Shove It Teresa

One question.. Did you take vice president Cheney to task when he told his fellow politician to "Go F#$#k himself?" If you did, then you do have a point with Teresa. If you didn't, then you have just given another "lesson in hypocrisy".

Did Cheney preach about civility in politics before he told that politician to fuck himself? If not, then how is it hypocrisy to condone politicians telling others to fuck off unless they just finished preaching about how politics needs more civility as Mrs. Kerry did?

One question.. Did you take vice president Cheney to task when he told his fellow politician to "Go F#$#k himself?" If you did, then you do have a point with Teresa. If you didn't, then you have just given another "lesson in hypocrisy".

This was my first thought and then I saw an article written by averjoe on the Cheney incident and yes he did take Cheney to task for it Link
Of course averjoe copped criticism for that by the same people who would crucify Mrs Kerry. So it is refreshing to see, on this most right wing of websites, at least a semblance of balance.

Why was Cheney hypocritical? Was he talking in love tones when the other guy p'd him off?

BTW you may not get many replies as a very similar article appeared just recently Link

I think the Cheney/Mrs. Kerry comments are very different in that Mrs. Kerry was asked about her "unamerican" comment - which, by the way, was recorded in fact -- and she denied saying it. I have no problem with Mrs Kerry or Cheney venting their frustration while the tape is rolling. I actually prefer to see the more human side of politics. What I do expect is that you stand by your own words..........Mrs. Kerry dropped the ball on this one.

Mrs. Kerry dropped the ball on this one

she sure did and id be embarrassed as hell if i were her. 'shove it' was far too polite

she should have told him to fuck himself

This is where people show how polarized they really are. The same people applauding Mrs. Heinz Kerry's behavior (or acting as if the incident is similar to Cheney's outburst even though they know it isn't) wouldn't be nearly as sympathetic if anybody not on their side did what she did. Do they actually applaud people in real life who deny saying something they said only moments ago and act with hostility toward anybody who heard them and asks them what meant by what they said but are pretending they didn't say?
If the reporter did misquote her, then I personally wouldn't have a problem with her telling him to "shove it" or to "fuck himself." However, I have yet to read a report stating that he did misquote her. If he did, then I apologize and agree that she should have said more.
And please don't respond to this comment because I'm going to pretend I never said any of this and I'll tell you to shove it right after I say that everybody needs to be more civil. Then people will totally ignore the fact that you're upset not with the phrase "shove it" but with my lie. I'll be as respected as Mrs. Heinz Kerry!

I don't like the fact that she fell back on the phrase "un-American traits" after the left continually pulled that card on the Bush administration. She knew it was a mistake, and instead of saying "Oops, poor choice of words", she gets pissed at a guy that she KNEW was gonna call her on it.

I find it much, much more unprofessional that the official statement thereafter called the guy's newspaper a "rag". I don't think she is gonna handle the heat well, and if Kerry is elected he'll make tons of friends internationally, and piss a *lot* of people off here. Just my opinion. He's a career Washington politician, and she's a billionaire. I think they are both way too pampered to take the kind of criticism and scrutiny they are in for.

she sure did and id be embarrassed as hell if i were her. 'shove it' was far too polite she should have told him to fuck himself

One question.. Did you take vice president Cheney to task when he told his fellow politician to "Go F#$#k himself?" If you did, then you do have a point with Teresa. If you didn't, then you have just given another "lesson in hypocrisy".

I think that both remarks were inappropriate, but I don't believe that the VP was in any way hypocritical in his remarks. He had not just given a speech on how Americans need to be more "civil" toward one another. Just how civil is telling someone to "shove it" for asking you to clarify something you said, which you were then attempting to deny saying?

The same people applauding Mrs. Heinz Kerry's behavior (or acting as if the incident is similar to Cheney's outburst even though they know it isn't) wouldn't be nearly as sympathetic if anybody not on their side did what she did.

I happen to be supporting Senator Kerry in the election....but that still doesn't give his wife a pass when it comes to being a hypocrite.

He asked her about "Un-American Activities". Yes, it may seem trite, but it is crucial for the respect and credibility of someone who considers him/herself a journalist to not misquote someone. True, it was not politically savvy to say "shove it", but given how inappropriate his comment was, he might as well have been a member of the paprazzi.

I have watched a lot of interviews, and I just can't see her as a first lady.  She seems too self absorbed, and I fear that she will use the power that she has as first lady for her own agenda.

Saying "shove it" to the press during election campaigns is just plain stupid.  The public is looking for any reason to rip the candidates apart.  All she was doing was providing fuel for the right wing BBQ. 

