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Al Gore, We're listening now

Al Gore, We're listening now

As I logged in, I wasn't too surprised to see that you Joes are already talking about this. Well dangit, I want to talk about it too.

A couple days ago as I was trying to make sense of the pile-o-everything that's always accumulating on our computer desk, I noticed a couple DVDs that John rented the night before. Garfield's Holiday Celebration (yes, the orange Cat) and then something called An Inconvenient Truth. I didn't think much of either, maybe because I doubted that anyone who comes home from Blockbuster with a Garfield cartoon could have anything significant on his mind. I did, however, notice on the cover of An Inconvenient Truth that Roger Ebert said, "In 39 years, I have never written these words in a movie review, but here they are. You owe it to yourself to see this film."

The next day my random internetting informed me that Al Gore (haha, I just typo-ed, "Bore" twice before I finally found the G key) ...that Al Gore had just been announced as the winner of the latest Nobel Peace Prize. In my own little corner of the world I wondered how my husband had the foresight to rent Gore's DVD the day before the Nobel Prize was announced, but it was just a coincidence.

My interest was piqued to find out what Al Gore had to say that was worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize, so I had no problem agreeing to watch the movie with my hubby this evening. I'm pretty picky about movies.

I must say that was a damn good movie. I found it absolutely riveting, educational, fascinating, eye-opening, and Mr. Gore even made it entertaining.

My childlike mind jumps to one part in particular: With a happy little cartoon frog, Al illustrates his point that the general population doesn't notice Global Warming because it's so gradual. We see the animated frog jump into a pot of boiling water and immediately jump back out because the water's dang hot. Smart li'l froggie. Then we see the same frog jump into a pot of lukewarm water and he sits there complacently, unaware that it's gradually begun to boil. He probably won't notice he's in trouble until it's too late to jump out. But Mr. Gore doesn't want that frog to boil. In the knick of time, the hand of a knowledgeable and forward-thinking person pulls that frog out of the hot water.

Al is simply urging mankind to use our own knowledge and resources to save ourselves in the knick of time.

So Gore's compelling speech has spurred me into a more globally-conscious, energy-efficient mindset.

In my little la-la land I come up with ways I can do my part to help the environment. For example, I'm just dying to overhaul our Ford Freestyle's engine into a more environmentally-friendly fuel cell. (We bought that car without doing any research at all. It was simply "bigger" than the car we'd been driving, and had room for more people and big stuff. We weren't even thinking about fuel efficiency.) Now if we were to overhaul that Ford's engine into a fuel cell, we'd need hydrogen for fuel. For lack of hydrogen filling stations around here, we could make our own hydrogen at home with shredded aluminum foil and Drain-O! Oh yeah baby. With my hubby the chemistry junkie and me the globally-aware wife, we could have some fun. (And we'd probably need life-happens with her fix-it prowess to help tear our car apart and put it back together.) OK, I'm only joking a little bit. I'm not mocking global warming. I AM serious about fuel cell vehicles. I really think vehicles should be run on hydrogen. Can you imagine the only byproduct of vehicle fuel being water vapor? With less CO2 being trapped in the atmosphere, the global warming trend could be slowed or reversed.

But we'll start by taping plastic around our widow frames and buying some of those nifty spiral light bulbs. It's a start.

Al Gore's movie really makes me long to know, if in a parallel universe he had won the Presidency instead of Bush 1 or Bush 2, what the world would be like today. I think Gore would have focused on improving the world. I wonder how he would have responded to the 9/11 attack? Would he have waged this War on Terrorism? Would there be troops in Iraq? Would Sadaam have been captured? Good and bad things have come from Bush's administration. In my current optimistic mindset, and having just watched An Inconvenient Truth, I can only imagine that good things would have come from Gore had he been elected President.
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Reply #26 Top
actually Christ said not to worry about it.


oh, I'm not worried. I'm ready. I'm His.



Reply #27 Top
Boy did this thread get highjacked!
Reply #28 Top
it just shows how much we are listening to that idiot al gore.
Reply #29 Top
it just shows how much we are listening to that idiot al gore.


Gore was and is a robot. He is just now being used by the GW activists.

However I will give some credit to the Enviromental activists. Some of you know I just came back from Kyrgyzstan. Boy was I thankful we have emission laws.

