Oops, she got to it before me.

This is what went down this afternoon...I was online and saw Emma there....the following is a copy of the conversation:

dharmagirl69: hello, Ashlee.
simple_things22: Ashlee?
dharmagirl69: opps, emma.
dharmagirl69: is that what you prefer to be called?
simple_things22: yes, considering that is my name
dharmagirl69: what post are you at, and what battallion is your husband in?
dharmagirl69: and what;s his MOS?
dharmagirl69: do my questions bother you?
simple_things22: yes, because i really don't think its any of your business
dharmagirl69: honey, you made it my business.
simple_things22: how the hell did i make it your business
dharmagirl69: when you went online and played us all for fools, you made it ALL of our business.
simple_things22: played you for fools?
dharmagirl69: all you have to do to end this suspicion is tell me which post your at, shawn's batallion and his MOS.
dharmagirl69: give me some verifiable information.
dharmagirl69: yes, emma, played us all for fools.
dharmagirl69: but you don't want to do that because it's none of our business, right?
simple_things22: right
dharmagirl69: oh, and you should be aware that I have enabled message archiving.  Just to let you know.
dharmagirl69: I think that you're busted, sweetie.  You might want to give it up.
simple_things22: i'm under a lot of stress right now, and this is the last thing i needed. If you all want to have a problem, fine.
simple_things22: so you think your cool? because you enabled message archiving??? wow.. that took a lot to do that
dharmagirl69: No, Emma, I mean Ashlee....I mean that what you say to me here is being archived.
simple_things22: i know
simple_things22: i'm not stupid
dharmagirl69: and is will probably be posted on my blog.
simple_things22: and its Emma
dharmagirl69: sure Emma.  whatever you want to be called.
dharmagirl69: got a post Bn and MOS for me yet?
dharmagirl69: Better hurry up and go look one up.  Because I'll be verifying it.
simple_things22: you know what, i don't have time for your stupid games
simple_things22 has signed out. (7/23/2004 1:48 PM)

I have it archived so it can be verified as correct and unaltered.

It just seems to silly to me that she could end this all with something so simple.  Some verifiable information is all I'm asking for.  That's it.  I'm not asking for a SSN, a bank account numer, a home phone number....all I'm asking for is information that will verify she is who she says she is.  They've already given out their names...surely it's not too much to ask?

That is all I wanted to know... I didn't understand who, since no one really said who, was doing what? I got curious. Been on here for only three days.

so, she created these characters ..why? for attention?

It seems that, regardless of how people initially look at chatting or whatever on the internet, I know it's easy to get caught up in other people's lives. If this girl tricked you, I feel bad. People like that shouldn't be posting on the internet. They look for whatever it is that they are looking for, and in my experience, usually the wrost things they could think of for whatever needs to bring others to a emotional response.

If all you wanted was info, and she was ligit, then what is the problem? Hell, I myself am pretty open to questions on the net, from strangers, but then again, I guess I'm not hiding anything. People's personas are one of two things when they aren't real: extention or false. I think your Miss Marple trip worked. Congrats.

If all you wanted was info, and she was ligit, then what is the problem?

That's what I have been asking myself.  All I want is some information that I can verify.  That's all.  She won't give me any.  Neither will Ashlee.  I asked for the post they were stationed at and the hospital the baby was in, and she blacklisted me. 

'Miss Marple'..hehe, I'm a trainee PI.  My husband's a detective.  It's kind of ingrained anymore!

Bravo Dharma. You could have been judged as someone just picking on a teenage girl. But you had the courage to try (in a kind way) to let this girl know that what she is doing is wrong. I give you props. I hope this girl learns a lesson from all this and realizes that she has a problem. This is obviously a cry for attention/help.

