Be Yourself

With palms together,

Good Morning Everyone,



We try to be such good parents. We try to be such good people. Yet, in this process we can sure seem to make a mess of things. Doing the right thing is always a tricky issue. The right thing, how measured? Unless we take a completely dogmatic and rigid view, and maintain a synchronous behavior with that view, we are open to our children (and others) pointing the hypocrite finger at us.



Yet, authentic and intelligent living demands we grapple with what no longer feels comfortable. Nothing is, as the black and white thinkers believe, "cut and dried." Such struggle is, I believe, the Infinite's Way of waking us up, yet others might see it as the Devil's hand stirring the cauldron.



Its great to take our children to church or synagogue or a Zen center, but what if while there, our own authenticity is challenged?



I repeat the prayers or the sutras and don't believe a word, then what?



My sense is that its not the prayer that is the issue, but more a question of how we understand the prayer. A prayer without understanding is a false god. Therefore, it is essential that we get some realization of ourselves, the prayer, and the process. It is this that creates much messiness.



Our children and the child-like fundamentalist, true believers around us approach religious practice as if it were a formula. The bible or sutra book becomes a cookbook for successful entry into heaven or Nirvana. Big problem here as it has the practitioner relying on the words.



Sutras and bibles point, they are not the things themselves. It is our practice of what is being taught that is essential and transformative. yet this is such a challenge for everyone. We are all at so very different places on the authenticity spectrum. Some of us are open, some eschew that very same openness., Some need a stick on the shoulders, others a gentle nudge. Some should throw away their bibles and go off into the wilderness, just as sages of our entire human history have done. What we all need to do, is understand what we are doing and the aim of the practice itself.



There is no recipe. There is no cookbook. Children do not have to go with us, nor we with them. But if we do walk together, each must understand there are levels of awareness; levels of appreciation; and levels of authenticity. The struggle to bring things together is the path itself.



So, let me be clear. If you think God is in that bible, burn it. It you think God is in that ark, open it and realize the truth. And if you meet the Buddha on the highway, please kill him.



Begin with practice, not ideals or beliefs. Practice is the rock, the foundation, as what we know is always subject to our experience and is thus constantly evolving.



Be well.
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Basically you're talking about addiction to icons.

It reminds me of a Cheech and Chong routine I heard once. It was a "Man on the Street" interview type thing, and the line I've always remembered that seems so true, even from a couple of guys like those two, was "You know, before - I was all messed up on drugs. But since I found the Lord, now I'm all messed up on the Lord."
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Begin with practice, not ideals or beliefs.


Good Day So Daiho,

It seems to me that belief precedes practice. Certainly, you believe the Buddha system before you practiced it. Just a thought.   


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Dear Ock, yeppers messed up is messed up.

Hello Lulapilgrim,

Not so. If belief precedes practice, practice will yield skewed results, distorted by our belief. This is why a certain amount of ojectivity or willingness to set aside self is so critical in spiritual inquiry. I do not "believe in" the Buddha or the "Buddha system." I do have faith in the practice of the Buddha's way. These are very different things.

Be well.

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Certainly, you believe the Buddha system before you practiced it.


Do you see that I didn't say "believe in"?

One must believe (have faith) before one can practice or act.
The way I look at it is....Take a child learning to swim or ride a bicycle..they must first believe they can before they actually practice or act...
Reply #5 Top
Begin with practice, not ideals or beliefs.



I would have to say it all starts with a thought. Right thinking precedes right living. Only then will we be able to practice.

I don't do works or practice anything for just that sake alone. I work or practice my faith (love in action) because I love God and I want to please him.
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Hey there, Luli, I saw that. Yes, having faith in a practice is necessary. But that is NOT a belief, as in part of a belief system. These are very different. From your practice arises your discoveries.

KFC, Change "thought" to "aim" and perhaps we have agreement. My sense is that right understanding comes first, then thought, feeling and behavior. If you practiced love for its sake, your practice would be pure. To practice for the sake of pleasing, is a practice where in the thought of pleasing resides a self that takes one away from the Infinite.

