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Does a Welfare State Encourage Poor Customer Service?

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Does a Welfare State Encourage Poor Customer Service?

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I was headed back from a late day at work, and decided to stop at Taco Bell because I had a short window of time before I needed to be at the school. I placed my order and waited in line 20 minutes, something I've come to expect.

After 20 minutes, when I got to the window, they still hadn't assembled the order. They were arguing about what should be in it when it was right there on the stinking ticket. I had ordered a chicken quesadilla "value meal".

Well, after they finally gave me the order I opened the bag to find my "quesadilla" was a wad of tortilla, STEAK, and a cheese like substance. Any resemblance between it and an actual quesadilla (even of the Taco Bell variety) was purely imaginary.

That got me to thinking about the possible connection between poor customer service and a welfare society. What incentive do these workers have to succeed? Nothing. Basically, they've been taught their whole lives that if they fail all they need to do is play the victim and someone will show up with a check. And they work in an economy so desperate for work they employ these useless bums, who otherwise might be begging change on an interstate onramp somewhere.

I believe that this is one of the most compelling reasons to do away with government welfare programs. Experience tells us that when people truly need to find a way to survive, they find a way. But when people get a "free lunch", they content themselves with the free lunch and seldom try to better themselves.

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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
disconnect em from the net (easy enuff...and that's the least lil thing you could do to help those sharing your connection to focus on their work)


UNfortunately, kingbee, Internet connection is kind of important when your main job is troubleshooting Internet connectivity!
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
Did you say you were or weren't racist? I find a great deal of the crap spewn here about black people pretty funny.


Actually, cityguy, YOU would be the racist, because NOT ONCE, in the article, or ANY of my replies, did I mention the RACE of the people I was complaining about. YOU assumed they were black; what does that say about YOU?

For the record, cityguy, the people who inspired this article, at least, were NOT black. My anime watching coworkers are NOT minorities. The ONE coworker in the tech department that consistently DOES her job, is actually a minority. So that shoots your theory down, and it shoots it down cold.

Don't EVER fucking come on my thread and accuse me of racism when you don't have the material to back it up! Got it?
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
to the others BESIDES cityguy, on both sides: I'm enjoying the discourse.
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

Where I grew up, there were many poor people on welfare, BUT NO ONE WANTED TO BE.

Actually, I've seen people turn down fairly lucrative jobs because they'd rather draw welfare. But I suppose you'll call me racist for saying that, even though I've seen people of all races with this trait!

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, honey, that would be me.


Well, look at the facts, LW.

I describe crappy customer service, and cityguy automatically sees a black person and uses it to assume that I am racist. Why did he automatically see a black person, is my question.

The laughable, hysterical thing is that these morons that inspired this article werre (drum roll please)...WHITE! But because I wrote an article about lousy service, cityguy assumed I MUST be talking about black people. What does that say about HIM?
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
I describe crappy customer service, and cityguy automatically sees a black person and uses it to assume that I am racist. Why did he automatically see a black person, is my question.


Hey Gid, you are totally right. I attributed a comment to you that was not yours. I apologize, will you accept that from me. For the record, I didn't call you a racist, I asked you what you were.

It was actually LWs comment. I meant no ill from it. I didn't think you would go four letter word on me. Even directing that at LW, I may not agree with her, but have nothing but respect from her. Sorry this offended you.
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Welfare encouraging laziness is different than welfare MAKING people lazy, Tova. HUGELY different. The fact is, we are creatures of convenience. All of us, every single one, will choose the path of least resistance to get the things we desire. It's why obesity is so epidemic in our country. The idea of walking two blocks has become repugnant.


Yeah I can get behind this...its essentially what I was saying, though obviously not well.

Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sorry this offended you.


Apology accepted.

I didn't think you would go four letter word on me


Well, you need to see things from my perspective, cityguy. It is actually quite annoying when allegations of racism are strewn about everytime criticism of the welfare state is lodged. This inherently would seem to imply that welfare is viewed even by the liberal camp, as being a program for minorities.

You're right when you say that worthless bum-ism would be as prevalant among whites as among other races. But until we seriously ask ourselves WHY we're not going to make any progress in eradicating it.

I believe part of the answer can be seen in history. When welfare (relief) was first implemented, it included government work programs that helped people get back on their feet. Yes, it was imperfect, yes, a lot of graft and corruption was endemic (and there's plenty in our current welfare system, believe me!), but it was an attempt to deal with a very dire time in American history.

When the sense of entitlement began, under the Great Society, is when I believe it started to go downhill. The whole idea of getting something for nothing had a lot of appeal, and even though the government has taken strides in the last dozen years to reduce that, there still are a million ways to exploit the rules.

In continuing on this discussion, let's realize that when I'm talking about the problems with welfare, the problems I'm describing have nothing whatsoever, in my opinion, to do with race. As for others on this thread, well, I can't speak for them.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
Keep up the good work, you came in new (to me anyways) and your first order of the day was to make enemies.


No my first order of the day was to post a comment on this article about what I thought and think is a totally irrational and disconnected "argument". So irrational in fact I think its very funny. Your first order of the day was to deliver a personal attack with a side order of completely random liberal bashing rants that made no sense and did little more than demonstrate your obvious hatred for a left of center political idealogy.

And if this is all it takes for you to deem someone an "enemy", some laughable comments about a chicken quesadilla value meal, then you must be living out a highly threatened existence. No wonder you're such a serious minded chap.

And they say Bush is an idiot.


In their hundreds of millions and all around the world, yes they do.

Then I always wonder how come is it that those who claim not to care always have to have the last word?


It doesn't surprise me that you should be so confused by this one. But as much as this might come as a shock to you Charles, OTHER people have opinions too. It is possible to both simultaneously respond to anothers abuse and distortion while not caring about their particular personal opinion. I would have thought this goes without saying but clearly you seem to think yours is the only opinion here that counts.

That said this will be my final word on the matter. So feel free to box my shadow. Just dont take it too seriously though, it is only my shadow.