Typically, the first lady maintains a level of poise and grace.  As an example, I really do not like Hillary Clinton, but she did always retain a level of poise and professionalism in front of the press.  I might not have agreed with her, but the charities and organizations that she publicly worked for always seemed in the publics best interest.  The current first lady is very poised and polished.  Can you imagine Laura saying "shove it" to a reporter?  I can see her explaining a misquote if there was one, but I really doubt she would have such a mean spirit.  I am having a hard time seeing Teresa maintaining the same role.  She seems like a very bitchy person from everything that I have seen.

People can say "well, it's the press digging in their personal life" but you don't run for president without assuming that your life will be in the public eye.  If she wants to be the first lady- she needs to start acting more like it.  If Kerry wants to bring "respect back to the White House" (don't get me started on that) he needs to have a talk with his wife first.

Make a list of all the attributes and responsibilities that are important in a first lady. Now cross out the least important. Next, cross out the second least important, etc. Which one do you wind up with last? For myself, poised or polished didn't cut it. I don't mean to discredit your opinion, I just want to put it in a different perspective.

Make a list of all the attributes and responsibilities that are important in a first lady. Now cross out the least important. Next, cross out the second least important, etc. Which one do you wind up with last? For myself, poised or polished didn't cut it. I don't mean to discredit your opinion, I just want to put it in a different perspective.

What's most important? The same thing I think is important for ANY public figure...knowing when to keep your mouth SHUT!!

Actually, the first lady spends much more time dealing with the public and acting in charity and "hospitality" roles... diplomacy. Dick Cheney was talking to one of his peers, but Ms. Kerry was talking to THE PUBLIC, to the member of the press, basically acting in the same role she'd have as first lady.

Not a glamorous start.

Have any of you ever read the paper the reporter works for? I have. I was just in Pittsburgh recently, and i think theyre still pissed at her for changing parties.But they are a conservative publication when it comes to the editorials, and Pittsburgh is a very democratic town. Its not suprising to me that she said "shove it" to the reporter. As far as her being suitable for first lady. We dont vote for the first lady, we vote for the president.

And Dick"go f**k" yourself" Cheney has a history of using profanity.(IE: the "Bigtime" incident with him and 2.0 during the 2000 campaign) But honestly, thats the one trait he has that i like. He may live in Texas, But hes still a Wyoming cowboy at heart! A very close friend of mine is from Jackson Hole and knows the Cheneys very well (his familys ranch is right next door to theirs). My ex girlfriend's father is one of his speechwriters. (too bad he will be unemployed soon). And they told me that it's just how he is. At least he doesnt pretend he's anything he isnt as far as how he handles people he doesn't like. Yep just like a cowboy!

Holy crap! I almost sound like a repub.....Hey perhaps_the_only_liberal_here, could you slap me around til i come to my senses please? lol

While were on the subject of first ladies, Does anbody else here think Laura Bush is kinda like a Stepford Wife? (all you repubs take a number and get in line)

being a Stepford Wife is kind of in the job description. Anyone involved in diplomacy has to be kind of "Stepford" I think.

That's what bothers me about this incident. It doesn't matter how biased the guy's paper is. I hate the fact that they would refer go a newspaper as a 'rag' in their statement. That isn't the kind of judgement a politician should make publicly. I hate the fact that she used 'un-american', and I hate that she tried to waffle on it, and I hate that she chose to behave vindictively towards a member of the press.

The worst part of being the "face" of government is dealing with people that have it in for you. Especially now, when the world really seems to be biased against us, I think we need people that can take abuse with a smile. If she can't handle some conservative reporter from Pennsylvania, how is she up to the task of dealing with antagonistic folks from the French or Arab press?

I don't see her spending a lot of time smiling and shaking hands with people she'd rather not. So far, she's just had to schmooze with people that she is wooing for support and donations, and who want favors from her in return. From here on, especially if they win, she'll have to deal with people that are openly disinterested or opposed to her goals. I don't think she is up to the task.

Actually, the first lady spends much more time dealing with the public and acting in charity and "hospitality" roles... diplomacy.

::smiles:: When it comes down to it, I'd much rather prefer a diplomatic president whose wife defends herself from partisan reporters than a president whose wife needs to chide him on being diplomatic

I would prefer a first lady that doesn't have to defend herself at all, and who doesn't need to chide anyone. Ms. Kerry is far too much the "player". It isn't her job to differentiate between reporters and determine what it means to be "un-American". I'm annoyed that we hear from her at all, honestly, since we don't get to vote on her as well. It is troubling to see a billionaire "philanthropist" with vast interests, little oversight and less restraint ride in on the back of the President...