You should not want to please God, just please Him.

Be well.
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You should not want to please God, just please Him.


hahahah that too.

Actually a better way to put that would be "my desire" is to please God so that's what I go about and do. I understand why I'm here and what my purpose in life is. At least that's my goal in life. I fall short in doing so, but that's my desire and I go about trying to please God.

When God says he'll give us the desires of our heart I believe that means when our desire is in in line with his desire for our lives. My desire is to love and follow God. Only then will I truly be able to love others.



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As we desire something we have a something in mind. This thing in mind is always a perfection, so to speak. We will always fall short in such a case. Better to not desire to love, just love. Be love.

Be well.
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Once a person is freed from the obscene and ridiculous notion that we must please some particular deity lest we doom our immortal souls to some equally obscene and absurd form of eternal torment, one is freed to turn as many keys as one wants.


Nah, there's no freedom in this scenario.

Once a person chooses not to love, believe and please Almighty God, then they are in bondage to turning the keys of secular and atheistic humanism. And talk about baggage..it's as you say,

(baggage sucks, and the longer you carry it the heavier it gets.)




Belief must be the act of free will. I much prefer the yoke of Christ anyday over the bondage of man.





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Excellent replies all!

I think the concluding comment of Luli is very interesting as it points to how our understanding becomes a obsticle to our practice realization.

The players are "I", "prefer" "yoke" and "bondage".

"I" creates an instant separation, a dual view of reality. The I "prefers" suggesting a discriminating mind at work. This mind discriminates between two concepts it has envisioned: yoke and bondage.

In each case there is mortal error. There is no "I". I is a fiction, a convention of the mechanics of our brain's activity. Just so, "prefer". The moment we 'prefer' this over that, we are not in the moment, the only actual life we have; but rather, in the mental abstractions of our preferences. Yoke and bondage, once again, fabrications of an imagination. We trap ourselves in our ideas about things. The real bondage is our need to continue to trap ourselves.

If you simply love, there is no bondage. If you care there is no yoke. There is just love and care. The moment an "I" is inserted we are advertising and possessing that love or that care. They become wedges in our relationship with our true nature.

Be well.
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Good day, So Daiho,


The I "prefers" suggesting a discriminating mind at work. This mind discriminates between two concepts it has envisioned: yoke and bondage.


Yes, I would agree I have a most discriminating mind. I said, I much prefer the yoke of Christ anyday over the bondage of man.

Here, what's most important. I'm discriminating "prefers" between the object of the word "Yoke" and the object of the word "bondage". In a nutshell..what I was saying to LW, and using her example, is that I much prefer Jesus over man.

In each case there is mortal error. There is no "I". I is a fiction, a convention of the mechanics of our brain's activity.


I don't understand this construct at all. There is very much so an "I". Your forum's title is "Be yourself" Given what you've said here, If there is no "I" than how possible can one BE yourself?

I think the concluding comment of Luli is very interesting as it points to how our understanding becomes a obsticle to our practice realization.


I am being myself when I discriminately much prefer Jesus over man. This understanding is not an obstacle to my practice. As a matter of fact, it drives my practice.



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Luli, You are settling on a most profound point. Excellent. Study thyis "self" you believe you have. Look deeply into it. What is it? Does it change? Is it static? If it changes, at what point is it you?

Zen Buddhists, as others, must use the tools available. These tools are subject the the physiological workings of our human brain which thinks categorically. But because it does, does not mean reality is categorical. We just "think" it is. So we say, "be yourself" yet the self's true nature is not individual, but universal. So, be your own true, universal self. In this sense, there is no individual, independent "self" at all. Just the Infinite. Our brain, however, percceives, and because of its nature, it organizes what it perceives as things separate from other things. But this is more a function of how the brain physically works, than a reflection of reality.

Be well.
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Study thyis "self" you believe you have. Look deeply into it. What is it?


