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Islam a peaceful religion??

Islam a peaceful religion??

I think not...

Islamic teachings, history suggest it’s not quite so peaceful

Every day, I feel bombarded by someone telling me Islam is not the violent, hate-filled religion it seems to be but, instead, the religion of peace.
I don’t see how anyone logically could say Islam is a religion of peace. The terrorists who attacked this nation on Sept. 11, 2001, were Islamic fundamentalists, terrorists following the teachings of the Quran and doing Allah’s bidding in bringing down the great Satan.

Islamic leaders have pushed forth the notion that every good Muslim must fight and destroy the non-believers.

The Quran makes it very clear Muslims “must” present non-Muslims with only three choices: conversion, submission to second-class status under Islamic rule or death.

The problem is not strictly the directive to convert or kill non-believers, but instead the degree to which it is carried out. Islam is not the religion of peace it claims to be. It instead appears - through the actions of its followers - to be a religion of intolerance and violence toward non-believers.

We only need to go back to recent history to understand Islam’s widely reported “peaceful teachings” are most often “misunderstood” by its most fundamental followers.

In the early 1990s, the United States sent peacekeeping troops to Somalia on a mercy mission to stop starvation in the region. Instead, local Muslims fought the non-believers for their offense of being non-Muslim.

Why do you think that every time we pressured Saddam Hussein, he appealed to his Islamic brothers to come to his aid in the name of Jihad? Because strictly implying that any action against any Muslim is an attack on their religion is a simple, easy way to get support.

Like clockwork, protest in the Muslim world would erupt. Soon on CNN, you would see President Clinton - back when he was president and believed Saddam was bad - or Bush burning in effigy next to a flaming, American flag and 10,000 Muslims dancing and chanting “Death to America” in the name of Allah.

How peaceful.

It would seem the religion of “peace” and “tolerance” would be for co-existence and getting along with your neighbors. Instead, the Palestinians have made it clear they can’t live side-by-side in peace with non-believers. And the only answer for that region is going to be the extermination of Israel - the death of every man, woman and child in Israel is the only road to peace.

In the name of Allah, suicide bombers are martyrs to be rewarded with paradise and virgins. This is not the exception to the rule in Islam. It is the doctrine of extermination of non-Muslims.

When people speak of Islam as a religion of radicalism and intolerance, they are told the religion is misrepresented and misunderstood. The problem is not a public relations issue. It is an indoctrination issue.

Everywhere but in the modernized world, where its teaching are much more moderate, young Muslims are taught in school that all non-Muslims should be killed in the same way we are taught that we need to be compassionate to those different from us.

The solution is not to deny the problem as the Muslims of the world have done, but to accept, educate and change it.

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Reply #26 Top
I don't see how you can say that a religion whose law mandates the kind of atrocity we see isn't responsible for the atrocity. Granted, the people have the choice to use that knife, but their act is bolstered by the belief that it is the holy thing to do.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Reply #27 Top
Hehehe... I will try to explain...

Do you think those knife wielding barbarians came to the conclusion themselves that it is OK to commit this savage act on the premise of Religion? I dont think they did.

I think they have been brainwashed their whole life, by authorities whose interests are clearly in line with militant Islam teachings...

It been mentioned before - do you ever see clerics or muslim poilitician families conducting Jihad? no.... they dont want to die, they have millions of under privelaged Middle Easterners to conduct these acts and die for them...

These knife wielding barbarians are merely pawns in a great game of chess, and unfortunately they are getting air time... not everyone is a blessed with education as you are Baker... the worlds general public will only see these muslims as barbaric freaks... which indeed they are... but they weren't born barbaric freaks... I simply can't beleive in my heart that any human is capable of commiting such an act in cold blood... they sincerely beleive they are waging a holy war... we have to ask why this is, and how we can contribute to developing Islams belief system...

I may sound like a crazy kook to some... but all the support and encouragement for these terrorist acts comes from western money. Granted, it's indirect, but it still hasn't stopped.

BAM!!!
Reply #28 Top
I don't think you sound like a kook at all. It may be necessary to concede a bit to prevent throwing the baby out with the bath water. The baby isn't Islam, though, it is humanity. The religion tends to suspend the practice of what we consider to be "humane" values under certain circumstances.

