If Loca cannot stand debate on controversial topics perhaps she should not debate controversial topics. She has said nothing to me on this, and I refuse to be "called out" by proxy. Loca has shown herself perfectly capable of speaking her own mind in the past, and I do not see why she would suddenly be rendered unable to do so.

I will not entertain anymoere discussion on the topic. This thread has been hijacked far enough.

Whatever Gideon. You are throwing a total hissy fit over her.

I'm not her proxy. Just one of your readers who is irritated by the constant reference to Loca in your threads.

You know I like you and consider you a friend. As a friend I am being honest with you. Like I said, do what you want. This is just FYI.

Re: hijacking your thread

You have my phone # and my email address.

OK, TW. Now you are doing what people repeatedly do to LW all the time, falsely.

How far back do you have to go to find an article where I countered loca AT ALL in my threads? I went through the last twenty, and guess what? NONE of them, except this one, were about Loca AT ALL! It's flat out dishonest to accuse me of constantly attacking her in my thread.

So we can count ONE spinoff article in the last twenty? I'd have checked further, but I honestly don't want to spend my night filtering through threads to prove what I already KNOW.

My last article on illegals had nothing to do with countering Loca. It was a damn good article, and, in fact, had Loca read it, I'm sure she would agree. Yes, I have made flip references from time to time, but there is not the pattern of attack that you allege.

Frankly, I'm a little pissed at your insinuation that if Loca says something I disagree with I should treat it entirely different than I do anyone else on this site. I guarantee you, my response would have been the same for almost anyone who posted the same reply.

And again, if Loca has a problem, I DO expect Loca to take it up with me.

Gid if you say I'm mistaken, I believe you. I don't have time to go back over stuff looking for "evidence" since I have a very pressing issue in my home to resolve (we have a dispute over whether today is, in fact, opposite day).

The comments I've seen you make about her have bothered me. I don't think she deserves the ugliness that has been directed at her.

I know you have a problem with me standing up for her, but I would do the same for you were the tables turned. It has nothing to do with anyone's ability or lackthereof to defend themselves. I'm just not willing to sit by and watch a friend get slammed without voicing some dissent.

I've said my piece. You know how I feel. That's as far as I'll take it. Now I've got research the origins of opposite day. Haha.

Look what I missed. Here's what I have to say for myself and thank you for taking up for me, Tex. I appreciate it.



Gid, I think you definately seem to have a problem with me. I try to take it with a grain of salt and not let it bother me. To date you are the only person on JU who has ever blacklisted me. I have never deliberately went after you. I have never written an article directed specifically at you and fomenting the feud. I have written articles about my opinion on an issue. I have never written an article thinking - "ha, ha this will show Gid", the way you seem to do to me.

I think you are oversensitive to the extreme. If I make a statement, that isn't even directed at you, you take great offense and act like I've lobbed the first nuke in WWIII. I have my beliefs and opinions on issues. You have yours. Whatever. But I do think you have been unneccessarily nasty at times. You have called me a bigot, a hypocrite, Cindy Sheehan, left of Mao to name a few that I can remember off the top of my head. And apparently I am also an idol worshipping heathen too. That definately seems like name calling to me.

The fact is that I would rather spend my time on sites and articles that I enjoy. Occassionally, I do enjoy a good debate. Sometimes I feel like it's a pointless waste of time and I am putting unneccesary stress on myself engaging in it.

btw, MY nature LOVES the gays. That's why nature made rainbows to celebrate gay sex. ha.

So you're supposed to be above blacklist, Loca? Anything you do is fair game, and "the mighty Loca" should NEVER be blacklisted because SHE said so? Sorry, I don't play that way! ANd I am truly upset that you would demand that I do.

I'm not debating this on this thread, Loca. I personally resent the "miss innocent" act where you want to believe you're a poor innocent victim. You've played provocateur in a lot of these conflicts, and you KNOW it.

As for THIS article, which should be the topic of THIS discussion, far be it from me to differ with the great and mighty Loca, right? You made a comment on another thread that I had a smartass comment to...and I POSTED said smartass comment. I did not call you out by name, I did not even link the sourse. I simply responded in a smartass manner.

