Gimme a Break

No Logic to be seen

I guess this is just one of those headline news stories that just makes one want to bang their head against the wall. Ha! Reminds me of trying to instill logic to one of my boys when he was 14-15 after he would make some illogical comment or decision. Instead of talking to the wall, it was easier to bang one's head against it.

I'm talking about the totally inappropriate decision made by the School Board over the Birth Control Issue for the middle school here. Yes, I'm still trying to understand this whole thing. This committee has failed to protect our children. Leading our children to contraception has done nothing but fail our children. Who do they think they're kidding?

I read a quote today from the Associated Press from one who supported the vote. Richard Verrier said: "It's not enough to depend on parents to protect their children because there may be students who can't discuss things with their parents."

Not enough? Did you hear what he said. Parents aren't doing their jobs so the government has to step up and take their place? So putting them on BC is "protecting" them? This should be a wake up call to all parents out there. Watch your schools people!!

Any loving parent of a middle schooler would tell you that anyone encouraging or enabling a child to engage in sexual behavior at this age is not doing their job. But rather than teach, mentor or direct a child AWAY from this activity it's much easier to placate them with BC pills. Who exactly is benefitting here?

So now you have an 11 year old with her pack of pills. Is she going to be thinking she's "protected" now? What are the chances, first of all she will remember even to take this pill daily, and second of all still insist on condoms for STD's? I mean it's hard enough for them to even remember to take their vitamins or brush their teeth.

I really hate the logic behind all this. "well they are going to do it anyway so we should help protect them." Really? Last I knew it was a state law for a child under 14 or 16 to have sex. It's against the law people!!! So aren't we enabling them to break the law? How do we reconcile it's against the law for minors to have sex and giving them birth control to do so? I'm scratching my head here.......it's less painful than banging.

With that logic, I'd like to suggest we put down a big bowl of cigarettes in their homeroom at school and say, "go ahead you're going to do it anyway. Let us help. It's on us. We'll take care of the costs."

How about drugs? Isn't BC a drug? Why not bring in other drugs? How about steroids for the football players? They're taking them anyway. Might as well help them after we instruct them for proper usuage.

As John Stossell says......gimme a break.



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Reply #1 Top
I'm scratching my head here.......it's less painful than banging.


That's kind of funny considering the context here.   

*sigh* As for children...I'm tempted if I ever have any to just homeschool or something. I know I can do an equal or better job than the average teacher these days...even if the teacher's abilities are great, the government appears to be fucking up our education system more and more.

In the future, I might just take over the world...it would be so very, very easy.

~Zoo

Reply #2 Top
In the future zoo, please leave the vulgarity part out ok?

Thanks!

With that said, I agree with you. I think the parent has the best interest of the child in mind. Not the teacher. Some teachers are very fine, I don't want to bash teachers but then there are some that I don't want near my kids. The problem is we don't know sometimes until it's too late. Damage is done.

As far as taking over the world.....well good luck! You can have it.
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In the future zoo, please leave the vulgarity part out ok?


What the %&$* are you talking about?

  

~Zoo
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This just makes me sick. What kind of government goes over the heads of parents in providing fricking BIRTH CONTROL to children?!?!?!?
I mean, college age students, that I could understand. Disagree with, but understand. But the kids you're talking about are babies! Oh, man, I totally agree with you on this one. I might homeschool, too. Even if it leaves my kid a little broken, socially.
Reply #5 Top
parents are going to become baby factories.


we need new babies for the next gen.


we need new babies for stem cell research.


i hope you liberal ladies are happy now.
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What kind of government goes over the heads of parents in providing fricking BIRTH CONTROL to children?!?!?!?


Our government.

Oh Big Brother, where art thou?

~Zoo
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So is the issue just the ages this is being offered to?  I am sure this is being offered because there is a need among the 14 year olds who are sexually active.  Unfortunately many parents would rather pretend that their child is "innocent" than deal with the reality that they might already be having sex.  Just because you were a loving, caring, concerned parent, doesn't mean that there aren't other parents who don't even know who their child's best friend is let alone their level of sexual experimentation. 

Saying don't do it, doesn't work.  95% of Americans have sex before marriage.  So honestly those who abstain until marriage are the exception.  The answer is to educate them about making smart sexual choices.  They need to know the consequences of choosing to have sex such as STD's and unplanned pregnancies not to mention the emotional turmoil that can come with making an adult decision when you are an adolescent.  They should also be taught about what birth control methods are available, their reliability and exactly what they are protecting you from, STD's or pregnancy or both.   I do think a later the age is for the first sexual experience is better both physically and emotionally but we are sexual beings. 