That, I think, is your point. When humane values override religious tenets, you could be a peaceful Muslim. I don't differ with that at all. You are coming from a culture that values life, and then you build your faith on top of those ingrained values.

When the ingrained culture is Islam, though, how can you make Muslims say, "Sure, I'll believe the Qu'ran, but only so far as it doesn't override these other, more dominant values..." Nothing is allowed to be more dominant. Islam is very forgiving in many ways, but faith in the literal divinity of the work doesn't appear to me to be one of them. You can't even read it with dirty hands. The religion demands that you see it as something more than just a book.

I don't believe a "normal" human being can do things like behead someone with a carving knife either. You can, though, make wrong into right if people have no other source of the definition. What you are working against is the literal word of the Islamic faith as culture, in my opinion. How do you create these cultural tenets for people to judge their religion against?
Reply #29 Top
Dear Sir ,
Before you think so , just answer this question : Are all christion people or jews people represent there religions ? , also I ask you to put your self in any muslems position , what will you do if your brothers are killed everyday seince 100 years ago or more ? and you can not do any thing . I call you to read more about the fundamental and principles of Islam
if you want to know any thing about islam just send your question to this e mail ([email protected]). thanks for you.
Reply #30 Top
"also I ask you to put your self in any muslems position , what will you do if your brothers are killed everyday seince 100 years ago or more ?"


They have. Terrorism didn't begin in 2001. The shame of Islam, at least in the Middle East, is its tolerance, and often promotion, of the killing of innocents. If you can point out Christians and Jews advocating suicide bombing, beheadings, etc., feel free, but you will find they get no popular support. Terrorists, on the other hand, get millions of dollars and the adoration of much of the Arab public in the Middle East.

As long as this happens, they will be soiling their religion by excusing themselves with it. I have no obligation to differentiate. If I constantly hear of Christians attacking people, I will be wary of Christians. The same goes for Muslims.
Reply #31 Top
I think that the Terrorism are not justifiifiable in any religions, especially in islam .
but I want to ask you if you search about the truth of islam , its principales ?. Do you know that in Islam even the trees you cant harm ? You must be honest with all people without exception ,you must help any one who needs your help.now I think that some stupied , Bad people from muslims Who can't undestand the message of Islam represent muslimes people and Islam religions by the effort of many West Media or information sources .

in my participate before I want to tell you that if we collect information and analyze it logically about the reasons Why those people do these bad things, we may found the answers that may helps us to solve the problem . ( I call american and west people Just to think objectivilly ), and thanks for all.
Reply #32 Top
I think that the Terrorism are not justifiifiable in any religions, especially in islam .
but I want to ask you if you search about the truth of islam , its principales ?. Do you know that in Islam even the trees you cant harm ? You must be honest with all people without exception ,you must help any one who needs your help.now I think that some stupied , Bad people from muslims Who can't undestand the message of Islam represent muslimes people and Islam religions by the effort of many West Media or information sources .

in my participate before I want to tell you that if we collect information and analyze it logically about the reasons Why those people do these bad things, we may found the answers that may helps us to solve the problem . ( I call american and west people Just to think objectivilly ), and thanks for all.
Reply #33 Top
Everywhere but in the modernized world, where its teaching are much more moderate, young Muslims are taught in school that all non-Muslims should be killed in the same way we are taught that we need to be compassionate to those different from us.


For the most part, people in the US are not taught to be compassionate to those different than us.
Reply #34 Top
"For the most part, people in the US are not taught to be compassionate to those different than us."


Having a daughter in elementary school,

... and seeing the tons of cultural and racial sensitivity stuff she brings home,

...and hearing about the once-every-two-weeks visit to the class by the cousellor to talk about "conflict resolution" and other such stuff...

... and given the numorous holidays and national observances that we have for that reason...

... I can soundly, SOUNDLY say you are full of crap, LL, at least on that point...
Reply #35 Top
Just because your daughter brings home literature and people come in to talk about conflict resolution doesn't mean that she is actually learning to be compassionate. She probably is if you show her how to be, though. That's what a lot of kidsaren't shown, for whatever reason of which there are many. We'd be a more peaceful nation if people were taught how to be more compassionate than we are right now.
Reply #36 Top
"Just because your daughter brings home literature and people come in to talk about conflict resolution doesn't mean that she is actually learning to be compassionate."


