This is like a school yard, Ignore the bullies, and they will go away... I know it's hard on public forums where people have just as much right as you to be here, but you kind of knew that when you signed up to JU...

Muggaz life i think is like a school yard or better still like a drama where everyone has thier parts to play. I think we all need to play our parts well otherwise life is wasted.

There are two sides to the coin of life, one is positive one is negative, both are on the same coin. It is upto each of us to what side of the coin we want to look at. As I have explained in previous comments on this thread... It is not the person behind SPM that I am against, it is the character, the persona that this individual (whoever they are) has created. That is what I am against. And just like you who say you would not be friends with a person who would gas homosexuals, then neither would I. Therefore I stand against this character, because it is disgusting and goes against everything that I have learnt in this "classroom" or drama of life which has enriched my soul.

I am not one for ignoring bullies. I stand up for what I believe in. By encouraging this character to keep writing these articles which are like Manopeace says against everything that is beautiful in this world, you enter into the same category as he is by claiming to be his friend.

Well, you are right, there are always two sides of the coin... I choose to enjoy Sir Peters articles, because of the brilliant humorous technique that is used... you choose to hate them, because of the topics he uses - fair enough.

You can choose to focus on the material, and I will focus on the delivery.

Good Show old chap.

BAM!!!

I choose to enjoy Sir Peters articles, because of the brilliant humorous technique that is used... you choose to hate them, because of the topics he uses - fair enough.[/B

Hatred is not humorous Muggaz. Joking about sending people to gas chambers actually leads to doing just that. As one who personally lost a family in those gas chambers, I fail to see the humour there.
peter is a dangerous man! There is no justification for his existance on this site.
Muggaz...I beg you you to stop defending him.

Hatred is not humorous

Not even in the name of irony. Not only is it dangerous but it plays into the hands of people who truely believe in the very things this man writes about, and it unfortunately exists.

Sad isnt it Manopeace that people actually endorse this vile character.

Hatred is not humorous Muggaz.

Manopeace - you know I know this...

If Sir Peter hated you, or homosexuals, or anyone, I would question that hate... I know Sir Peter is only a simple man who is easily misjudged because of his exorbidant wealth...

I am not defending him... I am not defending anyone, as I dont feel defense is required - I am simply stating it like it is.

It's funny PB - Sir Peter uses the term vile in his writing a lot, often to describe homosexuals... you use it implicitely directed towards him.

The best way to lead is by actions... not words.

BAM!!!

"Hatred is not humorous Muggaz."

I dunno, I like Mel Brooks movies. I have seen his comedies feature Nazis, the Spanish Inquisition torturing Jews, racial and anti-homosexual bigotry in the old West, and all of these featured racial epithets and the same sort of things that Sir Peter drones on about. Not funny? Odd, considering his movies are considered some of the funniest ever.

If Sir Peter hated you, or homosexuals, or anyone, I would question that hate... I know Sir Peter is only a simple man who is easily misjudged because of his exorbidant wealth...[/B

First of all, I never once told you or anyone else on this site the situation of MY wealth. As rich as peter might be, he is truly one of the poorest creatures I ever encountered.

Not even in the name of irony. Not only is it dangerous but it plays into the hands of people who truely believe in the very things this man writes about, and it unfortunately exists.

No truer words have been spoken.

I dunno, I like Mel Brooks movies. I have seen his comedies feature Nazis, the Spanish Inquisition torturing Jews, racial and anti-homosexual bigotry in the old West, and all of these featured racial epithets and the same sort of things that Sir Peter drones on about. Not funny? Odd, considering his movies are considered some of the funniest ever.

I have seen Mel Brooks movies as well... yes, they feature everything you say they do, but not hatred. Brooks himself lost relative in the gas chambers, I doubt very much if he would find humour depicting scenes of them in his movies.

"yes, they feature everything you say they do, but not hatred. Brooks himself lost relative in the gas chambers, I doubt very much if he would find humour depicting scenes of them in his movies."

...and yet he features characters that would gas and torture Jews. He played Torquemada himself ("You can't Torquemada anything..."), a man under whose leadership thousands of Jews were burned and tortured.

Sure, they are just characters in a farse, but so is Sir Peter. I'm sure when Slim Pickens was blaring out racial slurs and they were lynching the black sheriff in Blazing Saddles you didn't jump up and rant at the screen.

I can see people being put off by Sir Peter, but frankly arguing with him is like arguing with a character in a Mel Brooks movie. People wander in, say WTF!!, and then realize he is a fictional character. The difference now is that a number of people refuse to calm down.

I can see people being put off by Sir Peter, but frankly arguing with him is like arguing with a character in a Mel Brooks movie. People wander in, say WTF!!, and then realize he is a fictional character. The difference now is that a number of people refuse to calm down.

I do not argue with the peter any longer...I blacklisted him...therefore causing him to not exist any longer. I am arguing about what he stands for and the hrm he is doing by being alive.

"I am arguing about what he stands for and the hrm he is doing by being alive.'

He isn't alive...not a bit more than Torquemada in "History of the World, Part 1".

