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1. Re: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
From: David Rickman
2. Ground Rules for KerrySpace
From:
3. Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: Jeff Foust
4. Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
From: "keithcowing"
5. Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: Timothy Weaver
6. Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
From: g scheerbaum
7. Re: John Kerry speaks at KSC
From: "prospacejj"
8. John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: "crusoe242000"
9. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From:
10. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: "Jim Hillhouse"
11. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: "Jim Hillhouse"
12. Why no one cares
From: "Robert Oler"
13. Gallup Poll Confirms Strong Support For Vision For Space Exploration
From: "crusoe242000"
14. Re: Why no one cares
From: "keithcowing"
15. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: Jeff Foust
16. RE: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
From: "Rick Fischer"
17. Re: John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: Jeff Foust
18. my comments on what kerry's space policy should be
From: "cebacon2005"
19. Re: John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: "keithcowing"
20. Re: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
From: "keithcowing"
21. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: "keithcowing"
22. Re: my comments on what kerry's space policy should be
From:
23. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From:
24. Re: John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: "Robert Oler"
25. A Comment On The ESA & NASA Study Of Mars Direct
From: "crusoe242000"
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rickman
Subject: Re: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
1. Bush's plan is a little more than just "hot air". It involves a lot of smoke and mirrors, too! If you go to the archives of "Friends and Partners in Space" (http://www.friends-partners.org/pipermail/fpspace/) you'll see that the leading space experts understand that while it would appear Bush is pro space, his plan would ultimately lead to the end of U. S. manned space exploration. This is basically the same atmosphere Bush created in taking us into an unjustified war. If you oppose His view, you could be in danger of being viewed as "unpatriotic".
Lori Garver has realistic views and plans and I'm ready to support her and John Kerry.
2. As Lori Garver is a well educated person of distinction and worthy of respect, you might consider using "spell and grammar check" before posting your comments. This will add a little more credibility to them. Just a thought.
David Rickman
osiris23223 wrote:
"The Bush initiative is simply hot-air and has made it impossible in
an election year for Kerry to say much on space."
Explain why its impossible?
There is hot air alright. Kerry has plenty to say about other Bush
plans. Why is space exploration any different?
You expect to get a pro-space vote by saying that? That he wont say
much? Nuts to that.
Kerry hasnt said much on Space anyways. Why should I or anyone who
is pro-space exploration expect different now? He went to NASA and
talked about health care???? Me thinks he was using NASA as a photo
op to show he is for "science".
And why shouuld I as anyone who breathes space exploration expect
that a
Kerry space program would include human missions returning to
the Moon or going to Mars in the next 10 years.
Just saying the Bush initiative is hot air is NOT going to cut it.
You want a pro-Space Vote? You have to EARN IT.
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14178
Leading Space Groups Agree: It's Time For The Moon, Mars And Beyond
In an unprecedented show of unity, thirteen of the nation's premier
space advocacy groups, industry associations and space policy
organizations have teamed up to support the effort to refocus NASA's
human space activities toward exploration, including a return to the
Moon and moving on to Mars and beyond.
The organizations involved include: Aerospace Industries
Association, Aerospace States Association, American Astronautical
Society, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,
California Space Authority, Florida Space Authority, The Mars
Society, National Coalition of Spaceport States, National Space
Society, The Planetary Society, ProSpace, Space Access Society and
Space Frontier Foundation.
Collectively these groups can count almost one million Americans as
members or as employees of member companies. Their first goal as a
group is to work for broad Congressional support of the new national
vision for space exploration outside of low earth orbit, which they
refer to as Moon, Mars and Beyond. To begin they will work to secure
first year funding for the initiative, which they view as a
necessary first step for in-depth planning of the exploration
program to commence in earnest.
In addition they intend to aggressively refute the false impression
that Moon, Mars and Beyond is too expensive for this country to take
on. They will demonstrate how modest but steady growth in our
national expenditures on space can move the nation toward these
important goals, and the benefits those expenditures will provide.
