please continue this line of behaviour, if anything it will get you banned and stop these post on this site. My opinion.

neilo,

I am quite certain that you are not admin, and if you check TOU carefully, I'm pretty certain you'll find that trying to act like you ARE admin is likely to get you banned.

YOU attacked FS, pointlessly, because she DARED post this on the GalCiv site. For the record, we have no control over what cross posts, nor is there a big neon sign to let us know that is happening. While we've figured out most of them, every once in awhile, we post on one we don't realize will cross over.

You had a point initially, a pretty good one, actually, that this story has a fishy smell to it. And you could have said that without attacking the OP, and, in fact, if you'd have had much experience in online forums at all, you would have done so. Your response was bad form on your part, and I assure you that, while I am NOT admin, they will have no problems with FS or TW's comments.

Seriously, man, if a bogus story about a $9000 video game is all it takes to get you to blow your stack, you need to get a life!

Good to see that your sense of humor is fine. Not that i intially intended that comment that way, but i can see the funnier side to it.



No, i don't. As far as i know, to post here one must sign up to Galciv2 and log in and post, if there is another way i don't know about it.



Thats fine and i agree, but since my argument is about you guys believing it and posting "crap" as i put it, onto websites other than where it is intended, the point is rather moot.



I did address the point of this being taken as a personal insult. I wrote,


Again, i will echo that comment and say that my comments were inflammatory toward joeuser.com. If they were taken as a personal insult then for that i will apologize. That was not the intent.



I'm sorry but i have missed your point here. If it was pertaining to above, than i have addressed this.



There is a whole story behind the problems with many topics from JU finding there way over here and causing many issues. Granted, most of these are in the Off-Topic thread and center around the religious and political theatre but many are just perceived as spam.



Of that i don't doubt. JU is an open forum there is not set topic, this is a game site which bothers many people when Off-topic threads are posted here. And yes i know this was listed in gaming, i was not referring to this thread in particular.

All in all i still believe that offensive language should not be allowed. It is frowned upon here and if any post from JU can find it's way over here, then it should be frowned upon there too.



It certainly is, and my comments only add to the debate, when taken as they were intended. "F*uck Off" on the other hand does not further the debate but only incites what we have here.

This can still be debated, in the end, what is the point in debating something unless people are in disagreence?

Your right i am not admin and nor did i then, or ever portray that i was.

I guess this is pointless, but again, i attacked no-one. I attacked the quality of a web site based on my opinions of an article and thread posted there.

I don't know how i can be more clear on that. I have not used offensive language, many of you have. I have not called anyone any derogatory names. I offered an opinion that the article is crap and that anyone who believes it must be naive.



Again, admins here on Galciv2.com do have problems with offensive language. I'm sure every other part of their comments are perfectly fine.

just john.

Where did i call someone stupid? Thats right no where. So if you are going to attack me and tell me to learn to use a search engine, then how about you read the posts you are commenting about.

I did read the article and your links. Do you believe everything ever written?

And as far as the quote feature, i could say the same about many of the posts here, but i figured as most smart people would, that it is a difference in the web pages of both sites that make the quotes the way they are.

Pretty smart for someone as simple as me.

It reads 'forums.galciv2.com' in my address bar. That's all that counts for me.

Cursing is allowed on JU.

End of quote

It isn't on GalCiv2, where we are reading this.

FTR, the usual rule of thumb on JU is that if it is on your own blog site there is a tad bit more leeway than if it is on someone elses, and that individual finds it offensive.

Glad you're willing to at least come back and discuss the situation instead of slinking away. In my extremely arrogant, biased opinion, there was nothing wrong with the second post; it was the first that really set things off.

Water under the bridge, though, as far as I'm concerned.

Interesting story, though I would definitely question the validity of it myself.  It seems like one of those internet tales that you may hear, think is true, but later find out never actually happened.

If it was true, then congrats to the seller, I hope they enjoy their found money.

Oh i am happy to discuss the OP and the ensuing debate. I certainly would not "slink" away from any comments i made. When i proof read the first post it did sound as if i was attacking the OP directly. I had hoped the 2nd post made it clear that was not the case.



I couldn't agree more, though i will respond to those, not you, who are attacking me.



I have heard of instances in the media where drug rings use eBay as a money laundering tool. i have no idea if that is the case here but i would believe that before i believe the facts of that article. Like i said GH3 is available everywhere over here. It is very popular and is carried by all the major outlets. It is easily picked up for $150, on eBay too for that matter. As is the Wii too. No shortage's over here though i don't think it is as popular in Australia as overseas.