Reply #30 Top
it just shows how much we are listening to that idiot al gore.


Al Gore might be many things but an idiot is not one of them. Resorting to these kinds of puerile insults actually has the reverse effect.
Reply #31 Top
Al Gore might be many things but an idiot is not one of them.


are we talking about the same al gore. the one that invented the INTERNET when he was under 16. you know the one that was invented by the military.

or are we talking about the al gore that used his office to collect campaign money which was against the law. when he got caught he claimed he was innocent because he only collected 6 dollars. is this the same idiot al gore that we are talking about.
Reply #32 Top
I don't know what you're referring to about Gore inventing the internet. And I certainly don't know much about Gore's campaign monies. It he has said or done these things, again I will contest it doesn't make him an idiot but a fraud and a liar. Are you sure you know the definition of idiot?
Reply #33 Top
Are you sure you know the definition of idiot?


your right he isn't an idiot the people who follow him blindly are.


of course that can be said of anyone following anyone blindly. except god.
Reply #34 Top

In regards to this whole global warming schtick, I can speak to what I've witnessed personally. I live up pretty close to the polar bears, and let me tell you they could definitely be extinct in another 30 years or so. This isn't idle conjecture but hard fact that they are indeed dying off, whether or not global warming is man made or not it is hapenning and if it continues it will seriously mess up our way of life. I've personally seen polar bears dead from starvation, because the sea ice is receding so much they can't get out far enough to feed on seals and if they do they will quite often drown because of the distance they have to swim back. This isn't crying doomsday, but up here doomsday is starting to happen for the Inuit. Last year northern arctic islands experienced rain in february. The Inuktitut who witnessed this were speechless, and these are people who come from a culture in which everything is passed down verbally and has been for thousands of years. What this means is that they have no recollection of ever encountering weather patterns like what they are seeing now, which should kind of set off some warning bells.

I will distill my belief on global warming into this:

I am shocked and dismayed that people continue to play politics with Global Warming. It is not something that is "left" or "right", or being fabricated by socialist enviro-hippies who just want to steal your money and win elections. Al Gore could be the dumbest man on the planet but that doesn't change one bit the fact that global warming is real, and it is here. And Al Gore isn't the only person to try and raise the flags warning about this- the scientific community has been trying to do this in earnest since the 1980's. For every paper arguing that global warming doesn't exist or is just a natural phenomena, there are literally thousands of papers screaming the opposite. Why do you think most of the nations on the planet (with the exception of the US of course) acknowledge that global warming is real and is caused by humans? Because there is more than 30 years of dedicated scientific study that went into that conclusion, by scientists from all over the world working on it. Many of the papers arguing against global warming were either

A) Funded, either directly or indirectly by oil conglomerates and political think tanks

B) Written by scientists as a PR stunt, people who wanted to make a name for themselves so that they could then make a lot of money. By trying to disprove something that has been studied exhaustively since the 70's this works wonders for their careers because whether or not their paper actually holds water they then get the attention of oil companies and political lobbying groups, then their funding is secure.

In my opinion the next 10 to 20 years are critical in doing all we can to at least reduce the impact of the coming storm. But unfortunately I think too many people will continue to see this as a "liberal action issue" or something that would be bad for the economy to try and implement change. Sadly I fear that people will argue right up to the end that this is something that they believe is just a scam being run for political purposes, while the planet slowly dies around them.
Reply #35 Top
Artyism -

You're wrong about what people are saying. Very few people dispute that global warming is currently occurring. The rub is the "cause" - I personally think it is a supreme conceipt to believe that 1) man (in particular, the United States "man") has contributed to it in any significant way, and 2) that man (in particular, the United States "man") can have a knowing & meaningful corrective influence. The fact is anything we do or don't do is a crap shoot and playing at the very thin margins of the problem. Forces we can't begin to alter have far more influence on the pattern of cyclic global warming & cooling that has been going on for millions of years and will continue for millions of years long after our species is history.
Reply #36 Top
live up pretty close to the polar bears, and let me tell you they could definitely be extinct in another 30 years or so. This isn't idle conjecture but hard fact that they are indeed dying off, whether or not global warming is man made or not it is happening and if it continues it will seriously mess up our way of life. I've personally seen polar bears dead from starvation,




in 1960 polar bears numbered 5000. today the number is around 30,000. what you might be seeing is just nature trying to bring the bear population down. so that its prey can recover.


as for the ice melting. during the last ice age. the arctic ocean was mostly ice free. why, because the gulf stream was flowing into the arctic ocean. lots of hot water little ice.

with the sea levels rising the gulf stream is creeping closer and closer to the arctic ocean.
Reply #37 Top
people continue to play politics with Global Warming



global warming is nothing but politics.

