questions......


I think if criminals will be forced to be outcasts for their entire lives because of some mistakes they made in the past, then I think that's more inhumane then simply killing them quickly and being done with it.
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then I think that's more inhumane then simply killing them quickly and being done with it.

That's not a bad idea actually. Death to all rapists.
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Isn't he already serving time? Unless it's illegal for convicts to win the lottery, he deserves to keep that money.


It is legal for him to play the lottery. Thanks for you opinion.

I think if criminals will be forced to be outcasts for their entire lives because of some mistakes they made in the past, then I think that's more inhumane then simply killing them quickly and being done with it.


Maybe that's the price you pay when you choose to have sex with someone against their will

That's not a bad idea actually. Death to all rapists.


Rape is such an awful crime, my thoughts are with the victim, who has to live with that the rest of their lives. The rapist can move on eventually.

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I think if criminals will be forced to be outcasts for their entire lives because of some mistakes they made in the past, then I think that's more inhumane then simply killing them quickly and being done with it.


I'm for killing them then.  Cheaper than keeping them alive and locked up for all that time.


Unless it's illegal for convicts to win the lottery, he deserves to keep that money.


What about his victim?  What does she deserve?  She sure as hell didn't deserve to have him rape her.  He doesn't deserve diddly squat.  He gave away his 'deserving' anything when he violently attacked that woman - and tried to attack another woman prior to that.


Or maybe the 60 year old he attempted to rape should take him to civil court...$7 million in restitution doesn't sound so bad.


Heck yes!! Now he's got some dough, she should try and get some compensation.


 

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Maybe that's the price you pay when you choose to have sex with someone against their will.


I thought the price to pay was the time in prison.
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When they typically get out in a couple of years to do it again? If they go to jail at all? That's not fair payment. Castration would be a good start. And besides....there's not a "price" to be payed. It's about invading someone in the most painful and personal way available to get off on a power trip. There's no way to pay for that. Only to end it, one person at a time.
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I'm for killing them then. Cheaper than keeping them alive and locked up for all that time.


In some cases killing them is to kind, they should be made to live with what they did, like their victims do.

What about his victim? What does she deserve? She sure as hell didn't deserve to have him rape her. He doesn't deserve diddly squat. He gave away his 'deserving' anything when he violently attacked that woman - and tried to attack another woman prior to that.


Hehe, fiesty Dharma, I'm liking it! Plus I totally agree!

I thought the price to pay was the time in prison.


It is, but should he be allowed to simply forget about the act he did? In my opinion prison is just the first step. Maybe if the victim only suffered the amount of time he served in prision, it would be fair. I don't think there si anything fair when it comes to raping someone though.

Thanks for the comments guys
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When they typically get out in a couple of years to do it again? If they go to jail at all? That's not fair payment. Castration would be a good start.


Sorry, we was typing at the same time! I can't forgive the crime of rape, and I don't even want to try to, in my opinion it is unforgivable.

Thanks for the comment!
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It is, but should he be allowed to simply forget about the act he did? In my opinion prison is just the first step. Maybe if the victim only suffered the amount of time he served in prision, it would be fair. I don't think there si anything fair when it comes to raping someone though.


The only way to truly make it fair would be to have the rapist be raped, and the murderer killed, and the whole eye for an eye thing. Otherwise, it'll never be fair, so you might as well kill him.
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The only way to truly make it fair would be to have the rapist be raped, and the murderer killed, and the whole eye for an eye thing.


This is true. It will never be fair as life isn't. So why should he be forgiven for the crime just because hes left prision? In a perfect world maybe he would be, but in a perfect world he wouldn't of done it in the first place.
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His victim needs to sue him for it!


Agreed
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This is true. It will never be fair as life isn't. So why should he be forgiven for the crime just because hes left prision? In a perfect world maybe he would be, but in a perfect world he wouldn't of done it in the first place.


Then what we need much more capital punishment because some people will never change.
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Then what we need much more capital punishment because some people will never change.


Do you not think they should be made to suffer the life they have to lead after leaving prison, when society doesn't accept them?
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The only way to truly make it fair would be to have the rapist be raped, and the murderer killed, and the whole eye for an eye thing. Otherwise, it'll never be fair, so you might as well kill him.


Prison is supposed to be punishment.  Prison isn't about playing the fucking lottery. Prison is about being locked up, having the basic creature comforts the rest of the population takes for granted taken away from you because you can't behave yourself.  Playing the lottery is a luxury, period, and he shouldn't be allowed to keep the cash.

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Do you not think they should be made to suffer the life they have to lead after leaving prison, when society doesn't accept them?


I do think they should be made to suffer, but that's because I'm a very vindictive person, and I hear that an undesirable trait. Besides, placing them back onto the streets when they are as dangerous as ever helps nobody. If anything, it'd increase the chances of somebody else being raped.
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Do you not think they should be made to suffer the life they have to lead after leaving prison, when society doesn't accept them?


You made you bed, now lie in it. 

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Prison is about being locked up, having the basic creature comforts the rest of the population takes for granted taken away from you because you can't behave yourself. Playing the lottery is a luxury, period, and he shouldn't be allowed to keep the cash.


This is a good point, the lottery is a luxury he shouldn't be allowed in the first place. I seriously think the victim should take him to court. No amount of moeny will make them feel better, but at least he won't have it.

Besides, placing them back onto the streets when they are as dangerous as ever helps nobody. If anything, it'd increase the chances of somebody else being raped.


You said before he should have the money. So he should have the money, and the ability to commit the crime again? We don't know id prison weill rehabilitate or not. There should be provisions, so he couldn't play the lottery in the first place.
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You said before he should have the money. So he should have the money, and the ability to commit the crime again? We don't know id prison weill rehabilitate or not. There should be provisions, so he couldn't play the lottery in the first place.


The only way he'd have the ability to commit the crime again is if he was freed or allowed to live (because people can even be raped in prison, and not always prisoners). He should have the money though because it was legal for him to do what he did. If it's not legal, then no he shouldn't have money. Even if they make it illegal now, he should still be able to keep it because it wasn't illegal at the time he won it.
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The only way he'd have the ability to commit the crime again is if he was freed or allowed to live


If only it was as easy as black and white. If he was guilty of the crime, and it was 100% that he was just evil. I'd be quite happy for capital punishment. Unfortunately not everyone is always guilty, some people are rehabilitated. Shouel be willing to take that chance for the sake of a life. That is a question I can't answer.

He should have the money though because it was legal for him to do what he did.


He should have it, yes, but is it right for him to have it?
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If only it was as easy as black and white. If he was guilty of the crime, and it was 100% that he was just evil. I'd be quite happy for capital punishment. Unfortunately not everyone is always guilty, some people are rehabilitated. Shouel be willing to take that chance for the sake of a life. That is a question I can't answer.


Well, if some of these people might not be evil, then isn't it cruel to make them suffer even after they've served their time and were possibly rehabilitated? People who aren't guilty will probably suffer dearly in prison. They won't have it easy either way.

He should have it, yes, but is it right for him to have it?


No. He shouldn't have had the chance to play it in the first place.