If the story is true (and it seems to be, as it's getting supported elsewhere), what it makes me wonder is if eBay is essentially shilling for itself. Here's why:

If GH3 only hits a $150 price point, commissions drop, as does traffic. If, though, we can get it to a $9000 price point, then subsequent bids increase, as does demand. Suddenly, a $499 "Buy it Now" price looks like a bargain, and the seller increased their profit margin threefold. Common sense dictates what will happen next. Buyers will descend on stores with gold in their eyes, store owners and unscrupulous stockboys will keep shipments off the shelf to capitalize on the temporary artificially heightened demand, and the only loser is the consumer.

And why do the manufacturers put up with it? Because they're raking in money hand over fist through the hype.

This story can't be true. GO and look on ebay. The completed auctions for this game only go into hundreds of dollars.

What's funny is I just researched this before coming here... My gut tells me they've got 1 too many zeros in that price.

Try Sweden, I have never heard of a shortage of WII-games,PS3-games are always soldout but never WII.

That was my intial thought too, and may very well be the case. Though as Gideon said, i would not put it past eBay to pull something like this off themselves. At the very least it gets their name in the media right before the biggest shopping season of the year.

Whats the old age quote? All publicity is good publicity. How many people have read that same article and thought "how absurdly ridiculous that it is, i need to look at that with my own eyes". And of course once there their they look around and a 2 minute browse turns into $50 spent on xmas.....

It's certainly not out of the realms of possibility.

Actually It might be possible that "Aspire", the high bidder, had his account hacked. Look at the bid history....

Either way this is all a big joke and a media coup for eBay.

It's kind of the opposite in the U.S., or at least in the area i'm in. A friend just got a Wii for his family and had to revisit the store to be there as the shipment came in to get his. My brother is still trying to find one at a store. PS3 seems to be a disappointment to many thus far, but maybe once they get developers fully taking advantage of it's hardware they can get more must have games for it.

On the cross-site subject. I think it falls on the site(s) design. Threads that do crossover should adhere to the language standards of all the sites the thread is posted. There are many young people on the gaming site areas of Stardock's network and maybe steps should be taken to either seperate the sites a little more or warn those posting in an area of JoeUser that will their reply will be posted on GalCiv2 as well.

On the OP; I don't really care enough to actually pass judgement on the validity of the story, but if true would call the buyer really stupid or gullible.

Actually I first heard the story on a news talk radio station here where I live. the commentator who reported the story is quite reputable and he had been at the ebay auction himself.

What happened was the guy bought his kid a GH3 for christmas and then caught him smoking pot. So he put it up on ebay with an explanation of why. He apparantly was severly flamed, likely by people who diagree with pot laws. I suspect the winning bid was put forward by someone who disagrees with said laws and has no intention of paying. Likely an attempt to sabotage the first instance of decent parenting I've seen in awhile.

A reasonable thought.

John, thanks for posting those two links! for those who missed the links he posted,

as reported elsewhere:

Link

and


as seen on Ebay and response by the dad to others who wanted to know if this was real or not:

Link


The point is gaming folks, neilo was wrong initially for sounding off with the insults. You might not have meant to but you did. I've had heated and interesting discussions without the name callings before, as have many JU. Some do resort to name callings and misunderstanding on the get go, but that depends on what the topic was, who the people are and why the attacks happened in the first place. One has to be able to defend themselves when attacked and that was a dismissive rebuff of me and my posting! If the article crossed over into 'you guys' area and we're not allowed, well excuse me but I chose a "gaming" and "general discussion" thread. It's beyond me to understand why you guys don't think anyone else should have an opinion on anything to do with gaming and that in itself is insulting!

If you do read links when they are posted, you'll see from the Ebay link with the father, he had to defend himself and even managed to have worthwhile discussions on what he was doing.

As I said before, your first comment was inflammatory, your second was not. No one likes to be dismissed in such a rude manner, hence the reaction you got! And as I mentioned in the rest of my article, there is a limited amount of Wii coming in to stores here where I live. People are on the hunt for it and the stores usually get six to ten units at a time. It's sad but true! The game Guitar Hero isn't in short supply yet, but who knows after this week!

I disagree. The activity to me indicates a shill. Here's why.

If you look at the bidding history, the last bidder before the "winning bid" was a bidder with a 0 rating. That would make me suspect the account was created as a shill account.

The other possibility is that pops had second thoughts and had someone shill for him, but now that the story has gotten out he needs to keep it under wraps. This will be an interesting one to watch.

Well, I was just going to say "Holy Sh**", but seeing the comments, I will just say "Damn!".  What some people will pay.