Gore could be the dumbest man on the planet but that doesn't change one bit the fact that global warming is real,


i don't think anyone is arguing against global warming. but we do not think that it is all being caused by man. and if you think it is then explain the global warming going on on mars and Pluto.

Why do you think most of the nations on the planet (with the exception of the US of course) acknowledge that global warming is real and is caused by humans?


because the Kyoto accords are only designed to slow down the USAs economic growth so that the rest of the planet can catch up.

during the 2000 recession however long it lasted. Europe was economically at a peak. the usa's economy still out grew theirs.
Reply #38 Top
your right he isn't an idiot the people who follow him blindly are.


of course that can be said of anyone following anyone blindly. except god


Daniel, you crack me up. If you can't add to an adult debate, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.

Artysim,

It is really sad to hear this about the polar bears. I also recently heard about the Walrus populations landing on the northwest coast of Alaska because of disappearing ice packs. Read more about it here

I agree with you about this issue being non-political. When are people going to get it in their heads this has nothing to do with politics or blame but with the future survival of this planet.

the Kyoto accords are only designed to slow down the USAs economic growth so that the rest of the planet can catch up.


What! I can't believe you've turned this into a 'USA against the rest of the world' discussion. How do you then explain the motives of the other nations who didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol?

Reply #39 Top
Daniel, you crack me up. If you can't add to an adult debate, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.




maybe instead of my shutting up. you should since it seems that you want to control me.
Reply #40 Top
Al Gore might be many things but an idiot is not one of them. Resorting to these kinds of puerile insults actually has the reverse effect.


I agree - and that is what makes him more dangerous. He has an agenda - and it is not GW, but POWER. He is just using GW to build his base.
Reply #41 Top
in 1960 polar bears numbered 5000. today the number is around 30,000. what you might be seeing is just nature trying to bring the bear population down. so that its prey can recover.


as for the ice melting. during the last ice age. the arctic ocean was mostly ice free. why, because the gulf stream was flowing into the arctic ocean. lots of hot water little ice.

with the sea levels rising the gulf stream is creeping closer and closer to the arctic ocean.


Danielost, I know of the survey of which you speak. And first off, official estimates do not put today's population at 30,000 but more somewhere between 20-25,000 and shrinking. Back in the late 60's and early 70's a small number of white men who knew nothing about the north clambered aboard a small number of planes and flew around the arctic for a short period of time. They had no infrared instruments, just a few pairs of binnoculars, looking for a white animal walking around on white tundra (REAL easy to spot, right?) They managed to see a few polar bears and then basically guessed from the numbers they saw how many polar bears "theoretically" existed. They had no solid formulas to calculate this number, nor did they really stop to consult with the Inuit who regularly travelled the land and could have given them a much better idea. They basically came up with a number that they all said "well, sounds good to me, lez get outta here!" Truth is, that survey from which you're quoting didn't say that there were 5000 polar bears. The actual estimate was between 5,000 to 25,000 because they readily admitted that for the small number of people flying around the arctic (I can't emphasize how fricking huge it is, including sea ice growth it's massive) they admitted that they had no way of accurately measuring how many there really were.

That said, I do know several inuit hunters who actually do go and hunt polar bears, and their parents and parent's parents did too down through the generations. I've spent time in several of the arctic communities where these hunters live and talked to them exhaustively about this very subject. They are scared shitless. This is not some natural life-cycle correction, the polar bears are definitely dying off and they are in far more danger than the inuit can ever remember, far worse than than anyone in this generation or the previous generations that have passed their knowledge down. What is happenning is all the polar bears are leaving their natural habitat because they can no longer survive in it- some are moving south and trying to find food on the land, which they don't know how to do as they have lived off of seals in the water their entire lives. Some are moving way north of where they normally live- polar bears don't tend to go much further than the southern areas of Ellesmere island but are migrating to progressively higher areas of the arctic where sea ice hasn't been so terribly affected yet. But migrating out of their traditional habitats are opening up all kinds of problems for them, and whether or not they can readily survive is questionable at best.

