I agree with this. their is a dumb ass law here in Misery (Missouri) that if you start your car and go back into your home, Apt. or leave it running like at a Gas station to go in ..
and a criminal stills it and runs someone over you are at fault not them.
this is just stupid. IF he/she wants it they will take it no matter what.

Minimum wage is a joke in and of itself. What's federal min. wage now? $5.85/hour? How is someone supposed to live off of that? Especially if that someone has a family, medical expenses, etc...

Most min. wage jobs don't offer great benefits. And if they do, how the hell are you supposed to pay for insurance out of a paycheck that is only $234.00 BEFORE taxes ($5.85/hr x 40 hrs.)????

Most people that work for min. wage, probably don't have insurance offered.  Wal-Mart hire most of the people as part time so they didn't have insurance.  And those that did, it was high priced.  I thing I heard on the news that they will start offering insurance to all employees.  But 1 thing that gets me, check the tags/boxes/packages and see where 99% of all the stuff comes from.  China, where everything is tainted with lead.   Hum

Not sure how you can say he has done his best for this country...


...and then say this.


Well that would certainly explain why this country is going down the toilet


There really is no difference between these 2 any longer...Rep/Dem....stupid is as stupid does. They both have people so involved in discussing how ineffective and stupid they are that no ones doing anything about it. How about we all stop paying taxes and take away they're power and incentive to rob us all blind. And how about we make them all work for minimum wage! I mean...since they think it can be done...I think they should do it then...betcha that minimum wage would change tomorrow!

Actually...its not just going down the toilet anymore...I'm starting to hear the giant sucking sound now.

So what do we do about it? Elect a Rep lier or a Dem fool? Is there an independent worth the trouble? And is there ANYONE who's willing to stand up and tell Wal-Fart to buy American, or at east protect my children and get the da@# lead out?

DarkHawkDev I think is this case you could of actually used the word and been okay.   

yes Darn would have been quite acceptable

Quite frankly....Wal-Mart is the least of our problems.

I would much rather see people focusing they're attention towards government and getting someone in there that is not an embarrassment and more than anything not of any religious belief. I've quite had it with this stuff.....it gets us in more trouble than its worth. Believe what you want....worship frogs for all I care...just stay the hell out of government (and stop knocking on my door)...and NO lawyers!

I want someone thats going to start taking care of THIS country and the people that live HERE. For such a supposedly great and powerful country we should have at the very least universal health care for everyone. We're forced to pay outrageous health insurance prices for inferior health care...and some of us can't even consider paying for it.

Those people rarely run for office.  They know they can do more working and doing instead of dealing with buearocracyI disagree with this though.  The problem with the healthcare system is cost.  And most of that cost is due to overpriced schooling (to a lower degree) and medical malpractice insurance costs (to a higher degree).  Legal reform would do more than anything else to improve the system.  I'm also seeing a number of doctors have stopped taking health insurance at all.  They have been able to reduce their staff dramatically (not having to process claims) and have been able to lower their costs and the costs to their cash-only patients.

Vote as much as you can, especially locally.  Send letters to your representative telling them what you want them to do.  Write letters to the newspapers.  Do what you can as often as you can.  That's how things change.

The best way to change anything is to make the solution to a problem profitable.

I work I.T. at a hospital. Here's another one that is ridiculous. A PC which runs a DOS based patient care application has to have all of the hardware government certified. There is nothing at all special about these PC's. They are quite generic.
If a hard drive goes out and you need to replace it you are FORCED to purchase a replacement from specific vendors which will charge unreasonable prices. A 40Gb hard drive would cost several hundred dollars if not a few thousand. You could get the identical part elsewhere for $50.

On the Education cost. Now why is it that you see so many foreign doctors that barely speak English. They get a lot of their education for free whereas our citizens have to struggle for years to pay it back.

It's ALL tied to the almighty $$ as Night Train points out. People a lot farther up the ladder MUST have their 3 vacation homes, yachts, and expensive cars at our expense. Anyone that thinks politicians are going to truly represent the people on the basis of morals will be sadly disappointed in the long run.

It's not so much that the health care is inferior .but more to the fact that the insurance company's restrict the doctors to do the right thing.

Example that was on the news a few years ago
a 4-year-old boy needed leg surgery on both legs to be able to walk right and the Doc. that could do it was in a different State and the insure comp.
stated that it was a not needed surgery (an elective) clam was denied. that is BULL SHIT.. but people got together and raised the money so that he could get the surgery that was NEEDED.

another Example
burn victims and deformity get denied to because the insurance comp. say that it's a cosmetic surgery,

I can see if you chose to go in and have your lips ETC done just to get them bigger.

Hell, but not to give them any ideals why do they cove a broken leg or arm?? wouldn't this fall under cosmetic surgery or elective?

Why???? If not for the wealthy (don't need it anyhow), at least for the mid to low end of the socio-economic scale... then everyone would be able to afford to see a doctor/get medical attention.

We've had it in Oz for donkey's years now... meaning a vagrant who needed anti-biotics could rock up to a hospital and be seen/get treatment... none of that 'got insurance' first.... 'piss off' if you haven't.