Heh, but every other mundane detail of her life was our business until she got busted

And that's exactly when I knew.  That all of our suspicions were correct and she was fabricating the entire deal.  She can post details of the lives, their sexual activities on the web for everyone to see, but she can't tell me, someone who she had IM'd with before and considered a 'friend' what post they're at.  All I would have done was call the post locator, and asked them to verify that there was a Pvt Shawn Rae at that base, and at the batallion she gave me.  The MOS part was mainly for Shawn, I wanted to see if he knew what it was/is.  Not too much to ask, huh?  Not like I'm asking for his SSN or their bank acct info. 

 The name of the hosptial where the baby was would have been nice too, although I should have gone about that a different way.  I should have said that I wanted to send flowers...I wonder what the response would have been then?! 

 

The name of the hosptial where the baby was would have been nice too, although I should have gone about that a different way. I should have said that I wanted to send flowers...I wonder what the response would have been then?!

Well, I asked Ashlee to get their permission to give me their address so I could send them something....and that went nowhere, even BEFORE we started expressing our suspicions. The nonresponse was a big clue to me.

Well, I asked Ashlee to get their permission to give me their address so I could send them something....and that went nowhere,

Hmm.....I wonder why that is?  Most people are more than happy to receive little things for their baby...cards, gifts, etc. 

Curiouser and curiouser.....

Wow. I sort of suspected that this was what the original article was about, but the only article I could find was trina p's very heartfelt post, and I felt sure that one was sincere. Must have missed the others.

That is really sick. Having been through the pain of losing a child (and our loss was very early in the pregnancy - so I can only imagine in a small part the pain of losing one after birth) playing on people's emotions and sincere sentiment in this way really, really bothers me.

Really.

playing on people's emotions and sincere sentiment in this way really, really bothers me.

And that's why I came out and said what I was feeling.  If it had been an act a la Peter Maxwell I'd have left it alone.  But because she was playing people emotionally I didn't feel I could let it go.  As you can see, people sent her e-cards, were wanting to send her gifts and such...becuase they cared.  They were emotionally involved. 

I think this is going to make my list of 'lowest things I've ever come across'. It's not up at number one or anything, but the fact that it even makes the list speaks volumes.

I am very, very relieved.

I was becoming concerned that the references to "the latest drama" concerned people doubting our situation (I have not been online much lately), so I had to do a lot of archiving to figure it out (and the problems with the site today didn't help). All I knew was that it involved prayer requests, a small child, and suspicion of deceit...2 of 3 fit our situation, so I was hoping to clear up any confusion in our own defense (I will tell you flat out that Gideon MacLeish is a pseudonym, so you're not likely to find any "real life" information under that name.

And yes, going through the concerns with the baby still on the way (everything's looking very good at the moment, folks), I can see why that would anger and infuriate people on these blogs.

Sorry to hear about the drama on here. Glad to hear it wasn't directed at us (for the record, just because of the latest drama, if somebody does feel compelled to contact us later, I will be happy to give them relevant contact information).

Glad to hear it wasn't directed at us

Oh no, I never had any suspicions about you and yours...my BS-ometer has remained dormant as far as you're concerned!

 

I'm glad it is almost sorted..so, what happens now?

i wish youd give your BS meter a little more freedom...dont doubt your intuition

With something like this I'm working off my own gut (and not getting paid)...and it wasn't until she pulled the 'baby's-ill-and-might-die' farce that I felt I had to step in and do something.  My gut, whilst good, isn't infallible, and I don't want to go off half cocked and run checks on people left right and center.  It leaves me feeling like I can't trust anyone or take them for what they are...and I refuse to do that. 

This isn't the first time I've done a background check on someone from JU...and that person turned out to be not quite what they portrayed themselves to be either.    Like I said, a person has to really work at it in order to make me want to go check them and their story out...

..so, what happens now?

That's all up to Ashlee.  I find it incredibly interesting that neither of the fictional characters involved has made an appearance to defend themselves and their friend.  I think the silence speaks for itself. 

If Ashlee tries to continue the charade...then I'll have to keep knocking her down.  There's not really much else that can be done.  I don't know if she's breached the Terms Of Service for this site or not, and if she has then the decison to act lies with the admins here, not me.  I just caught her in a pack of lies...I can't dole out the punishment.