My goal is to become less of "me", "myself" and "I" and more of Jesus. This is practiced through humble belief and love of God and neighbor.
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A bow to you, Lula,

This is the same goal, essentially as all religious practice; to become less of self. To get there, some of us imagine a God or man (Jesus) who exemplifies our aim. And there is the rub. A picture of a God or a Jesus is cast in our mind's eye and to the extent that we need that picture is the extent to which we are separated from the truth of the aim itself.
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This is the same goal, essentially as all religious practice; to become less of self.


Becoming less of self isn't the goal rather the practice that leads to the goal which is Jesus, Truth and God Himself...this I believe can only be accomplished by first becoming less of me, myself and I and humbly loving God and fellow man.

To get there, some of us imagine a God or man (Jesus) who exemplifies our aim. And there is the rub.


As I've already said, the Beatific Vision is my aim. It's my faith not imagination...big difference. I believe that South Africa exists although I've never been there and that Julius Ceasar lived although he died long ago. I accept these truths on the authority of others. And yet, men illogically reject the idea of authority in religion.

Frequently, the same man who accepts the human, fallible, and ever varying authority of an anti-Christian dogmatism, will refuse to assent to divine, infallible, certain and unchanging authority. Isn't this unreasonable? "If we accept the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater" so says Saint John.

According to St.Thomas Aquinas, faith is defined as a supernatural virtue which disposes the mind to assent freely, with certainity, and on the authority of God to all the truths He has revealed. So, faith is essentially an intellectual act.

St.Paul defines this as "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not". When faith is said to be evidence, it is distinguished from opinion, suspicion and doubt, in which the adherance of the intellect to something is unstable. When it's said to be of things that appear not, faith is distinguished from knowledge and understanding by which is thing is apparent. When it's said to be of things to be hoped for, it's distinguished from faith as commonly understood which is not directed to happiness or to the object of hope.

A good will resolutely faces the problems of religion and does not cease its pursuit of truth because the road is beset with difficulties. I've found that many who fail to believe in God, not becasue of intellectual difficulties, but becasue the truth goes counter to their passions, imposes obligatory laws, demands of them great sacrifices, and puts definite limits to their independence.
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The right thing, how measured?


We must turn to our own inner-wisdom, and do what we think is best. We all have different views regarding what is the “right thing”, so it must come from within ourself. Even if we think we're following ancient rules and dogmas, the decision to adhere to them comes from within us. It helps to be open to other views, practices and beliefs, because we might come across something that we had never thought of before, which might strike a chord within our own heart, in which case, we can adopt it, and we will still be turning to our own inner-wisdom.

Our own views on what is the “right thing” change as natural by-product of spiritual growth anyway. The right thing for a 5 year old is different to the right thing for a twenty eight year old. This same principle applies on a larger scale to our spiritual growth, which spans over lifetimes.

At any particular time, we always do the “right thing” anyway, in context with our own particular model of the world, and in context with ‘where we are at’ emotionally, spiritually, and physically. In hindsight we might look upon our behaviour or decisions and conclude that we were "bad", but at the time we did it, it was the right thing to do (for whatever particular reason), otherwise we wouldn't have done it.

Through the eyes of love and grace, (i.e. from a God's eye perspective on things), throughout every moment of eternity everything is “all right”, because God, who is all wise and all loving, is responsible for Everything anyway, ultimately. Whatever we do, we can all afford to relax and be at peace, regardless of 'where we're at', at any particular time. Love redeems all discord and past woes, as we'll discover when we get to the Other Side.
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AndyBaker, I won't comment on your reply. I'll just say it's nice to see you again. You have ever cast your pearls before the swine - something LW understands well. And while I fluctuate between one who sees these pearls and one who is swine, it's still nice to read your point of view.

Namaste
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Hi Ockham, how are you doing?

Thanks, nice to see you too. It's good to have a little banter on JU every now and again. I'll catch you around,

Andy