Trouble was, because of the 'so-called' free trade agreement, there were arseholes in your country trying to get our arseholes to abolish it. Hopefully, the new government will tell 'em to piss off... Oz is a sovereign state and should not have to kow tow to foreign corporate greed/government interference in our domestic affairs.

Besides, being that things have taken a horrid turn for the worst, mrs starkers would be up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe and crowbar for a paddle... in dire straits if we didn't have public hospitals and universal health care.... all I can say is thank God we don't live in America.

On Universal health insurance, I wouldn't be too assured that the insurance costs would be lower.

With it being Government paid,

(1) the services may be curtailed to cut costs ... this is the US Government we're talking about (Remember Medicare/ Medicaid?),

(2) the services stay the same as present but paying for it brings a new higher tax.

Since the poor still won't pay ... they pay little or no tax ... that leaves everyone else to pay.

Of the about 85% of people with insurance, about 60% get their insurance from their job, which is, in most cases, partly covered by the employer

Only now they are paying full price, since their employer isn't kicking in like they were before ... in some cases almost all the employees premiums. And now it is paid to Uncle Sam instead of direct to the Insurance company.

Oh, and don't forget to add in an extra 10 or 20% to the premium/tax for the good old Gov't red tape.

I'm thinking #2 is more likely.

And I thought our idiots in Canberra couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery... seems your idiots are just as bad, probably worse. If Oz can do it with a piss-farty population that pays considerably less tax than the aggregate of the US, which has vastly greater resources to us, then it should be possible for your gov't to provide universal health care, as does ours.

Get Bush and his cronies to cut the present and future invasion funds so your military isn't squeezing the guts out of Treasury, and you'd have the best possible... second to none health care on the planet. Justify the disappearance of all your hard earned taxes with the preservation of life, rather than the senseless killing of a war machine with an over-inflated budget.

That will be up to the Democratic Congress ... they control the purse strings over here .. but they're not likely to do so, seeing as they haven't so far.

Also they're not exactly what you would call cronies of Bush, they can't stand him for the most part.

Sad, isn't it, that elected officials never grasp what it is the voters actually want...

... they promise to listen, to do this and that, but at the end of the day there is only one agenda self-serving politicians are interested in... their own.

To give an idea of just how low I view them, regardless of which side of the political spectrum, if I saw a politician 'barely' treading water, I'd throw the bastard an anchor.

I'm guessing that'd be the Irish blood in me from way back... being I detest corporate, political and legal establishments with a passion. They've been screwing the little bloke for centuries because the majority of the upper echelon lacks humanity, compassion and have very few... if any redeeming qualities.

what slays me is that they don't let a bill stand on it's own merits. They constantly attach other items that desperately need passed to bills that only serve the interest of a few. It's sneaky, underhanded and plain wrong. There isn't a damn thing " we the people " can do about it either. The polls prove that.

There sure as heck is something we can do. FIRE EM ALL! Revolt! peacefully...   

The system is too corrupt. It's the only way.   

There are always things "we the people" can do. Keep in mind the problems of today did not happen overnight nor can they be fix in a snap of the fingers. "We the people" unfortunately shirked in our duties and responsiblities to get us to this point.

Got to remember the Civics, History and Social Studies classes. I always remember the tests in those classes were the hardest. :NOTSURE: 

Funny thing this comes up...think it was Nostrodamus who predicted revolution in the Land of the Eagle. Trouble is, it won't be peaceful... too many guns on both sides of the fence for there not to be wholesale bloodshed.

Live by the sword, die by the sword... but there's no way a die-hard who 'lives, shits and breathes the right to bear arms/kill or be killed mentality is gonna accept that the attitude is fundamentally flawed... at best perverted, corrupt and evil. The families of the Omaha mall victims wouldn't need any convincing... nor the families of the victims of that idiot who went on a shooting spree at a Colorado church because security asked him to leave.

Nobody will ever convince me that the right to bear arms concept has one iota of sense, not when 'those who have a bad hair day/can just crack' will go on a shooting rampage and kill/maim dozens of innocent people. It might be for different reasons, but the gun play on US and Iraqi streets is not a whole lot different... both situations are insane because people are needlessly dying... and that sickens me to my stomach.

The best thing the American people can do for themselves (and the world) is get rid of satan's butt-plugs at the next election... refuse to vote for any of them and watch the idiots self-implode in a state of panic and confusion.

Without executive orders, the military cannot legally declare war/invade anyone... meaning the pigeons wouldn't then feel the need to come home to roost, as someone once put it, and everyone could stay home and mind their own business... true peace at long last.

Guns are not needed for human violence. Look at what the Australian Parliament has to say about domestic violence in Australia. WWW Link. There is more publicity to violence in US than what goes on in the rest of the world.

that would be good BUT
I am sure their is something there that would let that same prez to just stay in for an 3rd term
yes i know they can only be elected 2 time but if no one was to vote then would he get to stay?


dosen't take a gun to go on a killing rampage and kill/maim dozens of innocent people. it just could take a CAR.
So then would this to be something to take away?

come on son we are going hunting. But dad, guns are out lawed! No son, we are just going to kill them with the family car. LOL

"Dust off and nuke them from space.  It's the only way to be sure."

[woulda' worked in Aliens, too]...;)