Can't Brad and Karma kick her off like they did with Dan? Maybe not, though, because I don't think that was the main reason for him being "exiled."

Karen, (and everyone else) do you realize that she's getting exactly what she wants? We're giving her exactly what she was looking for? We just keep feeding it going on like this. We all know she's a farce and that we shouldn't trust her, so there's really no point in going on about this, because, really, she's just getting what she hoped for. It's a three syllabaled word started with an A. She's caught, she was foolish, but can't we just let it go now?

"If Ashlee tries to continue the charade...then I'll have to keep knocking her down. "

Although, I do agree with that... or we could just ignore it. Karen, have you talked to Brad or Karma about it?

~Sarah

LW, I have no reason to go look at your past...you've been very open and honest about things, and since you're not running or trying to run a scam....you're one of the people here I'm starting to trust and take at face value.  You're not the only one feels that way, you know.  I have no regrets either, I just wish I could've been a little more receptive to the lessons life was trying to teach me the first time instead of the second or the third.

Karen, (and everyone else) do you realize that she's getting exactly what she wants?

To a certain degree, yes she is.  However, that being said I don't think it's the kind of attention she had in mind when she started this.  I think that Ashlee lives in a fantasy land where everything she makes up somehow solidifies and becomes real to her.  Us being this acrimonious and (in her head) mean to her...she doesn't like it.

As for her being exiled...I don't know that she's breached any terms of service.  I can email Brad and ask him, but I'm sure he's already aware of what's been going down (he lurks on the forums more than we realize).  If he wants to take action, I'm sure he will.  If you want to email him, have at it...and if you want me to, let me know and I'll do it on 'our' behalf (although I do think it better to let sleeping dogs lie at the moment).

I think she'll be back, with a different persona.  We gave her enough rope to hang herself, now let her have at it. 

I haven't been on much the past few days.....but I'll go look and see.

And yes, going through the concerns with the baby still on the way (everything's looking very good at the moment, folks), I can see why that would anger and infuriate people on these blogs.

Glad to hear that things are looking good in your situation, and sorry that you had any worries over the comments on here. I'm sure the last thing any of us wanted to do was add to your concerns at this time.

When/where did the miraculous recovery get posted??

Ashee herself posted on the 21st, was that after the incident?

Interesting to note, too...carebear and captcornbread ceased blogging within hours of ashlee's mysterious disappearance as well. Sad to say, I think the web is wider than we realized.

If it is all true (and even just what we know is true), I will say this: "Ashlee" is a talented writer. It's just a shame she couldn't use her writing skills to a CONSTRUCTIVE end.

Well Capt Cornbread's been at JU for ages - like a year in November or something he said. I don't know why he deleted his articles - maybe he felt like a fool I do know that they were going on Band Camp this week.

Karen gets emails from both Ashlee and Ashley - and I've spoken to Ashley (carebear) on msn a few times.
As far as I know carebear, blondelife, zoologist, apedong (sp) amandahillbilly, capt cornbread and death by beebles all go to the same school - the boys are a year or 2 ahead of the girls but they're all in the band together.
Until Ashlee started writing about Ace and "the truth" I don't think Brandon had bothered with Ashlee Ryder's writing much. Carebear has been pretty vocal about her crush on the Capt

I still don't know what's truth and what's lie - you'd think Emma (if she existed) would defend Ashlee like she did against Sabrina - even though Sabrina didn't attack Ashlee - but then again IF there is a sick baby then why would you waste precious time on a blog site - it's all too strange.

This gets deeper...it's like The OC, only I don't have to wait for the new season for new episodes.

With that said, I still think it's interesting. A friend of mine on Live Journal did something simular to this. He created a character that was totally separate from himself. In that sense, I guess it would be okay as long as it didn't hurt anyone. As far as people not responding since this thing happened, and they were friends, that makes sense. They don't want to get lynched in supporting someone that might be fraudulent. Maybe it is best to let it all rest?