As space activity becomes increasingly integrated with every aspect
of life here on earth, this new focus on exploration will provide
myriad advances in science and technology, untold economic
opportunity and serve as an inspiration to our nation's youth. Given
those benefits and the many more that lie in store, this new program
of human space exploration beyond low earth orbit is a vital link to
the future of the United States and the world.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:32:27 -0000
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Subject: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
Since the membership to this list has more than doubled over the
last few days (I'm not sure why, maybe because of that post to
ProjectConstellation.us, or maybe just because this was Kerry's big
week.), I thought I'd restate a few ground rules.
1. YES, this is a moderated forum. For a certain initial period, new
members will have to have their messages approved before they go out
to everyone. Older members can post freely, but if they break any of
the groundrules, they will be placed on temporary moderation.
2. NO, this forum is NOT to debate whether you will or will not vote
for Kerry (even based on space policy arguments). Everyone has to
make their own individual decision about whether they will vote for
Kerry, based on any number of criteria, and there are plenty of
other forums to discuss one's voting decisions. (As much as I love
and believe in space exploration, I can't believe that someone would
choose a president SOLELY based on his space policy.)
3. NO, this forum is NOT to debate the merits of space exploration.
If you are here, it is assumed you are generally supportive of space
exploration and believe in its merits. Also, debates comparing
different types of exploration, different platforms/systems/etc may
be necessary sometimes, but is not the focus of this forum.
4. YES, this forum IS here to discuss space policy ideas that can be
suggested and promoted for acceptance by the Kerry platform.
5. YES, this forum IS here to share news about what Kerry has said
about his position on space, or what other staffers have shared
about Kerry's space policy.
6. YES, I am open to suggestions, complaints, changes, but there are
reasons for good reasons for all these rules. Given the vast number
of forums to discuss space available on the internet, I doubt I am
depriving anyone of freedom of speech by focusing this forum solely
on discussion of John Kerry's Space Policy.
Thanks for your understanding,
Rob Guinness
KerrySpace Moderator
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:46:59 -0400
From: Jeff Foust
Subject: Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
> Giving credit where credit is due, Bush seems to be willing to defend
> his exploration
> efforts. As noted in Keith's website nasawatch, according to UPI, Josh
> Bolton, the OMB
> head, has issued a veto threat to Rep. Young's Appropriations
> committee's cut of over
> $1.1 billion from the Administration's request. That is the first time
> an Administration has
> threatened a veto over NASA not getting enough money.
Most people also realize that the veto threat was just that: a threat,
one that the President would be unlikely to actually carry out. (To be
accurate, the President didn't threaten a veto, but instead Bolten
wrote that he and other senior advisors would recommend to the
President that he veto the bill: a subtle, but important, difference.)
NASA's budget is included in a $90-billion budget bill that includes
funding for the VA, HUD, and independent agencies like the NSF and EPA.
Worse, it's likely that this appropriation will be bundled into a
larger omnibus bill that covers a significant part of the federal
government; vetoing that would have a major impact on the overall
government.
One should recognize this letter for what it was: a statement of
displeasure by the Administration about the level of funding for NASA
and other programs (NASA was not the only one mentioned in the letter,
although it was the most prominent) in the bill the appropriations
committee approved. This bill is likely to be changed on the House
floor, particularly given DeLay's comments, and the Senate still has to
start work on its version of the budget.
Jeff Foust
http://www.thespacereview.com/
http://www.spacepolitics.com/
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:46 -0000
From: "keithcowing"
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
--- In [email protected], rob@m... wrote:
> Since the membership to this list has more than doubled over the
> last few days (I'm not sure why, maybe because of that post to
> ProjectConstellation.us, or maybe just because this was Kerry's big
> week.),
Lori's comments are contained in a story on SpaceRef.com that has been linked to
from Drudge Report for 24 hours .... hundreds of thousands of page views ....
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Weaver
Subject: Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
--- Jeff Foust wrote:
> I see little evidence that Kerry is anti-space. He
> is certainly not
> strongly pro-space, in the sense that he is not
> proposing bold new
> initiatives for NASA, but he is also not advocating
> major cuts in the
> agency. His interest in space mirrors the general
> public's: broad but
> fairly shallow. And after "bunnysuitgate", I don't
> see him visiting
> any other NASA centers for the foreseeable future.
>
Go to spaceref.com and read what he said about the ISS
and how he wanted to cut in favor of unmanned probes
and research on earth. While I'm no fan of the ISS in
and of itself, I would rather have that then nothing.