If you don't like me as a blogger, and want nothing to do with me, that is fine. You're perfectly welcome to stay off of my blog. But I am writing what I want to write, what I want to say, and I'm not going to censor that. As for your articles, yes, you are doing the same. If you'll notice, however, I don't patronize your blogs a whole lot anymore. That is why.

This is not some little "friends" club. This is what it is, and it gets quite vile and nasty at times. I still like you as a person, Loca, but I disagree pretty strongly with most of your politics. And if you want to be political, then you'll probably hear it from me.

And THAT comment was perfectly in line with the spirit of this blog. THANK you!

BTW, as to THIS charge.

No, I meant to imply that you've created God in your OWN image, just as many fundies, etc. have. What basis do you have to say that God loves gays? Basically the fact that you WANT Him too (or Her, depending on your personal perspective). The fact is, if you believe in the God of the Torah, the Qu'Ran or the Christian Bible, He's not too keen on the whole idea. So if you believe in that God (as you have, in the past, claimed to), then you have, indeed, reshaped HIM to fit YOUR image (for the record, I can show verses in the Old AND New Testament that back up God's general distaste for homosexuality). NOW, if you want to believe that God is a forgiving God, and a gracious God, and that He is fast to forgive, that's one thing. But to call a vice a virtue is, in fact, another.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

It means exactly what it says, TW, nothing more.

I don't see why my comments towards Loca are such a big focus. Honestly, I don't. I've seen WAY worse. And so have you.

As for harping on someone, I haven't seen you quick to jump up to defend Marcie and Ziggy. They've been a FAR bigger target than Loca. AND I have't seen you chastise LW. She gets quite heated at times as well.

I guess my question is: why am I the focus of all this? NOTHING I have said would even rank in the top 1000 of most outrageous comments on JoeUser.

AND, do I need to even begin to address the feud you had with KFC for so long, TW?

Blogging isn't a friends club? It's vile and nasty?

Please tell me I'm wrong because to me it reads like, FUCK YOU, I don't care about anyone. The most important thing is making my political opinions known and I don't care WHO I hurt.

Please tell me that's not what you mean.

No, these aren't the worst comments I've ever seen. Of course not. I'm not the blogging police.

The reason why I care now is because I consider Loca a friend (I consider you a friend as well, although perhaps the feeling is not mutual) and I don't like seeing her slammed.

What feud?

LOL, if you want to take a public accounting of my flaws, Gid, feel free to do so. I'm definitely not under the impression that I'm some sweet wonderful person who is always right and always nice and always takes the high road.

Go ahead and tear me down if you need to. Chances are, I'll agree with you.

I said it GETS vile and nasty.

I got over worrying what people think quite awhile ago, Tex. You simply cannot please anyone, no matter how you try. Call it a "fuck you", I call it honesty. Honesty that apparently I don't get the right to exercise.

You consider Loca a friend. I understand that. I accept that. I consider you a friend as well. 80% of the people I would have just ignored long ago, and I think you know that. But if Loca is going to offer an opinion, I feel free to offer my opinion.

As for the differences between you and KFC, you may not have seen a feud, but I saw you attack KFC on post after post after post when she came here. To the point where it was, frankly, pissing me off. And unlike mine, yours WERE happening with alarming frequency. You may not have seen it, but I find it interesting we see other's faults more quickly than we do our own. I'm not trying to get into a comparison here, TW, just pointing out you have your "hot button" issues as well.

But you still haven't addressed the points about Marcie and Ziggy. Why weren't you there to defend them? Or Lucas, for that matter, when we collectively pissed all over his proposal? And again, why does LW get a pass and I don't? Why am I expected to be "Mr. nice guy" all the time?

These are honest questions, TW. I don't see why you're holding me to such a high level of accountability.

I don't care who rips into Lucas or Ziggy.

I think you misunderstand me.