You said that were aren't taught. That is patently false to anyone that is aware of the educational system, kids TV, and everying else produced for kids that has a constant stream of sensitivity training injected into it.

You know this as well as I do. You can't live in America and not be aware of it. It is in our face every day.

You wanna compare that to what kids learn about Jews and other Westerners in Musim madressas all over the world?
Reply #37 Top
Do you know the misunderstanding problem about Islam ?you must know that your media ( TV programs ,newspapers magazines , and other western information resources )always diffusing information about the word “ Al Jehad “ that they say it is encouraging the terrorism .
The Origin of this problem that some Muslims didn’t understanding the meaning of the word “ Al Jehad “ which then reflected to many non Muslims to misunderstanding Islam at all .
Jehad in Arabic language means “ effort “ in English language .
And in Islam “ Al Jehad “ means many things :
-To make hard effort to force your self to bear the difficult of the life .
-To make hard effort to force your self to forgive others if they harm you .
-To make hard effort to force your self to accept your chance and your fate.
-To make hard effort to force your self to be far from bad things and to do good things , to help people and animals even trees , to prevent criminals ,to respect the others .
-To call others “ non Muslims “ to the international message Al Islam and then they will take their self responsibility to accept it or reject it .
This is the first ( and the most important )misunderstandings .
Reply #38 Top
BS
Even Disney movies are riddled with undertones that reinforce negative stereotypes about all kinds of people. How is that teaching compassion? It's not. It is showing kids (specifically refering to Disney movies now as one example) that people (animals, characters, whatever) that are evil are going to be from another country or African American (usually). This doesn't even teach tolerance, let alone compassion for others. There are a lot of things that people are exposed to that do anything but teach compassion.
Reply #39 Top
Muslims are violent, terrorists and/or extremists.
This is the biggest misconception in Islam, no doubt resulting from the constant stereotyping and bashing the media gives Islam. When a gunman attacks a mosque in the name of Judaism, a Catholic IRA guerrilla sets off a bomb in an urban area, or Serbian Orthodox militiamen rape and kill innocent Muslim civilians, these acts are not used to stereotype an entire faith. Never are these acts attributed to the religion of the perpetrators. Yet how many times have we heard the words 'Islamic, Muslim fundamentalist, etc.' linked with violence.
Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion doesn't dominate everyday life in the West, whereas Islam is considered a 'way of life' for Muslims and they make no division between secular and sacred in their lives. Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. NOWHERE DOES ISLAM ENJOIN THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS....The Quran says: "Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190) "If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61) War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term 'jihad' literally means 'struggle'. Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other 'jihad' is the inner struggle of the soul which everyone wages against egotistic desires for the sake of attaining inner peace.
Reply #40 Top
hmm, Disney has african American bad guys. Name them...

AH HA! Aladdin had an Arabic bad guy... but... wait, they were all Arabic. The little Mermaid!! YES, she was an octopus, but she was a FAT octopus. Oh, how intolerant. We all know that fat people can't be evil, along with people of any other color than white.

What kind of idiotic rot are you trying to spout when you say Disney movies don't teach compassion. I hear complaint after complaint about how Disney movies are TOO PC, how they stress too much tolerance, and how they are far too removed from reality.

Why not just make stuff up? Why not just say that Sesame Street teaches kids to make bombs or something? Are you even reading the stuff you are writing?

Feel free to compile a list of Disney movies in the last 20, heck, 50 years wherein the bad guy was an ethnic minority opposing caucasians. Then, make a similar list where the bad guy was a white person being evil, whether they be nasty hunters or british imperialists or whatever. The few you will find even remotely close to what you describe will be far back in the 1960's or before, and they simply reflected the overall attitude of entertainment at the time. I, honestly, can't think of a single African American Disney Villan. Not saying there isn't one, though, enlighten me.

You've surpassed self-serving and veered into insipid. Wait! Was Captain Hook French? He looked French.
Reply #41 Top
Hi,,
I talking to you from the Arab warld , and I want to say that most of arabs Know that America or US produce " Terrorism " in the whole world ,from the begining of it's history it's hands full of humans bloods (Red Indian ,in Vaitnam ,in Somal ,in Afganistan ,in Iraq , in palastain through helpping Israel,.......................)
Are you Optimal to judge others ?
America made Saddam and Ibn Laden to implement there planning to take " Oil " petrol to be the leader of the World .
Reply #42 Top
Duck and Cover, New Friend. Stop, Drop, and Roll...