But what was said about the Kerry photo op struck a
cord with me. Kerry has no plan for NASA and wants to
avoid the question. The leak about Kerry's plan, I
believe, is a bait and switch tactic for Kerry to get
votes from the space enthusiasts without actually
having to come up with a plan. I just don't trust the guy.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: g scheerbaum
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
Hi Rob - Thanks for your message regarding the ground
rules. I wanted to write before, but I couldn't see
who was listed as the moderator. I had a message that
was rejected on 7/5/4 which I was extremely
disappointed about. My message stated that Dennis
Kucinich has a very interesting and exciting sounding
position paper which could ASSIST THE KERRY CAMPAIGN
in seeing that also tree-hugging democrats can support
a space exploration program with goals set higher than
low earth orbit. I included a link to Kucinich's
position statement regarding space exploration, in
hopes that readers could get the message to Kerry.
Even after reading the ground rules, I'm still at a
loss for why or how this positive space-related
message was rejected - especially in light of the
posted message from someone saying that Bush is
surreptitiously planing on "putting weapons of mass
destruction on Mars." I'm afraid that message lost a
lot of the groups readership as one which is not
genuine to its claimed cause. I hope that this group
can still serve positively in influencing the
Democrats' platform with regard to future space
policy. Maybe my message was mistakenly rejected?
Please let me know if I should repost, or if it was
offensive in some way, I'm very interested in knowing
how. Looking forward to hearing back. Thanks!
-Gus Scheerbaum
State Political Coordinator, PA
The Mars Society
--- wrote:
> Since the membership to this list has more than
> doubled over the
> last few days (I'm not sure why, maybe because of
> that post to
> ProjectConstellation.us, or maybe just because this
> was Kerry's big
> week.), I thought I'd restate a few ground rules.
>
> 1. YES, this is a moderated forum. For a certain
> initial period, new
> members will have to have their messages approved
> before they go out
> to everyone. Older members can post freely, but if
> they break any of
> the groundrules, they will be placed on temporary
> moderation.
>
> 2. NO, this forum is NOT to debate whether you will
> or will not vote
> for Kerry (even based on space policy arguments).
> Everyone has to
> make their own individual decision about whether
> they will vote for
> Kerry, based on any number of criteria, and there
> are plenty of
> other forums to discuss one's voting decisions. (As
> much as I love
> and believe in space exploration, I can't believe
> that someone would
> choose a president SOLELY based on his space
> policy.)
>
> 3. NO, this forum is NOT to debate the merits of
> space exploration.
> If you are here, it is assumed you are generally
> supportive of space
> exploration and believe in its merits. Also, debates
> comparing
> different types of exploration, different
> platforms/systems/etc may
> be necessary sometimes, but is not the focus of this
> forum.
>
> 4. YES, this forum IS here to discuss space policy
> ideas that can be
> suggested and promoted for acceptance by the Kerry
> platform.
>
> 5. YES, this forum IS here to share news about what
> Kerry has said
> about his position on space, or what other staffers
> have shared
> about Kerry's space policy.
>
> 6. YES, I am open to suggestions, complaints,
> changes, but there are
> reasons for good reasons for all these rules. Given
> the vast number
> of forums to discuss space available on the
> internet, I doubt I am
> depriving anyone of freedom of speech by focusing
> this forum solely
> on discussion of John Kerry's Space Policy.
>
> Thanks for your understanding,
>
> Rob Guinness
> KerrySpace Moderator
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:17:29 -0000
From: "prospacejj"
Subject: Re: John Kerry speaks at KSC
We cant expect any Space iniative. Do you know that in Pennsylvania
(Battleground State), there is a political ad that runs a lot and
makes fun of President Bush? (www.bushout.tv/archives/694.html) The ad
berates President Bush for wasting money on kooky ideas (The space
initiative) when the money can be spent here on Earth for "jobs,
saving social security". Does he support space exploration while
making fun of us for having kooky ideas?