I don't hold you to a higher standard or expect you to treat everyone gently. I only defend those I feel worthy of my defense. I don't expect you to be Mr. Nice Guy.

I like Loca. I like her a lot. And I think you have her pegged completely wrong. Having actually met her, I can guarantee you that a lot of the motives you are pinning on her simply aren't there. She is just not like that.

You can be pissed off over me talking shit to KFC all you want. You may be all friendly with her, but 90% of the time she disgusts me, as she does most people who encounter her on JU.

Like I said, feel free to take a public accounting of my flaws. I have many. I have never pretended to be above the fray or someone who makes nice with everyone. I am also not held to any sort of religious code of conduct. It may not always be pretty, but I am who I am.

I'm not demanding anything. I'm just stating you are the ONLY person who has taken so much offense to me stating my opinion as to blacklist me. I am not an ugly, vindictive person. If I were such a provacateur, wouldn't someone besides you have blacklisted me before now.



I've never said i was a poor victim.



That's my personal belief.



And to me that means that the person who wrote that may have been inspired by God but wrote to the times and society that they lived in. There are many practices that were condoned in the Bible that we do not think are right today such as polygamy, slavery, etc. The bible says that a woman and man should be stoned to death if they have sex while the woman is having her period. People used the Bible to justify segregation and opposition to inter-ractial marriage.

And I can show you where in the Bible it says. "Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." or "Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," The emphasis is mine.

I'll leave it at that for tonight.

You're letting your emotions sway your opinions, TW. That's my point.

I have no problem with your issues with KFC. None at all. They are between you and her. And yes, I like KFC.

As for Loca, you may think all you want. Why didn't you castigate LW for her comments against Loca? You know, when the whole thing was in full swing, LW had her share to say, too. I'm getting cast as the bad guy here, and frankly, I think it's a bunch of bullshit, plain and simple.

No, honestly, I don't give a fuck what people think of me anymore, TW. Three years in Lefors, Texas have taught me that people's opinions don't mean jack shit, if they've taught me anything. If you think that makes me a lesser person, so be it.

It never says God approves of the sin.



It's speaking specifically to the body of Christ.

You're taking two verses wildly out of context, and that's my point. If that's your view of God, hey, more power to you. But it's also fair to say if that's your view of God, you ARE shaping God around who YOU want Him to be...ie, making Him in your own image.

Which, I will say in all fairness, many people of ALL faiths do. It's not unique to you.



LW doesn't blacklist anyone.

OK, so you've decided I'm the jackass. Then stay the fuck off my blogs. And I'll stay off of yours. That's a problem easily enough solved.

You won't admit any culpability in all of this. That means, by definition, you ARE playing the innocent victim!

Umm, don't we all?

As far as LW making comments against Loca, I don't guess I've seen everything that's gone down lately. You think I don't think LW is a bad guy? LOL. Of course she says things I don't like sometimes. If I feel so inclined I tell her so.

If you think I'm biased and inconsistent it's only because I am.

I think you are trying to find a polite way to tell me to fuck off and you don't care what I think or how I feel. If that's the case...ok. I doesn't make me think less of you so much as it makes me feel really sad for you that you've come to the point that ideas are more important than people.

Anyways, we can scuffle and be cross with each other and I'm still going to like you once I get over being mad atcha. That's just how I roll.

BTW, I didn't mean to turn this into a big debate. All I intended was to go on the record as not liking the way you have been talking about Locamama. That's all.

Nope. If I were telling you to fuck off, I'm perfectly capable of doing so.

You and I just see Loca differently, that's all. Wouldn't be the first time we shared different perspectives.

LW: your hats, your head and your hands are getting worn out and tired.   

LOL TA

What kinda bugs me is so few saw the deliberate lightheartedness of this. I could have approached it so many different ways, but I thought invoking Rain Man as well as Colt, Smith, and Wesson (I have never in my life ownbed a gun!) was pretty damned funny. At least singr got the "Wapner" joke!

As to attacking, I did not mention the name of the blogger OR the name of the thread. I'd think if I chose to attack, I could have done it better than that.

D'oh!