The only name calling that took place that was personal was i called you guys naive for believing the article, as the first few posts reflect. The only insulting that took place was of a web site. I have addressed any issue of my comments being taken as a personal insult and have apologized. Twice.

But if you are personally insulted that i do not like JU, and do not like the fact that posts from that site end up here, then there is little i can say about that. My comments and opinions of that site do not change just because someone takes them personally.

Regardless of if i am right or wrong about Ju it is an opinion. One which you can happily disagree with and one that i am more than willing to discuss.

But the crux of the issue is that offensive language and name calling that ensued was an over reaction to my comments and in no way constructive to either debate. Ok, i understand that cursing is allowed on Ju, fine. But even in that respect just because cursing is allowed did not mean it was the appropriate response, it was still an overreaction. In my opinion.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on many things here. Moving on?



Certainly a possibility and probably what is the case with the 0 feedback bidders. But i find it strange that someone with a feedback of 270 as the winning bidder has, would ruin their name and reputation like this. Perhaps the dad had access to the winners account and did it that way.

It is quite obvious to all that it is not a legit sale, it's a wonder eBay has not removed it, but of course the media attention is to much a free advertisement to pass up.

Another thought, as a seller on eBay do you not have to pay a certain percentage of the final sale value? It has been a while since i sold anything on eBay but i'm sure there is. And further more if you have a Paypal account that is linked with a bank account or credit card eBay can take those sale fees straight from you.

I think the dad might have a bit more to worry about.

Edit - This is taken from the article it self, down where the dad is responding to the questions and reaction this auction has received.



Perhaps he simply could not find the way to officially cancel the auction. But i am still at a lost why someone with a 270 feedback would allow their good name to be dragged through the dirt.

But if you are personally insulted that i do not like JU,

No, that's your opinion if you don't like JU and you're entitled to it neilo. Just insulted that you think we hang out in a toilet! That's an insult to me, so now you know why it was very offensive! Sh-t is sh-t and I've wiped enough bottoms in my lifetime having three kids, and baby sitting others. However, telling someone that what they do and something they enjoy has gone to the toilet....enough said!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on many things here. Moving on?

Yes, we'll agree to disagree, this is getting us no where! See we're not so bad at JU are we? We just stand up for ourselves and take shit from no one!!

So you weren't singling any one person out. You intended to let us all know that we are swimming in the bowl. One could take that to mean that you have called us all turds. Not just one of us... all of us.

JU is just a bunch of fancy technology and servers without its people. With these people though, this is a community. You may not like it, but the guy behind the game you like does. He also likes seeing how well the information contained in these sites gets distributed across the net. I think the technology is pretty cool.

I have a simple solution for you the next time you see a cross posted article come your way. Don't click on it. Then it will be of no bother to you and you won't have to tell us what you don't like about us.

I have no problem with anyone taking a stance for their opinions, in fact i am dismayed at those that do not.

Now i understand the cross posting issue i wont need to bother to voice my opinion as that article (and others) is not here, here being GalCiv2.com. I have no problem with the existence of Ju or your and others rights to use it.

I was of the opinion that you and the others (other cross-posted threads) came to this site (GC2) and leave Ju style threads here purely to "spam". Most of the threads that have come across from Ju are political and religious and again IMHO have no place here on GC2. Yes i know your post was gaming related but the article is so outrageous it fell to the same pile as the others.

John.



MY opinion is that many of the articles from Ju that turn up over here are indeed, worthy of being in the toilet. I guess one could take that as a reflection on the author, but that was not the intent.

I do not like the majority of articles that i have seen come from Ju. I suppose it is wrong for me to label all topics and posters the same as the ones i despise, but you sir did nothing to correct that assumption.

FS and Tex had the right at least to defend themselves as they believed they were being personally insulted. You just jumped on the band wagon without even reading the posts fully. You furthered the offensive language, placed words in my mouth and then done to me what you were defending others from. Insults. You assume alot, not all being correct, as perhaps did i.

At least FS and i have furthered the debate in a constructive way, it is a shame then that all you succeeded in doing was strengthening my opinion.



Now that i understand this cross-posting that is indeed the case.

Your right FS, not all on Ju are bad. Like we agreed, moving on.

At first when I read this, I didn't believe it either. But a quick search revealed too much evidence for me to fully believe it is a false story. There are so many stories I've seen where Australia is mentioned but then turn out to be a complete invention. I'm not so sure in this case.. I don't quite know whether it is a scam, but the Australian who paid for this is absolutely crazy (and not in a good way). As Gid said, this story will bear some watching.