Jim Garver
--- In [email protected], "Rick Fischer"
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To: [email protected]
Subject: [kerryspace] Digest Number 52
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
From: David Rickman
2. Ground Rules for KerrySpace
From:
3. Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: Jeff Foust
4. Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
From: "keithcowing"
5. Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: Timothy Weaver
6. Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
From: g scheerbaum
7. Re: John Kerry speaks at KSC
From: "prospacejj"
8. John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: "crusoe242000"
9. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From:
10. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: "Jim Hillhouse"
11. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: "Jim Hillhouse"
12. Why no one cares
From: "Robert Oler"
13. Gallup Poll Confirms Strong Support For Vision For Space Exploration
From: "crusoe242000"
14. Re: Why no one cares
From: "keithcowing"
15. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: Jeff Foust
16. RE: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
From: "Rick Fischer"
17. Re: John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: Jeff Foust
18. my comments on what kerry's space policy should be
From: "cebacon2005"
19. Re: John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: "keithcowing"
20. Re: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
From: "keithcowing"
21. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From: "keithcowing"
22. Re: my comments on what kerry's space policy should be
From:
23. Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
From:
24. Re: John Kerry's Election Would Be A Disaster For Space Exploration
From: "Robert Oler"
25. A Comment On The ESA & NASA Study Of Mars Direct
From: "crusoe242000"
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rickman
Subject: Re: Yo Lori, Why cant Kerry talk about space???
1. Bush's plan is a little more than just "hot air". It involves a lot of smoke and mirrors, too! If you go to the archives of "Friends and Partners in Space" (http://www.friends-partners.org/pipermail/fpspace/) you'll see that the leading space experts understand that while it would appear Bush is pro space, his plan would ultimately lead to the end of U. S. manned space exploration. This is basically the same atmosphere Bush created in taking us into an unjustified war. If you oppose His view, you could be in danger of being viewed as "unpatriotic".
Lori Garver has realistic views and plans and I'm ready to support her and John Kerry.
2. As Lori Garver is a well educated person of distinction and worthy of respect, you might consider using "spell and grammar check" before posting your comments. This will add a little more credibility to them. Just a thought.
David Rickman
osiris23223 wrote:
"The Bush initiative is simply hot-air and has made it impossible in
an election year for Kerry to say much on space."
Explain why its impossible?
There is hot air alright. Kerry has plenty to say about other Bush
plans. Why is space exploration any different?
You expect to get a pro-space vote by saying that? That he wont say
much? Nuts to that.
Kerry hasnt said much on Space anyways. Why should I or anyone who
is pro-space exploration expect different now? He went to NASA and
talked about health care???? Me thinks he was using NASA as a photo
op to show he is for "science".
And why shouuld I as anyone who breathes space exploration expect
that a
Kerry space program would include human missions returning to
the Moon or going to Mars in the next 10 years.
Just saying the Bush initiative is hot air is NOT going to cut it.
You want a pro-Space Vote? You have to EARN IT.
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=14178
Leading Space Groups Agree: It's Time For The Moon, Mars And Beyond
In an unprecedented show of unity, thirteen of the nation's premier
space advocacy groups, industry associations and space policy
organizations have teamed up to support the effort to refocus NASA's
human space activities toward exploration, including a return to the
Moon and moving on to Mars and beyond.
The organizations involved include: Aerospace Industries
Association, Aerospace States Association, American Astronautical
Society, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,
California Space Authority, Florida Space Authority, The Mars
Society, National Coalition of Spaceport States, National Space
Society, The Planetary Society, ProSpace, Space Access Society and
Space Frontier Foundation.
Collectively these groups can count almost one million Americans as
members or as employees of member companies. Their first goal as a
group is to work for broad Congressional support of the new national
vision for space exploration outside of low earth orbit, which they
refer to as Moon, Mars and Beyond. To begin they will work to secure
first year funding for the initiative, which they view as a
necessary first step for in-depth planning of the exploration
program to commence in earnest.
In addition they intend to aggressively refute the false impression
that Moon, Mars and Beyond is too expensive for this country to take
on. They will demonstrate how modest but steady growth in our
national expenditures on space can move the nation toward these
important goals, and the benefits those expenditures will provide.
