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Are you a straight, white male?

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Are you a straight, white male?

If you are...than you probably realize everyone hates you...

from JoeUser Forums
I've finally decided to write something worth reading(hopefully)....

Ok, if you are a straight, white male you probably know how it seems every organization appears to be against you....Feminists, Homosexuals, and ethnic groups are undoubtedly pissed at us....I'll address these groups in the following way:

Feminists-Hate men because of our evil penises of death and our testicles of fury....or something like that....Many members of this group think women are treated like dirt and men take all the money and good things. It is true that men usually get 30% more money for working...but guess what....women in today's society get everything that we do and more....voting, job opportunities, everthing except for that 30% extra income....but it seems they always want the good stuff that men have....but also want the comforts of women such as....holding open the door, separate bathrooms, no hard labor...etc....I'm just wondering when they will stop...how many Amendments must we give them before they stop the march on our 'nads?....Don't get me wrong...I don't mind women having all these rights as long as they don't keep pushing for so called "equality" and are actually getting more than most men. Could you imagine if we had masculinists?....that would be hell on Earth if there was a group like that. Women control all men even if they are unaware...you know why?...They have the vaginas.....want to control a man?...that's all ya need.

Homosexuals-Ok...I don't mind gay people too much. I don't believe in the practices and apparently I'm wrong on that by judging the badgering of people writing articles on this topic. I just don't like all this sudden celebration of homosexuality....it's a lifestyle...and definately not a mandate from heaven...just because you're gay doesn't automatically mean you must march down a street with rainbow floats every month or so....Ever notice we don't have straight-pride parades...you know why...because it's a lifestyle choice!...Do people march in fat parades?...no because that's exercise...Also, you don't see any Cinnamon Toast Crunch eater's parade either...I'm just saying chill....you're gay, good for you....I don't care and I'm not going to be gay with you so cool it with the celebrations....

Ethnic Groups-Ok...not much to say except that the basic "Caucasian"(Never been to Caucasia, have you?) have discriminated against ethinic groups....everyone knows that....especially those God Damn KKK members(Sons of Bitches)...anyway, I just would like to see peace between whites and other ethnic groups...some people are so uptight about races...I say just be open and don't use vulgar stereotypical words....you know the ones. I don't have any problem at all with other ethinicities...I don't like anyone being persecuted because of race of either black, latino, white....or anything....we all just need to cool it....and I like the ethnic festivels that celebrate people's backgrounds...it's a wonderful event in which you are able to learn and understand why people do the things they do....so stop being dicks to each other and learn to chill without being uncomfortable.....

Well...I hope this does....something or makes some sense...it is pretty late right now...so, I'll see ya,
~Zoo
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
but if you look at today's society all women have the same basic rights as men


Not really. Inequalities still exist. Women are still looked upon as sex objects rather than human beings...you need only look at the seconding and thirding of Saiyan Robot's comment to see this. There was an article on MSN.com yesterday (I can't find it now, otherwise I would link to it) describing the inequality in pay for women and men who hold the same jobs. We are in a better position than we were, but the playing field is far from level. A couple of examples: How many women are in Congress? How many professional women's sports get broadcast on primetime? Why won't either political party run a female presidential candidate? Why are certain issues, like child care considered women's issues?

So, while everything might appear to be level to you, there are women out there who have bumped their head on the "glass ceiling" and are fighting for its removal.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hmm....well, I guess you got me on that one.....shadesofgrey....there are still some things, but as for the mainstream things are fairly well settled....and to throw in a bit of humor from a comedian who's name I cannot remember right now

"We need the extra 30% in the workplace, otherwise women wouldn't marry us....they'd all marry each other. So just let us have it."

That kind of combines with the gay issue...and is probably far from the truth but it still provides a chuckle...and for once someone finally pinned me into a corner....thank you shadesofgrey.....I hope to hear from you again.

~Zoo
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm going to take up this discussion with a few examples of how most groups play a "do as I say, not as I do" game with issues of race, religion, sexuality and gender... These are all instances that I was either involved in or watched first-hand while I was in college:

1) Racism...
Several years back, there was a massive demonstration in the Student Union building on campus to protest the administration's percieved failure to adhere to the diversity goals set forth in several policy papers. I say percieved because the students weren't able to properly articulate their argument short of demanding the university hire more black faculty and institute a new black studies department (ignoring the fact that it's hard to attract black professors to our area because it's 98% white... they don't want to come here, and I can understand that, would you want to be a white, male, PhD living in Harlem? Probably not). This was right at the end of the semester and I was walking through the building to get a snack before going to a review session. At the time they were rallying to march on the administration building, and while I was passing through the building, a black student asked me if I was going along. I told him no, I was just here to get some food before a review session. He responded by calling me a "racists cracker-ass redneck" and started ranting a bit about how I'm no better than the administration for forcing out minorities. Now keep in mind that I support minorities, I think in some cases they DO get a raw deal still, and I certainly do not harbor grudges against entire ethnicities, but for a moment there, that man made me feel a hatred for what he stood for. If you want racial equality, do NOT attack any other racial group... It is NOT ok to fire off white jokes and then become enraged when they fire black jokes back... you are no better than those you are railing against. It was then that I realized just why so many minority interest groups get ignored in this country... they fight racism with racism and then can not grasp why they aren't getting anywhere.