And lastly the ones that are staying in their normal areas are definitely dying off. What they're doing now is something they rarely ever did before- they're hanging around communities and trying to get into people's garbage, because they literally can't get food anywhere else. I know this because I have seen this with my own eyes. If you want to believe the propaganda that is spewed on the mainstream media, that is your choice.
Reply #42 Top
what ever


your still not taking into account the natural dance between prey and predator. when prey goes up predators go up. when prey goes down predators go down.

and again during the ice ages the arctic ocean is nearly ice free because the gulf stream(you know that hot river in the Atlantic that keeps Europe from freezing) is flowing freely into the arctic.


Utah used to have a tropical rain forest. Utah was never near the tropics.


and again the co2 lvl were higher when the dinosaurs were alive than they are now. oxygen lvls were slightly higher too.


now tell me if the only thing that is causing the co2 lvls to be as high as they are now is man. how did we cause them to be high 200,000,000 years ago.


and tell me how are we causing global warming on mars and Pluto
Reply #43 Top
you want to control me.


I'm sorry if you think like that. Simply put, you weren't adding anything to the discussion except insults which is not the way to stimulate intelligent adult discussion.

what ever


See what I mean...

Doc,

I really don't know what agenda Al Gore has. I just know if it weren't for him, many people wouldn't be aware of the global warming issue.

Reply #44 Top
SO WHAT the earth is warmed up a slight percentage of degrees?
So what? Sure I understand the need for everyone to be good stewards of the earth and each do their part in their own way, but I simply don't get why the big hoopla over it. In 30 years we'll be experiencing global cooling again like we were from when then Pres. Jimmy Carter told us to put an extra sweater on.

Reply #45 Top
Lulapilgrim,

SO WHAT the earth is warmed up a slight percentage of degrees?


What a wonderfully Christian attitude you have. Try living with the fact that the only major river system in your neck of the woods is almost gone. Try living with the fact of soaring vegetable and meat prices. Try living with the extinction of animal and plant species. Try living with all this and then see if you can say SO WHAT.
Reply #46 Top
but I simply don't get why the big hoopla over it.


I don't either. It's a theory. It's run by a bunch of politicians who if they really beieved it would live like they did. Obviously they don't buy it either...but it sells.

Today's news:

Meteorologist: Humans Not to Blame for Global Warming

He says warming of the earth occurs naturally.

One of the world’s foremost meteorologists, Dr. William Gray, has joined the scientific dissent, calling global warming a theory of “people who don’t understand how the atmosphere works.”

At a packed lecture hall in North Carolina, the 78-year-old Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, said humans are not responsible for the warming of the earth. Instead, it occurs naturally through ocean cycles.



Richard John Neuhaus with the Cornwall Alliance, said: “There are many meteorologists, climatologists, people who have been following this for years and years, who are very skeptical about some of the inflated and reckless claims made about global warming."
WWW Link
Reply #47 Top
I really don't know what agenda Al Gore has. I just know if it weren't for him, many people wouldn't be aware of the global warming issue.


i don't know about many people but i have been hearing about long before i even knew there was an al gore. except then we were worried about an ice age.
Reply #48 Top
KFC,

Try typing Dr. Gray into Wikipedia and see what comes up. The fact is, he doesn't deny global warming, just that he believes it isn't man-made.

It's run by a bunch of politicians


So politicians are destroying Australia's agriculture, river systems, etc., are they? Wow, these politicians are a lot more powerful than I thought. They can control the weather... What a load of rubbish!
Reply #49 Top
(Citizen)dynamaso




i guess you forgot about the big 2yk scare.


i was laughing about that one for about 5 years.


guess what the world didn't end then. it didn't end in 1900. it didn't end in 1800. every 1000 years everyone starts screaming the end of the world. the only difference with this one is the government was screaming too.
Reply #50 Top
Try living with the fact that the only major river system in your neck of the woods is almost gone. Try living with the fact of soaring vegetable and meat prices. Try living with the extinction of animal and plant species. Try living with all this and then see if you can say SO WHAT.


Are these all directly caused because the earth warmed up a little bit of a percent over the past few decades?