As space activity becomes increasingly integrated with every aspect
of life here on earth, this new focus on exploration will provide
myriad advances in science and technology, untold economic
opportunity and serve as an inspiration to our nation's youth. Given
those benefits and the many more that lie in store, this new program
of human space exploration beyond low earth orbit is a vital link to
the future of the United States and the world.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:32:27 -0000
From:
Subject: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
Since the membership to this list has more than doubled over the
last few days (I'm not sure why, maybe because of that post to
ProjectConstellation.us, or maybe just because this was Kerry's big
week.), I thought I'd restate a few ground rules.
1. YES, this is a moderated forum. For a certain initial period, new
members will have to have their messages approved before they go out
to everyone. Older members can post freely, but if they break any of
the groundrules, they will be placed on temporary moderation.
2. NO, this forum is NOT to debate whether you will or will not vote
for Kerry (even based on space policy arguments). Everyone has to
make their own individual decision about whether they will vote for
Kerry, based on any number of criteria, and there are plenty of
other forums to discuss one's voting decisions. (As much as I love
and believe in space exploration, I can't believe that someone would
choose a president SOLELY based on his space policy.)
3. NO, this forum is NOT to debate the merits of space exploration.
If you are here, it is assumed you are generally supportive of space
exploration and believe in its merits. Also, debates comparing
different types of exploration, different platforms/systems/etc may
be necessary sometimes, but is not the focus of this forum.
4. YES, this forum IS here to discuss space policy ideas that can be
suggested and promoted for acceptance by the Kerry platform.
5. YES, this forum IS here to share news about what Kerry has said
about his position on space, or what other staffers have shared
about Kerry's space policy.
6. YES, I am open to suggestions, complaints, changes, but there are
reasons for good reasons for all these rules. Given the vast number
of forums to discuss space available on the internet, I doubt I am
depriving anyone of freedom of speech by focusing this forum solely
on discussion of John Kerry's Space Policy.
Thanks for your understanding,
Rob Guinness
KerrySpace Moderator
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:46:59 -0400
From: Jeff Foust
Subject: Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
> Giving credit where credit is due, Bush seems to be willing to defend
> his exploration
> efforts. As noted in Keith's website nasawatch, according to UPI, Josh
> Bolton, the OMB
> head, has issued a veto threat to Rep. Young's Appropriations
> committee's cut of over
> $1.1 billion from the Administration's request. That is the first time
> an Administration has
> threatened a veto over NASA not getting enough money.
Most people also realize that the veto threat was just that: a threat,
one that the President would be unlikely to actually carry out. (To be
accurate, the President didn't threaten a veto, but instead Bolten
wrote that he and other senior advisors would recommend to the
President that he veto the bill: a subtle, but important, difference.)
NASA's budget is included in a $90-billion budget bill that includes
funding for the VA, HUD, and independent agencies like the NSF and EPA.
Worse, it's likely that this appropriation will be bundled into a
larger omnibus bill that covers a significant part of the federal
government; vetoing that would have a major impact on the overall
government.
One should recognize this letter for what it was: a statement of
displeasure by the Administration about the level of funding for NASA
and other programs (NASA was not the only one mentioned in the letter,
although it was the most prominent) in the bill the appropriations
committee approved. This bill is likely to be changed on the House
floor, particularly given DeLay's comments, and the Senate still has to
start work on its version of the budget.
Jeff Foust
http://www.thespacereview.com/
http://www.spacepolitics.com/
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:11:46 -0000
From: "keithcowing"
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
--- In [email protected], rob@m... wrote:
> Since the membership to this list has more than doubled over the
> last few days (I'm not sure why, maybe because of that post to
> ProjectConstellation.us, or maybe just because this was Kerry's big
> week.),
Lori's comments are contained in a story on SpaceRef.com that has been linked to
from Drudge Report for 24 hours .... hundreds of thousands of page views ....
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:19:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Timothy Weaver
Subject: Re: Re: John Kerry on Space 2004, SpaceRef
--- Jeff Foust wrote:
> I see little evidence that Kerry is anti-space. He
> is certainly not
> strongly pro-space, in the sense that he is not
> proposing bold new
> initiatives for NASA, but he is also not advocating
> major cuts in the
> agency. His interest in space mirrors the general
> public's: broad but
> fairly shallow. And after "bunnysuitgate", I don't
> see him visiting
> any other NASA centers for the foreseeable future.