For the record though I do think this is way too young. 

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Saying don't do it, doesn't work.

Correction: Does not ALWAYS work.

But again, I will say there is a deffinite difference between acknowledging you cant stop all instances of a crime (it is a crime, you know that right?), and abetting the crime.

This is a case where they have decided that since they cannot erradicate it, they are going to abet it.  And that should be a crime in itself.

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Correction: Does not ALWAYS work.


It may delay the first sexual experience but statistics show only 1 out of 20 Americans "wait until they're married". So I guess you're right, it worked for that one person.
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1 out of 20 Americans wait until they're married. But that doesn't mean only 1 out of 20 14 year olds are waiting 'til they're out of middle school. If the small minority wants protection, they can get it somewhere else. Pay for it themselves.
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Well in our case here, two out of three of my children made a decision to "abstain." So it can work. They are telling us otherwise and we are falling for their lies. I know quite a few young people who are "abstainiing" but it's not news worthy.

I've been to two weddings lately where the two couples waited until marriage. This can be done. It used to be the norm. What has changed here? Have we just given in and given up and lowered the bar for our kids?

For those of us trying to instill abstinence in our children, we are not getting any help from the schools, media or government and it's becoming increasingly difficult to instruct our kids when these other sources are talking over our heads.

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I'm sorry, KFC, I can't hear you over the offers of condoms to my 2 year old.
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It may delay the first sexual experience but statistics show only 1 out of 20 Americans "wait until they're married". So I guess you're right, it worked for that one person.


Loca, I think you are mixing too many ideas at once. "statistics show only 1 out of 20 Americans" does not specify children age 14. This applies to anyone.

I am curious about 1 thing though. How does this pill get distributed? Do the girls who plan on having sex go to the nurse and ask for them? Are they given to every single girl in school right of the bat? I have to wonder since I can't imagine a 14 year old going to the nurse saying "I'm thinking of having sex, can I get some pills?" or I can't imagine a girl looking at her new pack of pills and say "well i got this maybe I should do it". Even worse, if it's neither above then when will these girls get it, after they are pregnant? What's the point? I don't get it. How can anyone think giving these pills to a bunch of middle school girls is anything but irresponsible? I can think of several reasons why not to do this:

Overdose
selling them
forgetting to take them
side effects
choking
incentive to have sex

It almost makes me hope for a nuclear explosion to destroy the entire country just to spare the people of this country from a slow destruction from the stupidity that is the Gov't of this nation.
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It may delay the first sexual experience but statistics show only 1 out of 20 Americans "wait until they're married". So I guess you're right, it worked for that one person.


ONe out of 20 is not one person. It is about 15 million. Learn to read statistics correctly.
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Well in our case here, two out of three of my children made a decision to "abstain." So it can work. They are telling us otherwise and we are falling for their lies. I know quite a few young people who are "abstainiing" but it's not news worthy.


KFC, did your other son tell you he wasn't waiting until marriage, or did you find out when his girlfriend was pregnant? How do you know your other kids are telling you the truth? And what did you do differently with the third -- why did he choose to have have pre-martial sex despite your moral, religious and ethical teachings against it? Do you believe that more sex education and knowledge could have prevented the pregnacy? And finally, from your blog I can tell that Ethan is very dear to you -- how do you reconcile that God rewarded your son and your family with a marvelous little miracle after your son so gravely sinned (your belief, not mine)?

While I think that birth control in middle school might be over the line, I think that sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like teaching abstainance is the cure is, frankly, silly. I mean, it didn't even work for your own kids (67% success rate is still a D) -- so what makes you think it will work for anyone else's?
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"how do you reconcile that God rewarded your son and your family with a marvelous little miracle after your son so gravely sinned (your belief, not mine)?"

The kid's never the punishment, at least not directly. The punishment part is a dimished ministry in this area and no leg to stand on when telling your kid they should wait. Doh!

Regardless, it's not nearly the same argument when you get to high school and college as it is with middle school kids.
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ONe out of 20 is not one person. It is about 15 million. Learn to read statistics correctly.


So sorry, I will spell it out this time. It worked for that one person out of twenty. Did I state one person out of 260 million? Nope, didn't think so. I thought that was pretty clear but I guess not.
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So sorry, I will spell it out this time. It worked for that one person out of twenty. Did I state one person out of 260 million? Nope, didn't think so. I thought that was pretty clear but I guess not.