Reply #43 Top
Hi ,,
to the citizen of the modern warld USA ( BakerStreet) , your reply represents your purposes, your opinion , your civilization . Thanks for you.
Reply #44 Top
The antagonism in your post (#42) represents your purposes, your opinions, your civilization. Granted, if the Arabic Middle East wants to bash its head against the wall, they have that right, but it is kind of simple to blame Israel and the West for your decisions to obstanantly fight losing battles. Battles, I would add, with people who aren't all that interested in fighting with you...
Reply #45 Top
I have a comment to that i was born here and so was my parents in so forth. Islam is a peaceful religion and is probaly the most peaceful. The terrorist who attacked the world trade center were muslims but were not attacking the USA because they are muslims or because they are in the Islamic religion untill you find something in our holy book that says to kill people and blow up everything then you can say we are a dangerous religion. And one more thing the Oklahoma bombings wasn't that a white man who was not muslim what can you say about him?
Reply #46 Top
I have a comment to that i was born here and so was my parents in so forth. Islam is a peaceful religion and is probaly the most peaceful. The terrorist who attacked the world trade center were muslims but were not attacking the USA because they are muslims or because they are in the Islamic religion untill you find something in our holy book that says to kill people and blow up everything then you can say we are a dangerous religion. And one more thing the Oklahoma bombings wasn't that a white man who was not muslim what can you say about him? Jihad is not when muslims fight everyone else it is belived when the day of judgement comes We the muslims and all God's followers will group together to fight off the devils. Not to kill innocent people.
Reply #47 Top
Ever heard of the Crusades?

Would that be the first Crusade when Muslims invaded Christian and Jewish lands, destroying churches and temples, forcing people to "convert or die" at the point of a sword?
Or the second Crusade when the Christian nations responded by invading and trying to take back the same Christin and Jewish lands?

I know Muslims who are peaceful, loving people so I know not all Muslims believe in the hate teachings of extremist Muslims. But there is no denying that there are a great number of such extremists who do preach hatred.

I know the Islamic Holy Book does teach that Muslims should respect the "people of the book" meaning Jews and Christians. Sadly the message of hate and killing is preached far more loudly and often in some places.
Reply #48 Top
If you want to talk logically,go deeply and know whats the Islam meaning,its not about islam or any releagen,its about moslims,not every moslim is a good believer,like any other relagions U well find good and bad people,tell me if it is wright to kill innocent people in palestine by joe like U,????
Reply #49 Top
Would that be the first Crusade when Muslims invaded Christian and Jewish lands, destroying churches and temples, forcing people to "convert or die" at the point of a sword?
Or the second Crusade when the Christian nations responded by invading and trying to take back the same Christin and Jewish lands?


Hmmm. Christian crusades? Spanish inquisition?


know Muslims who are peaceful, loving people so I know not all Muslims believe in the hate teachings of extremist Muslims. But there is no denying that there are a great number of such extremists who do preach hatred.


I don't deny that, but folks need to start pulling their heads out of their canyons, and not be so willfully ignorant. They need to realize that there are differences between those terrorists who are islamic, and those who are not. (those who ARE peaceful)

Like clockwork, protest in the Muslim world would erupt. Soon on CNN, you would see President Clinton - back when he was president and believed Saddam was bad - or Bush burning in effigy next to a flaming, American flag and 10,000 Muslims dancing and chanting “Death to America” in the name of Allah.


Hmmm, and what about christian americans protesting, with such things like that?

Reply #50 Top
The solution is not to deny the problem as the Muslims of the world have done, but to accept, educate and change it.


Accept it and change it? It will probably never change, they will always be a bunch of lunatics, sprouting their rubbish into the ears of their children sending them to commit suicide or to spread their hatred.

They either need to update, or find a way to make their beliefs jive with modern international law.


This will probably not happen much beyond the current situation we see in some muslim countries. If anything, it will probably get worse and return to older ways with all the crappy indoctrination that is being pumped into the youngsters heads these days by the extremists.

The Quran makes it very clear Muslims “must” present non-Muslims with only three choices: conversion, submission to second-class status under Islamic rule or death


MF's! I'll 2nd class their ass! Give me a suitable weapon and I will give them a "conversion" they will never forget!

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