>
Go to spaceref.com and read what he said about the ISS
and how he wanted to cut in favor of unmanned probes
and research on earth. While I'm no fan of the ISS in
and of itself, I would rather have that then nothing.
But what was said about the Kerry photo op struck a
cord with me. Kerry has no plan for NASA and wants to
avoid the question. The leak about Kerry's plan, I
believe, is a bait and switch tactic for Kerry to get
votes from the space enthusiasts without actually
having to come up with a plan. I just don't trust the guy.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: g scheerbaum
Subject: Re: Ground Rules for KerrySpace
Hi Rob - Thanks for your message regarding the ground
rules. I wanted to write before, but I couldn't see
who was listed as the moderator. I had a message that
was rejected on 7/5/4 which I was extremely
disappointed about. My message stated that Dennis
Kucinich has a very interesting and exciting sounding
position paper which could ASSIST THE KERRY CAMPAIGN
in seeing that also tree-hugging democrats can support
a space exploration program with goals set higher than
low earth orbit. I included a link to Kucinich's
position statement regarding space exploration, in
hopes that readers could get the message to Kerry.
Even after reading the ground rules, I'm still at a
loss for why or how this positive space-related
message was rejected - especially in light of the
posted message from someone saying that Bush is
surreptitiously planing on "putting weapons of mass
destruction on Mars." I'm afraid that message lost a
lot of the groups readership as one which is not
genuine to its claimed cause. I hope that this group
can still serve positively in influencing the
Democrats' platform with regard to future space
policy. Maybe my message was mistakenly rejected?
Please let me know if I should repost, or if it was
offensive in some way, I'm very interested in knowing
how. Looking forward to hearing back. Thanks!
-Gus Scheerbaum
State Political Coordinator, PA
The Mars Society
--- wrote:
> Since the membership to this list has more than
> doubled over the
> last few days (I'm not sure why, maybe because of
> that post to
> ProjectConstellation.us, or maybe just because this
> was Kerry's big
> week.), I thought I'd restate a few ground rules.
>
> 1. YES, this is a moderated forum. For a certain
> initial period, new
> members will have to have their messages approved
> before they go out
> to everyone. Older members can post freely, but if
> they break any of
> the groundrules, they will be placed on temporary
> moderation.
>
> 2. NO, this forum is NOT to debate whether you will
> or will not vote
> for Kerry (even based on space policy arguments).
> Everyone has to
> make their own individual decision about whether
> they will vote for
> Kerry, based on any number of criteria, and there
> are plenty of
> other forums to discuss one's voting decisions. (As
> much as I love
> and believe in space exploration, I can't believe
> that someone would
> choose a president SOLELY based on his space
> policy.)
>
> 3. NO, this forum is NOT to debate the merits of
> space exploration.
> If you are here, it is assumed you are generally
> supportive of space
> exploration and believe in its merits. Also, debates
> comparing
> different types of exploration, different
> platforms/systems/etc may
> be necessary sometimes, but is not the focus of this
> forum.
>
> 4. YES, this forum IS here to discuss space policy
> ideas that can be
> suggested and promoted for acceptance by the Kerry
> platform.
>
> 5. YES, this forum IS here to share news about what
> Kerry has said
> about his position on space, or what other staffers
> have shared
> about Kerry's space policy.
>
> 6. YES, I am open to suggestions, complaints,
> changes, but there are
> reasons for good reasons for all these rules. Given
> the vast number
> of forums to discuss space available on the
> internet, I doubt I am
> depriving anyone of freedom of speech by focusing
> this forum solely
> on discussion of John Kerry's Space Policy.
>
> Thanks for your understanding,
>
> Rob Guinness
> KerrySpace Moderator
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:17:29 -0000
From: "prospacejj"
Subject: Re: John Kerry speaks at KSC
We cant expect any Space iniative. Do you know that in Pennsylvania
(Battleground State), there is a political ad that runs a lot and
makes fun of President Bush? (www.bushout.tv/archives/694.html) The ad
berates President Bush for wasting money on kooky ideas (The space
initiative) when the money can be spent here on Earth for "jobs,
saving social security". Does he support space exploration while
making fun of us for having kooky ideas?
Jim Garver
--- In [email protected], "Rick Fischer"