Nope, you did not say out of 260 million (the correct figure is 300 million0, but you did say "one person" which indicates you did not extrapolate or think beyond that "one in" number.

And as others have pointed out better than I did, that 1 in 20 includes everyone - inluding those never married, or married late in life (like 30 or later), not the number of 14 year olds (or younger) doing the horizontal dance.
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But with so many parents refusing to face facts themselves, educating and preparing their children for something 95% of them are going to do, (while convincing themselves that THEIR precious bundles of joy will be among the 5% who don't) I can see why it's become necessary.


While I can see, understand and agree with your point, I still can not accept the idea of giving drugs to a child without the parents consent. I waited till I was 18 before I had my first experience. I did wanna wait till marriage but seeing as how I had very bad luck with girls back then I found myself jumping the gun when the opportunity presented itself, probably for fear the chance may never present itself again. Of course I was acting out of a child's mentality, I see things very differently now a days.

I think it's a shame that our society has reached such a level of laziness, irresponsibility and ignorance that we need to have universal, 1 size fits all protection just to keep our race from extinguishing itself.
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Males aged 18-59 reporting first sexual intercourse before age 15= 15% 45 million
Females aged 18-59 reporting first sexual intercourse before age 15 =6% 18 million


Hmmm, This statistic suggests two possibilities. Either the underage males are having sex with older gals or the under 15 gals are taking more than one V-Cards from the boys (3 to 1)?

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KFC, did your other son tell you he wasn't waiting until marriage,


no he didn't but the other two have verbalized this. My youngest and his bride to be are wearing purity rings. These rings serve as a reminder of what a great wedding night my son and new wife will have. They will formally give them up in a ceremony at the wedding.

how do you reconcile that God rewarded your son and your family with a marvelous little miracle after your son so gravely sinned (your belief, not mine)?


many children are born healthy and beautiful as a result of their parent's sins. No diff here. My son has not acknowledged Christ as his Lord. The other two have and do their best to live it. That's the difference.

And it's not over yet. When you plant something, it takes a while to reap the fruit of what you've planted. It doesn't happen overnight.

I've seen a big difference just in my own family of neices and nephews paying the price for their parents mistakes. None of them haven taken the purity vow. So that's 0%. Instead all of my sons' young cousins are either involved in dope, alcohol or premarital sex. It's sad. Of course, I don't want that for Ethan.

It may take a while, and I hope Ethan isn't going to be like his second cousins, but if my middle son continues in the way he is now, his son may pay the price eventually growing up with the same thought patterns. I pray not.

I think that sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like teaching abstainance is the cure is, frankly, silly. I mean, it didn't even work for your own kids (67% success rate is still a D) -- so what makes you think it will work for anyone else's?


First of all 67% is quite high in today's standards especially given the 5% figure Loca has come up with. So obviously training at home does make a difference.

Second of all, if you were going to go by the families that teach abstinence and those that don't you would see that abstinence does work. Sex after marriage is much higher in Christian kids living their faith than the average kids with no faith.

In fact, in a few test cases around the country abstinence education has proven itself to be very successful, something not advertised too much in the secular media. There's no way we are going to ever get 100% but it does work. For one thing it lets the kids off the hook. They don't have to give into the pressure that's all around them. They are given answers and support for their decision to abstain.





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Males aged 18-59 reporting first sexual intercourse before age 18 = 55%, or 165 million.

Females aged 18-59 reporting first sexual intercourse before age 18 = 43%, or 129 million.

Total: 98%, (so if Loca's 1 out of 95% figure is accurate, we'll assume that 3% of these minors are married.)

Still, that leaves 285 million people (95% of our population) who have engaged in sexual intercourse before they were of legal age to do so in most states. (What shall we do, lock them up?)




sorry there are not 300 million women in this country. sorry there are not 300 million men in this country. sorry there are not 300 million people in this country over 13.

there are only 300 million people in this country. so your numbers are off by at least double what they should say.
Reply #23 Top
Thanks Daniel, good point.

165 Million + 129 Million = 294 Million / 2 = 147 Million

So about 50%.

Like I said, the high school/college argument is a little different than the middle school argument.
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I was quoting the figures cited as a percentage of the population, daniel, a figure brought into the discussion by the DoN,


Better recheck your reading skills. I merely applied "1 in 20" to 300 million. I do not vouch for the accuracy of the numbers, only the validity of the math.
Reply #25 Top
Gimme a Break


Gimme a break of that Kit-Kat Bar...

I had to do it...



~Zoo