2) Feminism -
This one comes from an ex girlfriend of mine... she isn't an extreme feminist but still a fairly strong one... One day we were in the kitchen fixing dinner, we had been firing barbs back and forth at each other and were laughing and having a generally good time... she fired off some man joke, so I fired back a woman joke (something to the effect of a woman's place is in the kitchen)... I said this while smiling and laughing, my tone entirely joking... I turned my back for a moment to get something out of the fridge and she kidney-punched me... rather hard. This is the same girl who also got mad at me if I held a door for her, or offered to pay for a meal. The same girl who often lamented the fact THAT THERE WERE NO GENTLEMEN LEFT IN THE WORLD.... That chivalry seemed to be dead, and how she wished men treated women better in relationships. How if a man ever hit her, she'd be out of there in a flash... but it's perfectly alright for her to sucker punch me when I'm not looking because I gave as good as I got in a joke sparing match (she to this day does not understand why that one pissed me off).

Feminists (either extreme or part-timers)... you can have it one way or another... we can either treat you as a true equal, which means you get all the special consideration any of our GUY friends get (i.e. none really, we're pretty cruel to each other most of the time... but all in good fun... I mean we'll periodically beat the snot out of each other for no better reason other than we're bored and one of us happens to be smallest), or we can treat you as a different gender (which... *gasp* YOU ARE) and give you special considerations... like being a gentleman, opening doors, doing little things to show we care, not because you are incapable to do so yourself, but because it's a way we can show our affection. Any given male does NOT embody all that is wrong in society causing the hardships of women... I am not the reason you can not advance as far as you'd like in your career, hell, I'm not even part of the management structure that would deal with you, and my opening the door is NOT me forcing you into a socio-political role that is demeaning... I'm just passing through the door first and holding it open to be nice...

3) Homosexuality, God and the Freedom of Speech
This is perhaps one of my favorites, it has to do with the student republican group on campus and the homosexual/bisexual student group. The two are constantly at war around the time of gay pride week... it's very funny really. The student republicans tear down pride posters and hassle pride events and try to get them shut down saying it's against God, it's shameful, immoral, wrong etc. Those participating in pride events claim freedom of speech, religion, assembly etc and tell the republicans to go screw themselves effectively. They say it's a witch hunt and it's wrong (which I agree, it is). But at the same time they apply the same treatement right back at the conservatives. Every time there's any hint of impropriety involving members of the student republicans, these guys go nuts, and since the school newspaper is liberal run, it gets plastered all over the place. Private parties become public knowledge and what was said in private is considered as grounds for expulsion from the University... they protest and write angry letters whenever there's any hint of anything celebrating heterosexuality... they tear down conservative fliers and hassle events trying to get them shut down, saying that it's all a form of "Hate Speech" and it's shameful, immoral, wrong etc.

4) Jihad bad... Crusade good?
Visiting any number of public student forums around the time things were heating up post 9/11 and pre Iraq Part 2 I was treated to an amusing bit of hipocracy on both sides of the issue. You had the reports of al Queda (sp?) calling for Jihad against the evil west. Some student groups were very much in favor of Islamic retaliation against western influences. This outraged another large portion of students... who amusingly made cries like "Kill all Arabs!" No one seemed to recognize the irony in any of that... and most still don't. Jihad is bad because it is a holy war... but we hate Islam because it's a bad religion and therefore we ourselves must Crusade against it. Crusades and Jihad are the same thing, just different names used to attempt to take "God" as an excuse to kill off anyone you don't like and doesn't follow your particular faith. "Kill All Americans" is horrible, savage, unreasonable... but "Kill all Arabs" is so much better? Same thing works in reverse... neither side has any clue that they are acting just as bad as their "enemies" I've heard so many times that Islam is a religion predicated on violence and is evil and calls for the destruction of western ideals... From their view point, Christianity is exactly the same, only targeting them.

