why am I doing zero damage to these terran ships

i'm in a war with the terrans and for some reason my mass drivers (my ships small) are doing no damage vs. their medium (hp 24ish) ships with 0 for mass driver defense. I just spent hours gearing up for this war and now i'm pissed. can someone explain?
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Reply #1 Top
Off-type defenses still come into play, at the square root of their normal value. So if they have high defenses of another type, they could still be blocking much or even all of your attack.

I'm assuming your attack value is relatively small (3-4 or so) and their off-type defense is relatively high (9, maybe 16?). In that case, your ships could be destroyed before they get lucky enough to score even one hit. Your best bet is to attack in fleets, as defenses degrade as more ships hit them.
Reply #2 Top
and it is possible to roll a zero. if it's regular railguns, you've got a 50/50 chance of rolling a zero (unless your weapons bonus happens to be +100%). so half the time their off-type defenses, if they have any, don't even need to block your MDs.
Reply #3 Top
the fact of the matter is that they've got bigger ships and probably have better weapons, so your small ships never really get a chance to fight.
Reply #4 Top
i was running with fleets of 8 ships. maybe atk/def ~22/44. I do remember his missle defense being around 20, so perhaps that's it. I like running smaller ships...bummer.
Reply #5 Top
it's not really (or not just) smaller ships, it's also the fact that you were using such early-level technology. i'm going to assume you're playing dark avatar.

in DA combat, each weapon fires individually. therefore your ships were doing zero damage half the time, and 1 point the other half of the time. get better weapons, and you'll be much more likely to do damage. i mean, if you speant hours gearing up for this war, what exactly were your researching?
Reply #6 Top
most of the time was spent fleet building. the armor tech kept coming up cheaper then the driver techs. since i was constantly seeing zero driver defense on their ships, i figured i'd just take the armor path until it evened out with the driver one.

lesson learned though, i'm grateful for the info.
Reply #7 Top
ah i see - no worries for the advice.

defenses are extremely easy to research. personally, i like building defense-heavy ships, especially if i'm playing as the Krynn (+50% defense). however, for them to work you do need at least mid-range weapons. it'd be one thing if their ships had no defenses at all, but once they've got more than a point or two in the primary category (or 9 points or so in an off-type category), it pays off more to have more than entry-level weapons IMO.

i almost never start out researching mass drivers. their first two generations are very poor weapons. it takes more to research them, and you get way less in return compared to missiles or beams. though you can get up to singularity driver IV or V or whatever it is to get nano rippers, which are fairly powerful early weapons. but you'll have to pay a lot for them, so putting them on small-hulled ships isn't the best way to spend your money IMO.

beams are easy to research, and if you play evil, it's very easy to get to psionic beams, which are very powerful considering how quickly you can reach them. i almost always start off by researching missiles, though. it's just a numbers game. i typically try to have a strong enough military so that no one wants to declare war on me. i research up to stinger III or IV, and then put a bunch of them on a cargo hull -- what many players call 'paper tigers'. these things are cheap to build, and deter the AIs from wanting to go to war with you. with ships like that, i can usually hold them off for long enough to research the military technologies i really need to win -- bigger hulls, more miniaturization, logistics, engines, defenses and weapons -- not to mention the industrial and economic technologies i need to sustain such ships. in general, if you just focus too much on any one single technology, you're not going to do so well i think.