Manopeace unfortunately they will never understand the issues we are talking about here because they havent experienced them. When it touches something that has caused them suffering, then lets see how they react. I do not or ever wish harm on anyone. Unfortunately without experience sometimes people will never understand, they can think they know but truely they will never know.

Not funny? Odd, considering his movies are considered some of the funniest ever.

Bakerstreet maybe you can sit there and laugh but when the issues that this creature hit a home nerve then you have to understand that they are going to cause a reaction. These are very serious and sensitive issues for people such as myself and Manopeace and Im sure many others, and to be made fun of is not something that is going to have me especially sit back or ignore.

He isn't alive...not a bit more than Torquemada in "History of the World, Part 1".

And for all intense and purpose Bakerstreet neither are you.

As manopeace said Brooks himself lost relatives to the gas chambers. I don't think you can really pretend that your reaction to Sir Peter is somehow universal among those groups he targets. If you don't have the ability to deal with things, even distasteful things, in any other way than outrage and sadness, then you are missing out on a big part of life.

"And for all intense and purpose Bakerstreet neither are you. "

That's just the sort of thing I would have expected from people who can't seem to differentiate. In the end you just make up reality anyway. You just go on living with your delusion that there is a sadistic British aristocrat out there getting fisted by his Thai maid.

I feel sorry for both of you, and frankly neither of you are really worth the time that has been devoted to trying to change your mind. Frankly I find Sir Peter more valueable than you to the site as a whole at this point, simply because he is able to function among other people, and apparantly you cannot.

If I had the filter option, I might filter Sir P., but I would most certainly filter you. I'm sorry to be harsh, but your behavior concerning this is ridiculous.

Phoenixboi...you are right. Perhaps people have to experience the brunt of these "jokes" to know the seriousness of them. I guess, we Jews, homosexuals, blacks, Muslims, or any other minority have to fend for ourselves agains the peters in this world.
I stated before that I will stand with you Phoenixboi, I trust you will stand with me as well.
Shalom!

I feel sorry for both of you, and frankly neither of you are really worth the time that has been devoted to trying to change your mind. Frankly I find Sir Peter more valueable than you to the site as a whole at this point, simply because he is able to function among other people, and apparantly you cannot.

OMG You have been trying to change my mind all this time? You are telling me that it is actually funny that my entire family was gassed by the nazis? You are trying to tell me thats its OK for a moron to advocate the gassing of homosexuals?
You are telling me that just because he is not serious about these things its OK for him to say them?
I suppose its OK to phone in phony bomb threats to airports or theatres, watching with glee as the people run in panic...after all, its only a joke, not serious, so its OK.
Sorry Bakerstreet that you have not succeeded in changing my mind. Sorry to see someone that I thought was intelligent enough to know the difference between humour and incitement to hatred continue to defend a concept that its OK.
Its NOT OK BakerStreet....6 million people cry out from their graves that its NOT OK!

I feel sorry for both of you, and frankly neither of you are really worth the time that has been devoted to trying to change your mind. Frankly I find Sir Peter more valueable than you to the site as a whole at this point, simply because he is able to function among other people, and apparantly you cannot.

I dont need you to feel sorry for me Bakerstreet. And why are you wasting your time here? Obviously YOU have nothing better to do. If you are so over this thread why do you keep coming back to it?

I stated before that I will stand with you Phoenixboi, I trust you will stand with me as well.

Yeah Manopeace I think we have alot in common, we understand the injustices caused by the character that this peter has caused in this world. And because noone stands up against them they are allowed to continue and this is dangerous. Therefore I stand with you manopeace against this creature of hate.

Phoenixboi ...if you wernt so far away I'd invite you over for lunch right now!

Its NOT OK BakerStreet....6 million people cry out from their graves that its NOT OK!

Manopeace to him it is only book knowledge. He seems intelligent because of his use of words and his ability to manipulate debates to suit himself, but it is all book knowledge. From experience comes life.

Bakerstreet, unfortunately you do not and will not ever understand.

if you wernt so far away I'd invite you over for lunch right now

And a place would be set at my table for you as well Manopeace.

And a place would be set at my table for you as well Manopeace.

Too far just to travel for a meal.... you better be ready to put me up for a few weeks....I would you.

Phoenixboi what do you imagine you have accomplished? First you launch a veiled threat against the entire site that gets innocents afraid and terrorized that you might be talking about them. (Who is the real life -- not fictional -- terrorist around here?) You make promises you never fulfill then change the definition of what you threatened so you can pretend to have succeeded. Sir Peter continues the way he always has. What has been revealed? You think that you have unmasked his supporters? What, you couldn't read his blog roll? Duh! No-one has said anything in support of Sir Peter here who hasn't done so on numerous occasions before. There were no masks to rip off.
 
You've proven nothing. You've unmasked nobody but yourself and your supporters. And the height of your delusional ranting is that you can't see that. (By the way, it's not "falling for it" when you are fully aware of what is going on.)
 
You claim to be concerned about how others might perceive JU after seeing Sir Peter? (What a grandiose delusion of yours to imagine you know or have any control over the individual perceptions of millions of people!) Yet you ignore that there is far worse on this site than anything Sir Peter has said, not just in content but because it is real and the people who are saying it mean every word of it. Do you go after them? Do you even comment when this is pointed out? No on both counts. It makes your cause look as suspect as your methods.
 