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The long and short of it all is that every group thinks they're the ones getting short-changed, that they must fight the uphill battle against all that is wrong and unjust in the world. Women, minorities, homosexuals, people of different faiths... and yes, even middle class white men. We all want to think that things are hard in life becuase we got the raw deal, that we're the victims of an unfair society that has stacked the deck against us. In some cases and in some places that may still be true, but by and large (at least in the US) you only get shit if you bring shit on yourself. If you consider yourself an oppressed minority... do NOT flaunt it, do not start spouting angry words, because I can guarantee that you will INCITE hatred by your actions. Most people don't give a rats ass what your sexuality, religion or favorite brand of toothpaste are. Parading, rioting, stuffing it in someone's face is going to first make them uncomfortable, because honestly we all feel a bit uncomfortable with things we do not necessarily understand... and second they're going to get mad, because when these acts occur, it's almost always conducted in an accusatory way against whoever isn't in the protesting group (the mentality that since you're not IN the protect or whatever, that you must be one of those who OPPOSE their cause).

The fact is... life is hard, people are different, you are not going to agree with what everyone else does. This is not due to some horrible social construct that is keeping you down, it is a fact of life and nature. We are different for a very good reason, be it influenced by climate or local culture, we all bring something different to the table. We all need to realize that there are some things that each group is better at (I'm sorry, but women you're built to have babies, and you're built to take care of them afterwards as is dictated by your biology... not to absolve men of any responsibility, but I'm tired of women railing against raising children saying it's just one more social construct to keep them down) than any others.

Be happy with who you are, do not begrudge others for what they are... they did not force you to be black, white, asian, homosexual, heterosexual, roman catholic, islamic, male or female... that's all just luck of the draw and can't be blamed on anyone
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sheesh... that was an entire article on it's own...
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
You're right...that was an article by itself......lol....but good nonetheless....I'd like to thank you for reinforcing my point, Zoomba....(And adding to it too ) I like your elaboration on the racial and feminist things too....those actually have real world references....Great job!

~Zoo
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
By: Zoologist03Posted: Tuesday, June 15, 2004Hmm....The first time I've seen Suspeckted not totally bitch at someone...I feel honored....thank you....

Hey...as long as we keep the discussion away from SUVs I think my heart rate will remain stable .
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't think I'll be saying anything about SUV's....so I guess you should remain cool

~Zoo
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dude, you just said "it". You said SUV's. Does that mean suspekted heart rate is increasing, and raising even more because I repeated it? Oh no. What if someone were to come along and say SUV right now?

Capt. over and out!
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't know what this SUV thing is...is there a link?
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm not quite sure what it is...but apparently suspeckted dosen't like them....

~Zoo
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Zoologist03Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004I'm not quite sure what it is...but apparently suspeckted dosen't like them.... ~Zoo


Well I guess that's the "bitching" that Zoologist was orginally referring to, otherwise I'm sure what this
The first time I've seen Suspeckted not totally bitch at someone...I feel honored....thank you....
is referring to....maybe I've been "totally bitching" at people this whole time remaining completely unaware.

SuspeckTed
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Suspeckted,

I think they are referring to your comment on the Female Orgasm thread. I wouldn't say you were "bitching" in the SUV thread, just passionate! And passion is good!
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well, to elaborate I've seen suspeckted yell at people...but maybe it was the passion shadesofgrey is talking about....anyway, sorry if I confused and/or offended....

~Zoo
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Way to go zoo. Now you got the man all worked up because of a problem with comunication. j/k

Capt. over and out!
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
this is really funny to me and I wish Unfairman was still around to put in his two cents. I think I often confuse my own yelling for passion sometimes, I don't remember the female orgasm thread very well but I wouldn't be surprised if I did snap at someone.

Ohhhhh Snap!

Love suspeckTed
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
Aww... he said snap *points and laughs*

Capt. over and out!
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
everyday is straight pride day.
and we only march once a year, and I don't even agree with that
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
It is racist though. There's so much variety among Asians, just like there are among Hispanics. It's like when people think Puerto Ricans eat tacos and burritos, when that's so not true at all.


Words like "Asians and Hispanics" are used because other races aren't as easily catagorized by the colour of their skin.

There are tons of varieties in ALL the ethic groups. "White" people aren't all European slave owners. "Black" people don't all come from families in Africa. Just like everyone knows that not all "Hispanics" are from Mexico.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
Zoomba, that was brilliant. I think that's the way I've always felt but never had the rhetorical prowess to share it properly.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, we poor poor straight white males. Boy I have it so tough. and to make things worse, I'm middle class! Woe is me. Whinge.
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
so perhaps what I perceive as a curse of being a fag is a blessing. I'm afraid of vagina but it has never controlled me.......except my mother and sister.......hmmmm.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
On behalf of all white straight males all over the world.....I'm Sorry. It's all our fault. We admit it.