Your ilk makes a big deal out of others (temporarily) not being "in on the joke." That's the great thing about satire, you don't have to be in on it for it to have the positive effect. If someone comes in and is disgusted by what he says, angered by it, good! Society needs to be! That is the point! And if they can appreciate the humorous style in which it is done all the better. As for those who you can't understand cheering him on in his comments, that's called "getting it." As much as you think you do, you still don't.
 

In the marketplace of free ideas we should not be afraid that possibly evil positions should be given voice. We should rather fear the evil lurking in the dark, unexposed, unrevealed, rotting the rest of the apples in the barrel without anyone ever seeing it. Keep the evil exposed to the light where we can all see what is going on. If we never knew what Hitler, Stalin, et al said, wrote, and believed how could we know the evil when it rises again? How often do we have a chance to come face to face with the disagreeable and offensive? We should have enough faith in mankind that the majority, when exposed to the virus, will build up the proper immunity. Some will not. We will always have evil with us. But once exposed, the majority has a far greater chance to recognize it when it comes and in so doing society as a whole will be in a far better position to defend against it.

 
You don't have to get the satire for it have the effect. Actually you are the ones that "fell for it." Hook, line, and sinker.
 

Manopeace unfortunately they will never understand the issues we are talking about here because they havent experienced them. When it touches something that has caused them suffering, then lets see how they react. I do not or ever wish harm on anyone. Unfortunately without experience sometimes people will never understand, they can think they know but truely they will never know.

 
More mind reading and grandiosity. Yes you poor dears are the keepers of suffering on JU -- nobody knows the trouble you've seen. Well, you have no idea what anyone else has been through. Yes, Sir Peter has said things that "touched my suffering," but you know what? I made a counter joke and kept on moving. It gives me the oppurtunity to learn to react in a healthy way -- healthy for me and for the good of my society -- and it gives me the oppurtunity to practice that. Yet one more benefit of the Sir Peter experience, exposing us and how we react to others in the world. (Yet one more way you "fell for it," and not in a good way either.)
 
You imagine that because your side is not taken it is just because we don't know suffering or bigotry? Again you presume too much. I've got news for you, even people with the exact same life experience frequently have diametrically opposed beliefs and reactions. You've built this self-congratulatory little thread where 4 or 5 of you can gather and through joint praise and mutual admiration imagine you are the keepers of right and actually accomplishing something. (From my perspective you're a bunch of mini dictator-wannabes working yourselves into a persecutorial lather. If I wanted to play mind reader I would imagine you live powerless little lifes and your ability to harass people on-line gives you some sense of meaning and power that you see yourselves as lacking in the real world.)
 

Sir Peter is... exposing those who would name call in the name of countering name calling, who would express hatred and bigotry in the name of countering hatred and bigotry, who would vilify in the name of anti-vilification, and never once see the irony.

 

Manopeace... I dare that pompous royal twit to come here for a vacation. Real or not, the gallows will be real!

 

Mano, you got an insightful from me for that last comment.

 

Sad isnt it Manopeace that people actually endorse this vile character.

 
What's sadder still is that in your apparently very real crusade you are far sicker than anything you imagine from Sir Peter.
 
If you accept that "Sir Peter" is a fictional character, then the author is an artist. One of the first things totalitarians do is crack down on artists and artistic freedom. You people are seriously on the wrong side of the fence. Manopeace (as head of a lynch mob you really ought to change that name) do you realize that at least one of the people arguing your side is elsewhere arguing for Hitler being a genius? And they mean it! Do you realize you are jowl to jowl with a (claims to be) former (but still expresses sympathy for) KKK member? (Well, now threatening to lynch the man behind the mask makes more sense, doesn't it?)
 
Who's more vile, Buzz Windrip or Pol Pot? The fictional dictator or the very real one? Unless you all are also fictional characters, you carry the modern day spirit of Mussolini, not "Sir Peter." When some of us speak of irony we refer to your total cluelessness about which side of the historical fence you are really on. There may be two sides to every coin, but the side you are on is that of every evil that ever lived.
 
Your position is the evil here. Your methods are the methods of terror and hatred. You are the inciters. You are the ones calling very seriously for real world censor and violence.
 

the harm he is doing by being alive

 
You people are too far gone to bother with. I've read my last of this foolish blather. And to think this is happening on the eve of Lenny Bruce's death.... Idiots never learn.

Idiots never learn

Obviously not...you just proved that with your rantings.

, sickening.

Anyone that knows me around here knows my feelings about the Holocaust, and Nazis, and racism, and everything else that you just make snap assumptions about. Yes, if you go back I have used a very understanding and persuasive tone with you guys. I have suggested, I have joked, I have pointed you in the right direction, but you hear just what you want to hear and take it as insults.

Yes, I fell sorry for you. I don't do it for your sake, I just do. This is about the most depressing spectacle I have seen around here. No worries about me coming back, the dust is officially shaken from my feet.